TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

It means scum killed Regfan for different reasons.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't know. I can see that the scumkill makes sense from Llama's perspective. But if you're killing Reg for his reads, why kill him if he's right about 1/3?

[Johhog]

The notion that Regfan'd get nightkilled while being wrong about all of you, Llamarble and benmage is silly, Nacho.

Can't we just stop the NK analysis? It's WIFOMy as fuck and I can't see us benefiting from it at all.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

We probably should. It's how the previous White Flag was lost and it seems awfully unfair of us to not let the scum kill indiscriminately. (Hint: town generally doesn't do better than random lynchingwise in mountainous because of the ability on the scum's part to kill the right part.)

I don't know. I can see that the scumkill makes sense from Llama's perspective. But if you're killing Reg for his reads, why kill him if he's right about 1/3?

If Llama is scum and benmage is town, he wouldn't be?

[singersigner]

Regfan was townie as fuck and obvious at that. There wasn't a single person to my recollection that was even suspicious of him. He was the obvious NK from that level, but I don't think dismissing the fact that it could've meant something other than that is a good idea, and certainly not wifom-y. The fact that Nacho and Llama still think it's to "frame" them, and not because they're entirely scummy outside of that, is seriously reaching (Nacho more than Llama, but let's be real here, I'm semi-compromising on Llama to get people to lynch the fuck out of Nacho tomorrow).

@Llamarble...you explained why you killed Pie last year...why did you kill Socio N1?

[singersigner]

Er...that kind of didn't make sense...

I mean that attributing the NK to "obv frame" is a weak defense considering how scummy both of you have been independently of that.

I'm also bored and feel like we should just fucking lynch one of Llamarble or Nacho already (maybe Benmage but that's a stretch considering both Llamarble and Nacho are on his wagon right now). Deadline is...tomorrow. ;_; Johhog, Zach, come to the dark side and have ALL OF THE LYNCHES!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

We have cookies.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.16

Benmage (4) - Johhog, Llamarble, Zachrulez, Nachomamma8
Llamarble (4) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Captain Falcon, singersigner, Bub Bidderskins
Bub Bidderskins (1) - SocioPath
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Benmage

Not Voting (1) - Matias

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, June 3, 2012, at 7:08 PM EDT (UTC-4).

[Matias]

Waiting for llamarble to answer singers question. Im going to the city today, so I wont be on much. Right now, if its between llamarble and benmage, Im still for a benmage lynch, I dont really have many other suspects at this point, other than socio being weird (Johhog kind of redeemed himself as of late)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Zach, as it stands, Benmage won't be lynched without Nacho, 'marble and Sociopath uniting. Llamarble doesn't look like he's bussing nor does Nacho, although to a lesser extent. Make the right call.

[SocioPath]

Socio, I'm also not sure why you backed off on your read on me. It feels fake because of that.

This statement is dumb and wrong.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Benmage or 'marble, Socio. Pick a side.

[Llamarble]

We killed Socio last year because there was no way he was getting lynched and he was running things / had driven the lynch on DGB.
I'm not sure him wanting to lynch me/Mith even factored into it, though it may have and I am not going to go check.
The same thought process would still probably have me killing Regfan this game anyway though, so sure that kill would make sense from me, but I think it also is the most likely kill from pretty much everyone else.
Benmage and CES weren't on Regfan's DON'T LYNCH THESE PEOPLE list; they were in the lukewarm area.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If I were scum with benmage and Nacho and you were both town, I'd probably have pushed for a kill among {Matias, Zachrulez}. If you have a strong player like Regfan who looks like he's going to be pushing mislynches for you, why wouldn't you let him?

[Llamarble]

A Matias or Zach lynch is more conceivable than a Regfan lynch, and Regfan is one of the few people with enough clout to get somebody like you lynched.
Also Regfan was wrong about his top scumread yesterday, so it's fairly likely he'd have rethought things.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

A Matias or Zach lynch is more conceivable than a Regfan lynch, and Regfan is one of the few people with enough clout to get somebody like you lynched.

I think you're ignoring the Regfanparanoia angle.

Also Regfan was wrong about his top scumread yesterday, so it's fairly likely he'd have rethought things.

Being wrong about people is just part of the game. Especially on Day 1.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Llamarble, question: you've kept your vote on me for significant periods of time - what was it supposed to accomplish?

Could you answer this question now, 'marble?

[Llamarble]

I was trying to lynch you, obviously.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I've attacked and annoyed a lot of different people including hard to lynch don't-want-them-after-you players like CES.

P.S. this presumes that I'm town, which is weird if I'm your #1 suspect.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I was trying to lynch you, obviously.

And yet you've made 2 arguments now in which you implicitly acknowledged that that was never going to happen.

[Zachrulez]

Argh

Unvote: Vote: Llamarble

[Zachrulez]

Zach, as it stands, Benmage won't be lynched without Nacho, 'marble and Sociopath uniting. Llamarble doesn't look like he's bussing nor does Nacho, although to a lesser extent. Make the right call.

I think I actually would have had a pretty good chance of getting it, but I've got some cold feet regarding it now for various reasons. (1100 has some to do with it, the players on the wagon have some as well.)

[Johhog]

Please note that Llamarble now is at L-1.

I still don't like this. I will not vote Llamarble if I don't have to because of an approaching deadline. Benmage isn't even trying, pressing his "I would never lurk as scum" agenda while the case on Llamarble is weak at best.

[Llamarble]

I've attacked and annoyed a lot of different people including hard to lynch don't-want-them-after-you players like CES.

P.S. this presumes that I'm town, which is weird if I'm your #1 suspect.

I am arguing that I am not scum. The people I have attacked have been uncharacteristic choices for scum.
You should know that.

I was trying to lynch you, obviously.

And yet you've made 2 arguments now in which you implicitly acknowledged that that was never going to happen.

It's not happening :today:
I normally think of my ability to make lynches happen as stronger than anyone's ability not to get lynched because that's who I am.
I haven't had as much time as I'd have liked for this game.

[Llamarble]

Zach you just put me in Benmage-hammer-range.
Please unvote and reread me some.
Just because Benmage says he doesn't think lurking is awesome scum strategy doesn't mean he wasn't scum and got lazy knowing he would have that business as justification. Lurking as town is INFINITELY lamer than lurking as scum, so him saying he finds lurking as scum lame does not make it more likely that he is town given his lurking.