TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.09

Cogito Ergo Sum (2) - Benmage, Llamarble
Llamarble (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Captain Falcon
Nachomamma8 (2) - singersigner, Zachrulez
Zachrulez (2) - Nachomamma8, Bub Bidderskins
Benmage (1) - Johhog
Matias (1) - SocioPath
singersigner (1) - Matias

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, June 3, 2012, at 7:08 PM EDT (UTC-4).

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

He was making up bullshit reasoning in order to make Ben look like a liar after he said he didn't call TSQ scum. I find that scummy.

You pretty much acknowledged that there were problems with what benmage was saying and stated that your problem was with what he chose to focus on (i.e. red text) which doesn't strike me as the sort of thing that'd be dependent on alignment.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Anyway, all aboard the Llamarblewagon.

[Matias]

Unvote

while I sort out the last few pages

I'm back by the way

[Zachrulez]

He was making up bullshit reasoning in order to make Ben look like a liar after he said he didn't call TSQ scum. I find that scummy.

It's scummy that I'm confused about why he listed TSQ in red in a color coded reads list when he insisted (later) that wasn't what he was doing?

If that post had never been called into question, would you have interpreted TSQ in red as being anything BUT a scumread? (The issue here is vagueness in reads, not Benmage being a "liar.")

I'm having a really hard time seeing this line of attack coming from a town perspective.

[Johhog]

I gotta say that I agree with Zach on this one.

Unlike him I do however think that Ben denying this makes him scummy as he's trying to avoid responsibility for his TSQ-read.

[Llamarble]

I HAVE RETURNED.
If anybody actually thinks I was lurking tactically, I am happy to provide a list of the things I've done in the last 10 days.

Why do you feel the need to offer that?

Maybe this?

Sorry about not posting. I've been following the game, but I don't really have much to say when my number 1 scumread right now is lurking. Do you hear that Llmarble? Get the fuck in here.

Or possibly something from another game and I got mixed up.

[Nachomamma8]

You pretty much acknowledged that there were problems with what benmage was saying and stated that your problem was with what he chose to focus on (i.e. red text) which doesn't strike me as the sort of thing that'd be dependent on alignment.

There was a problem with Benmage's post. It wasn't the red text. It had nothing to do with red text. It's like saying a post is scummy because the grammar is wrong: the post might still be scummy, but the reasoning is blatantly wrong.

It's scummy that I'm confused about why he listed TSQ in red in a color coded reads list when he insisted (later) that wasn't what he was doing?

If that post had never been called into question, would you have interpreted TSQ in red as being anything BUT a scumread? (The issue here is vagueness in reads, not Benmage being a "liar.")

I'm having a really hard time seeing this line of attack coming from a town perspective.

He insisted later that TSQ wasn't a scumread, not that he didn't color TSQ's name red.
If that post had never been called into question, then I would have interpreted TSQ in red UNDER THE TITLE REMAINDERS as not a townread.

I gotta say that I agree with Zach on this one.

Unlike him I do however think that Ben denying this makes him scummy as he's trying to avoid responsibility for his TSQ-read.

So you'd have no problem with Ben's post if it wasn't color-coded?

[Nachomamma8]

Also on the OMGUS issue, I was voting TSQ most of the first day phase, and I haven't backed off on calling the slot scum... so OMGUS... right.

Seriously Bub... if you are town here, this is why you lose games.

welp, Bub's town.

This is faulty logic and continues on the path of no one really explaining why Bub is town.

Are you basing this comment on the fact that you think Zach is scum?

I think he's trying to say it's a scum slip on my part.

I already gave my reasoning to this.
Why did you ignore it?
Wait, that's all you've been doing with my posts. Right.

[Nachomamma8]

For Zach:

Why do you think that I'm scum?

Why do you think that I'm scum?

Why do you think that I'm scum?

Why do you think that I'm scum?

Why do you think that I'm scum?

[Benmage]

Anyway, all aboard the Llamarblewagon.

But I'm already voting scum.

And voting town isn't counterproductive to my wc.

[Benmage]

Is **

[Zachrulez]

He insisted later that TSQ wasn't a scumread, not that he didn't color TSQ's name red.
If that post had never been called into question, then I would have interpreted TSQ in red UNDER THE TITLE REMAINDERS as not a townread.

Ah huh.

Also I'm deliberately not answering 948. (A read of my play clearly answers the question already.)

[Nachomamma8]

He insisted later that TSQ wasn't a scumread, not that he didn't color TSQ's name red.
If that post had never been called into question, then I would have interpreted TSQ in red UNDER THE TITLE REMAINDERS as not a townread.

Ah huh.

Also I'm deliberately not answering 948. (A read of my play clearly answers the question already.)

so basically
TSQ and because you can't see how anyone could attack you from a town perspective?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Anyway, all aboard the Llamarblewagon.

But I'm already voting scum.

And voting town isn't counterproductive to my wc.

Your entire play here is counterproductive to a town win condition, so I'm sure you can spare us a vote.

[Zachrulez]

He insisted later that TSQ wasn't a scumread, not that he didn't color TSQ's name red.
If that post had never been called into question, then I would have interpreted TSQ in red UNDER THE TITLE REMAINDERS as not a townread.

Ah huh.

Also I'm deliberately not answering 948. (A read of my play clearly answers the question already.)

so basically
TSQ and because you can't see how anyone could attack you from a town perspective?

Because your points against me are just utter crap that scream of scum looking to mislynch a player that any reasonable person would read as town. (Kinda like Amrun yesterday.)

[Zachrulez]

Anyway, all aboard the Llamarblewagon.

Oh right.

Unvote: Vote Llamarble

[Zachrulez]

Though I do agree with wondering why Llamarble felt the need to specify that he could provide "proof" of his absence...

Less bothered by that than I am the sheer emptiness of his play today.

[Nachomamma8]

He insisted later that TSQ wasn't a scumread, not that he didn't color TSQ's name red.
If that post had never been called into question, then I would have interpreted TSQ in red UNDER THE TITLE REMAINDERS as not a townread.

Ah huh.

Also I'm deliberately not answering 948. (A read of my play clearly answers the question already.)

so basically
TSQ and because you can't see how anyone could attack you from a town perspective?

Because your points against me are just utter crap that scream of scum looking to mislynch a player that any reasonable person would read as town. (Kinda like Amrun yesterday.)

(then why didn't you attack anyone on Amrun's wagon yesterday...?)

[Llamarble]

My play has been empty today because I have had very little time for this game.
I'm catching up / rereading how we got from 4 3 vote wagons to a lynch yesterday right now.
Also CES town sitting his vote basically the entire game on people who simply have not been present to respond does not compute.

[Llamarble]

I'd rather hear from Llamarble first before I make judgment on him.

I've heard a lot in the silence that has been coming from him since the end of day 1.

This was probably what I was thinking about when I said I could account for my time, ftr

[Zachrulez]

He insisted later that TSQ wasn't a scumread, not that he didn't color TSQ's name red.
If that post had never been called into question, then I would have interpreted TSQ in red UNDER THE TITLE REMAINDERS as not a townread.

Ah huh.

Also I'm deliberately not answering 948. (A read of my play clearly answers the question already.)

so basically
TSQ and because you can't see how anyone could attack you from a town perspective?

Because your points against me are just utter crap that scream of scum looking to mislynch a player that any reasonable person would read as town. (Kinda like Amrun yesterday.)

(then why didn't you attack anyone on Amrun's wagon yesterday...?)

I figured I would need to clarify immediately after saying that. I was alluding to the precedent of a terrible lynch on a player people shouldn't have even been thinking about lynching, not that I thought it was heavily scum pushed. I think you're seizing on the fact that the town might possibly be willing to do that again.

[Zachrulez]

My play has been empty today because I have had very little time for this game.
I'm catching up / rereading how we got from 4 3 vote wagons to a lynch yesterday right now.
Also CES town sitting his vote basically the entire game on people who simply have not been present to respond does not compute.

You're saying he was expecting you to be inactive? Because that's a pretty ridiculous accusation to make really.

[Zachrulez]

Nacho's activity level looks high compared to Nacho scum.
I like his catch up.
I think CES is a good chunk more likely to be scum than Zach though.
VOTE: CES

I'm going to look at Amrun's wagon though. CES wasn't on it.

Also last year I killed IPie Because he was obvtown and wrongly listed me as town and I didn't want to give him a chance to change his mind. There are a lot of possible reasons for Regfan to die and I'm going to reread his / Amrun's arguments.

Your statement about wanting to look at the Amrun wagon indicates you think most of the scum were on it. Is that what you think and if so who are they?

Also if you think that your vote is clearly in the wrong place cause only two scumlynches are needed to win.

[Llamarble]

My play has been empty today because I have had very little time for this game.
I'm catching up / rereading how we got from 4 3 vote wagons to a lynch yesterday right now.
Also CES town sitting his vote basically the entire game on people who simply have not been present to respond does not compute.

You're saying he was expecting you to be inactive? Because that's a pretty ridiculous accusation to make really.

I'm saying I expect him to do something productive in the meantime, or have a read that changes ever.
His D2 play is pretty much sitting his vote on me and arguing that the NK points to me.