TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[Slaxx]

Delta Pere and Poro are the scumteam btw.

[GreyICE]

Yeah 950 is blatant distancing. It really fucking is. Look how firmly and strongly he comes out for it, and how quickly he gives up on it. Poro could have spent the entire day whining about MoS's play. It's not like his play has been good at any point. So why is Poro now doing other things.

You know what? Fuck it. Unless you derps let MoS live to endgame (don't) this is fine. Poro needs to die.

vote: Porochaz

[GreyICE]

So the real question here is: Is Glork a good enough player that people would kill him on principle, as opposed to just killing him if he suspected them?

Who does MoS respect in this town? He has done his best to character assassinate me, and he respects only Glork. Sheep Glork to not get his attention, shoot him. Then try to run the town. Obv scumbag.

[Slaxx]

Delta's ISO:

Alone:

Sat on a Haylen vote all day. Go back to Glor's ISO. He had the right idea.
He sits on all four of his scum reads the whole first day, scum reads that just happen to be the best prospects for an easy lynch at that time, and never gives any reasoning.

In regards to Pere:

Answers one question by Pere. Has him as #4 town in his reads list. Why? We don't know its never explained.

And thats it. One question answered.

As a comparison: He's associated with me once, Grey a good 6 or 7 times, UN twice, CoolDog, Glork, and Leela more than I feel like counting.

By far nowhere near enough commentary or association, especially to have him that high up on the list.

In regards to Poro:

Soft defense of Poro in #575
"Let me decide if I want to bus or not"- #1008

Look at the aggressiveness he displays when voting Glork. You can tell Delta really wants Glork lynched....but where's that push on Poro? Where is he when the troops need to be corralled to string up Poro? Nowhere. He sits on the fucking vote and continues picking one on ones with the other players in the game, mentioning once that Poro is totally the lynch for the day, and when confronted but not without such confrontation, gives justification for his vote. Its a demonhybrid-style bus. Get on early, stay on, profit from town cred.

Poro's ISO:

Alone:

Grey's got this part covered. He's been on top of it so far, but he's wrong about MoS as a partner.

In regards to Delta:

Lets see how many times Poro says Delta is scummy but doesn't vote him:

1: #393: "Deltawave is starting to look like he's active lurking but... as I said before we are 3 days in... also lurking doesn't really mean much to me."
2: #619: "Then we move onto the Deltawave vote, and you have redeemed yourself somewhat with that vote. It's like you have suddenly managed to sink your teeth into something thats not shit. I am interested in how that argument goes. Will be looking closer at deltawave in the coming days."

Counting intermission: I don't know what #776 by Poro even is but its scummy as fuck. Its like he felt forced to comment on the argument but had no idea what to say the whole post.

3: #779: "Deltawave took too long to move on, but Im not convinced of alignment."
4: #859: "Actually, we are 4 days from deadline. We have two camps and god knows how many times I've seen a deadline lynch happen on someone that isn't the two options available. Basically you have Haylen or Deltawave. Now you are really pro-Haylen lynch and Glork, lets say is really pro-Delta lynch but we are approaching deadline, neither of you want to jump ship (you especially because, you know, you'd be breaking your rule of not saying anything original), hey presto, I offer the alternative."- Trying to get people off Delta before deadline.

5: #998: "I figure that I should keep on with the uberninja wagon, although I now have problems with it. But the pro's outweigh the cons here. vote uberninja

(I am referring to Deltawave here as a pro)"

6 #1015 (trying to set up a Delta-town facade once UN flips town): "It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way. I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him"

So 6. 6 times. Are we done yet? Fuck no we ain't, this is a slaxx wall motherfuckers.

Regarding Pere:

The only thing here besides one exchange between the two is his shit post in #950, which I have already explained.

Pere's ISO

Alone:

He's done shitall as far as progressive posting goes, all he is doing is asking empty questions.

In regards to Delta:

Fun fact: Out of all the questions Pere asked, he has only asked why someone is voting someone else once? Do you know who was being voted? why Delta of course (#1139)...and before you ask, I ctrl+f'ed "why" and clicked through fourty entries. So yes. He is the only one. Unless Pere didn't use why then this is solid.

He calls Delta town multiple times, but his reasoning is "I find him town in his arguments". Well, Ok. Pretty shitty explanation for someone so engrossed in the why's of this game.

In regards to Poro:

Admittedly, there isn't much here.



Summary: Delta and Poro are scum together with Pere as the most possible third I am aware of right now. I'd take that shit to the bank.

Now fucking sheep me fuckers.

[Slaxx]

Now if Porochaz and Delta aren't both strung up the next two days, then fuck you all.

Not to be that guy, but Glork died last night and he had it out for Delta.

Is that enough to make a case alone? No. But man, it sure is the fucking buttercream icing on the motherfucking awesomeslaxxcase flavored cake i just baked you guys.

[Slaxx]

By the way guys, I mean it.

If Poro flips scum, you guys fucking lynch Delta tomorrow if I'm not around. No bullshitting. You can talk, take your time, and discuss shit, but at the end of the day his neck will be in a noose.

.

[Porochaz]

Sigh... I've been deliberately avoiding this game, I'm not sure the last time so many things I hate about the game have been together.

First, you have the guy who is deliberately obnoxious. You know initially, I thought it was me, after you said it. That I was just a prick. I already know I'm self-righteous and I also know that sometimes I can't tell the line between bad play and scummy play but you know something? At least I try and play with a modicum of respect for the other players and realise that people come here primarily to have some fun. I don't know what the fuck you come here for GreyICE but congratulations. You have almost single handedly made this game as miserable as possible for me. Not just because your general attitude but the fact that you "must" be right about everything. Like Haylen... oh wait...

Now that I have what is going to be called an "AtE" out of the way let me move onto Uberninja. Like, I have no idea what it is, but you are just so frustratingly bad at this game. I mean, fine, find me scummy if you like but at least tell me why and be open to change, your opinions. And hey, try having an original thought for once. You pick out the thoughts of others and hump them to death without bloody adding anything new. You ignore and filter out things that you don't like and somehow you have been allowed to get away with this.

So thats my hissy fit, the point being that these two people aren't the problem with the game. Its most of the rest of the fucking lot of you, who have just decided to apparently s(l)heep, and just agree with the most obnoxious and the loudest. Because to do anything else would be a hassle. Hell, do any of you actually know why you are actually lynching me?

Because I don't.

I have asked for an explanation at least twice and here is the case I have gathered on me.

1. I make a case and vote for Uberninja Day 1
2. I make a case and vote for MoS Day 2
3. MoS makes a case and votes for UN (steps 2 and 3 might be mixed up)
4. I go back to my day 1 vote on UN.

I am really REALLY struggling here to know what is scummy about this. MoS's affiliation or case has absolutely FUCK all to do with my case on UN. I found them both scummy, which I am allowed to do and I am allowed to place my vote where I deem my case to be strongest. You all seem to be playing this game like you have all found the entire scumteam. Whilst this is in my mind, I am open to the fact that there could be multiple possibilities in that regard. So yes, that does mean that I would change from a wagon on MoS to a wagon with MoS.

So I'm really proud of myself right now for making this post. (not) This is the kind of post I hate seeing. Someone throwing their toys out of the pram because things didn't go their way. However, after 5 years on this site - and being made to feel like shit and being made to deal with post that have no rhyme or reason to them and then making posts to people like Uberninja who don't even have the fucking courtesy to read them (Because you know, you don't sign up to actually play the game when you say /in) - I am going to allow myself this one. But god, some of you guys have just frustrated me so much - you know something, if GreyICE is scum, you lost page 1. Because you are all going to follow him to your grave. But hey, at least when that happens, at least he deserves to win because he at least, despite being horrible about it, played the game.

Anyway, you'll want my claim.

Tracker. Tracked UN night 1, he went nowhere. Thats why I was looking for other possibilities. When he kept being scummy, I decided he was worth the vote.

[DeltaWave]

Realistically I'm going to have to give up on catching up because the deadline is so close and I know that I won't have time to read all that shit. So if anything really needs my attention in the last few pages, let me know.

Slaxx what are you smoking when you say that I never gave reasoning for my scum reads? I did a shitload of times.

p-edit: Will review this wall of text in a bit

[Slaxx]

Lol

This is why I took a break from mafia.

I just spent hours on that and now my confidence in it has been knocked down significantly.

I'm not voting a claimed tracker today. I'm pretty sure he has at least one more night ahead of him.

So, now, do I want to vote Delta Wave? He's scummy on his own. If Poro really is town, I've got a read wrong somewhere.

Poro was the crux of the pere/poro/delta team, without him as scum this falls apart. I've got some mulling over to do.

[Slaxx]

No. You did later in the game but you sat on those four initial vote options long enough to make me feel fairly uncomfortable.

[DeltaWave]

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure that Poro is scummy enough to lynch in the face of a PR claim.

Thinking more about MOS.

Slaxx: What are your opinions on Murasa then? Murasa gave almost no reasoning other than "listen to me guys!" "I know Haylen is town!" kind of stuff.

[UberNinja]

I have read GreyICE's posts. He has convinced me.
I have read Slaxx's posts. He has won my heart.

Vote: Porochaz

[Porochaz]

Slaxx, those 6 points where "I call Delta scummy but don't vote" - I don't think any of them I actually mean to make a point of saying delta is scummy. (look at me, trying to make a normal post)

1. Minor thing, so much so, I pass it by with only a mention and a reason why I do not find it a tell.
2. I was talking more about Glork and his interactions there rather than Deltawave. Glork actually got into that case more than his previous vote was my point.
3. I think that actively states I don't know what I think rather than calling him scummy.
4. Im talking to UN about a possibility of a third wagon. That actively states that I am not a fan of a delta wagon. Everything there about Delta is quite clearly a hypothetical anyway.
5. You could argue this one. However I have already made my view clear about why un was a better vote than dw.
6. Ok I will give you this one. But only because I think they are looking out for each other and I can't see why town would do that to the extent they did. I felt that UN was doing this more than DW which made him naturally more scummy. But I was struggling to convey that so gave a very shit answer.

So 1 and a half.

[Slaxx]

unvote

for now. grey needs to get in here asap and we need to see his opinion.

Delta, captain is bad. I had her in null the whole game...if Poro is tracker, she's probably scum.

In fact, I havent been paying nearly enough attention to that slot.

[Porochaz]

I have read GreyICE's posts. He has convinced me.
I have read Slaxx's posts. He has won my heart.

Vote: Porochaz

This is the exact kind of thing I'm talking about. I mean the votes not unexpected but I am struggling to cope with the fact that some of you are ignoring the fact that he doesn't play the game, only gets dragged around on coat-tails.

[Slaxx]

Oh he has been sheeping, but I've explained my town read on him.

Its not the votes or the cases, its the subtleties in his play that I feel are strongly town.

I'm a little shooken up now to be honest, that was the most sure I've been about a case in a long while. I' not for sure where to go from here, and the deadline being tomorrow doesn't help.

[UberNinja]

Well, we gotta lynch

someone

.

[DeltaWave]

Here's what I'm thinking.

The case on Poro is that he was distancing from MoS.

MoS is scummy.

Therefore: VOTE: MoS

This lynch has a high chance of hitting scum while lending some credence to Poro's claim at the same time.

[Slaxx]

Reg's got completely different reads.

He's saying IAm/Cooldog/Leela. But they're all really weak scum reads.

I don't particularly like any of those.

We aren't lynching Poro today.
We aren't lynching Grey, Jason, UN, or me.
That leaves Delta, IAm, Cooldog, Pere, Leela, and MoS.

I've got Reg telling me that I'm really wrong on Pere. Idk. Idk if I've played with Pere before.

My reads are totally fucked up right now and to be completely honest, I have no clue what to do and at this point I'm not for sure I even care as long as its within those six.

I'm not comfortable on the IAm lynch yet. I can't explain it today either, which sucks, because it'll lead to a fuckton of wifom.

So CoolDog, Leela, MoS, Delta. Those are my choices.

[DeltaWave]

Slaxx: How about MoS?

[UberNinja]

Here's what I'm thinking.

The case on Poro is that he was distancing from MoS.

MoS is scummy.

Therefore: VOTE: MoS

This lynch has a high chance of hitting scum while lending some credence to Poro's claim at the same time.

Therefore, shut the fuck up and vote Porochaz, you waste of skin.

Stop purposely being dissonant, and if you're town you'd better fucking contribute and go along with shit, or I will personally see you dead. My town read on you has been wearing thinner and thinner, and it's not going to stretch forever.

[hasdgfas]

Porochaz(2): GreyICE, UberNinja
UberNinja(2): CooLDoG, Porochaz
Mastermind of Sin(2): PeregrineV, DeltaWave
PeregrineV(1): iamausername
DeltaWave(1): Captain Leela
iamausername(1): Mastermind of Sin



Not Voting: jasonT1981, Slaxx
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is June 2nd. This is two days from now.

[PeregrineV]

@CaptLeela- My team has you as town, and wants me to quit arguing with you. I didn't think it was arguing, but since we have you as town, they want I should move on.

@Uber- Can you explain your desire to lynch a PR? Do you think he's lying, or do you just not care?

@Slaxx- I can't remember if we played together before. I get, kind of, using PoE this early in the game, but do you have any pro-active reasons why you would pick one of the four over the other three (1293).

Team reads update-
CoolDog stock going towards scum (25% null/75% scum)
Slaxx stock neutral (50% town/50% scum)
MoS stock steady (25%town/50% null/25% scum)

[iamausername]

UNVOTE: PeregrineV
VOTE: DeltaWave

Can we do this now?

[DeltaWave]

Here's what I'm thinking.

The case on Poro is that he was distancing from MoS.

MoS is scummy.

Therefore: VOTE: MoS

This lynch has a high chance of hitting scum while lending some credence to Poro's claim at the same time.

Therefore, shut the fuck up and vote Porochaz, you waste of skin.

Stop purposely being dissonant, and if you're town you'd better fucking contribute and go along with shit, or I will personally see you dead. My town read on you has been wearing thinner and thinner, and it's not going to stretch forever.

Im not permanently opposed to a poro lynch. Tell me why I should disregard the pr claim.