↑ Vi wrote: ↑ Yosarian2 wrote: ↑ Vi wrote: ↑ Yosarian2 wrote:Oh, that's bs, VI. I don't know why there were 2 kills last night any more then you do; most likely there is a second person with some kind of vig ability that didn't or couldn't use it night 1.
This still doesn't solve the three-kills issue. I'll make a judgment when I see a claim, at any rate.
Uh; yes, it would solve the issue actually; that would explain why there are two kills today. We already knew there was at least one blocked kill night 1.
If you had shot scum N1 per your claim, there would be three kills N2. Slightly less ridiculous.
(shrug) My hunch right now is that there's two semi-vigs in this game; me, and an even night vig or something. Just a guess, of course; there could be any other number of possibilities. I kind of doubt a scum would shoot Parama last night, though; that looks more like a vig shot to me.
As for two blocked kills N1? Possible but generally unlikely, especially since Nuwen cried out for someone, anyone to claim a blocking role and got no response.
We also made clear we didn't want a doctor to claim. A doctor is pretty likely, considering that there doesn't seem to be a full cop in this game. Also, I think the scum are afraid of a doctor; I notice that even though their buddy pointed out Zar as a power role yesterday, they avoided killing him last night, most likely because they didn't want to run smack into a doc protect again.
And, of course, a scum roleblocker is also quite possible; they obviously wouldn't claim either. And we have a bulletproof claim as well.
(Coming back from the end of your post; you're also speculating about a SK, I see. If there is one, that's likely to be another unkillable role in a game like this, which would make two bulletproofs, along with whatever else there is.)
I could go on with the setup speculation, but you can do that as well as I can; you know as well as I do that you can't just count the kills and come to a conclusion like you're trying to do, there's too many possibilities, even just including roles common in mini-games.
Yes you threw your vote on Furcolow when it wasn't trendy and when he started to stink like a dead squirrel people jumped on. There is that. But I don't know how your vote got there to start with. He was even at the bottom of your PoE list.
Uh. What?
Yosarian2 wrote:
Shos is probably town. His ability is confirmed, at least. It's possible he's a scum message sender, but its not that likely.
Hiraki is probably town. His actions and claim don't really make any sense as scum.
In any case, I'm guessing we'll get more information on the two of them as the game goes on.
Vi seems very townish, especially with her vigorous defense of both UN and Elmo yesterday. Leaning town on charter and nuwen.
Scum are probably within the group of:
Katsuki
Parama
Zar
kanyeknowsbest
Furcolow
Out of that group, I have vaguely good vibes from kanye and zar, but nothing I'd bet on. I'd be happy lynching Furcolow or Katsuki.
The two top suspects on that list were Furcolow or Fatsuki, with Parama as #3; I had a weak town read on kanye and zar, and I eliminated everyone else. (Clearly at least one of the people I eliminated was incorrect; or two, if your SK-speculation is right.) I dropped Parama from my suspect list after the cop gambit, but odds are looking really good good that both Furcolow and Kats are scum, which would make that POE scumhunting method awesome even if thought it clearly wasn't 100% correct.
Anyway; you did realize that that list wasn't in any specific order, right? I figured that would have been obvious since the two guys I thought were town were in the middle, and my suspects were on the top and the bottom.
I'm not really sure what you didn't get about that; I thought it was pretty clear where I got everything from.
You know that I'm town here, Vi. You know that there's no way I claim vig as scum at the start of day 2 for no reason. You know there's zero chance that a scum shoots Elmo after night 1. You know that there's no way that me and Furcolow were scum buddies yesterday if you read the thread, and you know that I've been playing like town. Are you seriously going to let stupid setup speculation get in the way of all of that?
Speaking frankly I would rather play Setupafia any day of the week. And if Nuwen is calling you an SK by projecting her own opinion onto me - and I'll take her word for it because she's scum - then the other reasons go away.
As for playing like Town, refer to a whole lot of what I said about your play D1. Etc. and etc.
Now if you really wanted to play like Town you would vote Nuwen.
Eh. There could be an SK in this game, I suppose.
That doesn't actually make "any of those other reasons" go away, though. In order for you to believe that I was a SK, you would first have to believe that the SK would shoot Elmo on night 1, even though he was obviously going to be lynched on day 2; and you would have to believe that I, as SK, would claim vig at the start of day 2 for no reason.
Vi, I'm frankly having a lot of trouble understanding how town-Vi could be entertaining any serious suspicion of me at this point. You'd have to believe about 4 impossible things before breakfast in order to do that, and the only reason you're giving is pretty weak speculation based on the number of kills, which you know there are about a billion plausible explanations for. I had you written off as town, but it looks like at least one of my town reads was wrong, and you're not making sense today; it's making me fairly uncomfortable.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
