TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!

[DeasVail]

Zar:

Since you have started attacking my reads, how does my posting in response compare to:

a) What you'd expect from scum?
b) What you'd expect from town?

I'd expect a player of any alignment to argue against their own lynch by any means available.

I also don't really understand the question (I'm pledging ESL). Are you asking me whether your responses make me see you more likely to be scum or town?

Sorry. What I meant was, since you started attacking my reads, have you thought about whether my posting since then has been more likely to come from town or scum?

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 3, Votecount 5

theamatuer (1) - Kublai Khan

Kublai Khan (3) - MagnaofIllusion, Zar, T-Bone

Zar (1) - DeasVail
T-Bone (1) - hitogoroshi

Not voting

(5): xRECKONERx, BBmolla, theamatuer

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch.

Deadline:

June 13th at 7:12 PM (EDT)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-06-13 19:12:13)

[xRECKONERx]

Anyone object to me using my secret vote and hammering KK whenever we're ready to end the day?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Anyone object to me using my secret vote and hammering KK whenever we're ready to end the day?

Nope, not at all.

I think the only thing we are perhaps waiting on is for BBMolla to get his reads realigned.

[DeasVail]

Anyone object to me using my secret vote and hammering KK whenever we're ready to end the day?

I obviously do.

[Kublai Khan]

I do too, obviously.

Zar makes a good point in Post 699.

unvote

vote: BBmolla

[MagnaofIllusion]

I do too, obviously.

Zar makes a good point in Post 699.

unvote

vote: BBmolla

Hey look ... I'll make a vote with the only reasoning being someone else's post. So much for my well established TheAm case that I've parked my vote on for 2 days. Oh that's right ... said case doesn't exist.

Obv scum is obv!

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[DeasVail]

Can you all please reconsider KK?

[DeasVail]

I do too, obviously.

Zar makes a good point in Post 699.

unvote

vote: BBmolla

Why not T-Bone or Zar?

[Kublai Khan]

Why not T-Bone or Zar?

T-Bone I'm still convinced is town.

Zar is possible.. There is something shifty about his posts. But I think it's much likelier that BBmolla is scum.

The coinflip move is scummy as hell. If someone is town and has to make a decision to award a PR, they will give it to their towniest read. *IF* it's absolutely even, then you give it to the stronger player (or have some other metric to differentiate). Quilford is strong-town, stronger-town that MagnaofIllusion.
Coinflipping signals that he doesn't care because he isn't town.

Beyond that he's given very few reads, very few reasons for those reads, and since Magua flipped town, he's already announced that all previous reads are null.

So yeah, he needs voting pressure at this point.

[DeasVail]

I disagree that the coinflip move was scummy. It's easy for scum to come up with a reason why they chose one over the other, and I could see town doing what Molla says he did.

I don't think Molla is a bad vote, but I don't like that reason.

[theamatuer]

I'm kindof nullish about KK, about 55/45 leaning town.
Anyways, it might be possible that scum is not in our group, given some circumstances.
Lets see the playerlist.

xRECKONERx- given a PR already.
MagnaofIllusion-town
BBmolla - in the group
Kublai Khan-hito assumes scum
T-Bone-Null
theamatuer- in the group
DeasVail-null
Zar-hito thinks scum if magua scum, not gonna choose for him obv
hitogoroshi- in the group
quilford-town
magua-in the group, also hito thinks as scum

Scum already know that Hito is in charge of our group, through either POE or a direct scum already in the group. Hito at D2 specially stated only 2 town reads. For recks:
1. Zar is scum, and know we chose Recks (it was more or less states obviously)
2. Sucessful rolecop.
3. Blind guessing given that hito doesn't talk about recks come d2.
aka, it would have been extremely likely that our chose either MoI or Quilford d2.

[MagnaofIllusion]

2. Sucessful rolecop.

Very doubtful this is a Scum ability. It was an option to give out for Group 1A.

[T-Bone]

I'll be honest, I have absolutely no idea what Theam was trying to say.

[Lost Butterfly]

Prodding BBmolla.

[BBmolla]

Rereading today.

[Zar]

Sorry. What I meant was, since you started attacking my reads, have you thought about whether my posting since then has been more likely to come from town or scum?

Well, my biggest concern about your responses is that my push on you triggered you to compile a counter case + claim you'd be withholding information. See, you were still pretty much middle on the road on me until I called you out. In itself, your reaction that is not entirely damning and wouldn't lead me to be convinced you're definitely guilty. Being OMGUSSY =/= Being Guilty.

The part I did like of your reaction is that, while your scope wasn't too broad, the push forced you to come out of the dark and interact more and somewhat explain your logic. It doesn't feel like a CYA reaction.

My team-members have also expressed their thoughts on you in-thread and they're all over the place. Isa agrees on your behavior being suspicious. Johhog however claims to be unable to read you, but mentions you're normally a scummy player. I'm not a fan of meta to clear players because it may bias you out of the in-game interactions (has happened to me before). Pere is the only one who thinks you look town, but hasn't told me why.

[DeasVail]

Unvote: Zar

I've been having trouble holding my scumread of him because I do get the sense that he is genuine in his beliefs, and his latest post is not bad.

4nx wants me to ask:

Hito:

Regarding 538, why were you asking Magua (an extremely strong scumread) to trust you? Also, why were you considering Magua, Zar and theam as likely scum at the time if they were all in group 1B?

At this stage, I'm thinking t-bone or molla, but I'll probably go with molla. I'm definitely still against a KK lynch, but I don't really see any way of stopping it.

[xRECKONERx]

Rereading today.

If you do not post a catchup post by tonight, I will hammer anyway. We're not sitting around and waiting on you to reread another three days-then-a-prod.

[DeasVail]

Is there any possibility of you doublevoting someone else?

[xRECKONERx]

Nobody else is in hammer range.

[BBmolla]

Rereading today.

If you do not post a catchup post by tonight, I will hammer anyway. We're not sitting around and waiting on you to reread another three days-then-a-prod.

k

[Kublai Khan]

Rereading today.

If you do not post a catchup post by tonight, I will hammer anyway. We're not sitting around and waiting on you to reread another three days-then-a-prod.

Wait, what?


If BBmolla doesn't post by tonight, you'll hammer the guy that you have a town-read on? Are you sure you're not scum in this game?

[xRECKONERx]

I said I had a town read on MoI, when I thought he was in the QT with me yesterday.

That town read was furthered by the way he (actually you) behaved in going along with our coin flip plan. Upon hearing another judging group did this as well, and realizing my brain was scattered since I couldn't remember who was in what group or who said what, I went back to reread the QT.

DV is the one who suggested our coin flip scenario, not you... and seeing as how all three of us and an entire other judging group went along with it as well, it kind of nullifies the "go with the plan" town tell that I saw earlier... since, if it's a town-tell, then that would be two entire judging groups cleared as town, which is highly improbable.

I have no town read on you. I don't like that your #1 town read is apparently T-Bone, who has barely posted at all in the game. I don't like that your "last ditch effort" to get people to realize your "townieness" comes from "Oh, I agree with person XYZ" and placing a vote. I don't like that you've posted less than several dead players AND the moderators of this game. I don't like that you threw a scumslip at me, then took days and days to finally answer... and when you DID finally answer, you just took it all back as "oh, I guess I was wrong". To be completely honest, there's nothing about your play I

do

like. I have two strong town reads, a couple weak town reads, then [everyone else] who could possibly be scum. You fit into the [everyone else] group, and you've been playing scummy this entire game.

I'm clearly not getting a lynch on Zar today, and people want me to use my secretvote to doublehammer. While you're not my first choice, you're one of them, and I have no problem seeing you die, as I think there's a high probability we'll see a "red" flip in response.

If I'm wrong, sue me. But there's a lot of refuse to take out in this game, and you're square in that column.

[Kublai Khan]

I don't like that your "last ditch effort" to get people to realize your "townieness" comes from "Oh, I agree with person XYZ" and placing a vote.

What?