Open 403 - Donner Party (Game Over)

[Tierce]

Votecount 2.2

scotmany12

(2) - Mortontfrh, Shadoweh

Shadoweh

(1) -

Glork,

vijay2vasandani

vijay2vasandani

(1) - scotmany12

Guy_Named_Riggs

(0) -

Glork, vijay2vasandani

Not voting

(4) - Chimera, Guy_Named_Riggs, Fritzler,

scotmany12, Shadoweh, vijay2vasandani

, Glork


With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline is June 13 at 7:00 PM GMT (DST). Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2012-06-13 19:00:00)

[vijay2vasandani]

@ Scotmany: depends on who you ask. What's wrong with my vote on Shadoweh?

[Glork]

Hey guys. I am back from V/LA. What is up?

Trying to decide whether to lynch GNR or Chimera right now.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Hey, sorry, I've had a really busy weekend but I'll be reading up tommrow night.

[Glork]

Fuck it.

Vote: GNR

[Shadoweh]

Scot: Because I forgot he was playing. Which sounds like a reason to look him back over, but at this point I suspect him of being a flake more then scum. You on the other hand seem more purposely barely there.

No Glork he's just dumb don't go towards the light!

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Catch-up Post Go!!!

Spoiler: Wall of Reads

Chimera

-

Null

Not enough to go off of. Of course, V/LA is an issue, so I can wait for this

Fritzler

-

Leaning Scum

From what has been posted, not a whole lot has been towards discussion, especially this day.

Hey guys. I am back from V/LA. What is up?

This was his most recent post. Nothing with catching up or reads, just saying hi

Glork

-

Town

Adding to conversation, starting if need to. Only thing I'm confused on is why he started gunning for me at the start of Day 2,

Could you explain you vote on me Glork?

Mortontfrh

-

Town

Posts are short, but conscise. Speaks whats on mind without too much of a filter. I don't see Mort trying to hide anything anyway

Scotmany12

-

Town

While I agree that the posts are few (I know I'm guilty of that as well) Scot seems town. It doesn't seem like he has anything to hide. Just scumhunting.

Shadoweh

-

Town

Going strong from the start trying to find scum. From what I can tell, nothing to hide.

Have I answered the questions you have asked me? I don't remember if I have

vijay2vasandani

-

Scum

Lol yeah actually.

But this is an intent to hammer. Now will you claim?

This. The intent to hammer was made on May 23rd. Day ended on the 27th, vijay did not hammer. Wait... just saw he was already on the wagon... WTF? Okay, intent to hammer was izak. Still, the fact that he just left his vote on the xaxle wagon with his intent. I sense scum holding back. They would want the mislynch, but not want to seem to quick about it.

VOTE:vijay2vasandani

[vijay2vasandani]

I dont understand what you're saying. Are you saying I should have hammered izak?

[Mortontfrh]

Going to be on V/LA until the 6th at the earliest to deal with some real life crap, sorry guys.

[Shadoweh]

I don't think I asked you anything directly, GNR, just stated that you should be making reads. This is a start. You only have three suspects though, and in this game that would mean you believe you've caught all three scum? Your reasons for dismissing everyone else are pretty weak. 'Seems to be scumhunting' 'feels okay'. Can you explain your reads with actual quotes from people? It helps to understand how you're thinking.

Also you're implying 2/3 of the scum team aren't posting. I doubt the entire scum forces are /care.

Tierce have you considered liberal application of this blowtorch attached to this cattle prod?

[scotmany12]

From what post from GNR did you get this impression from?

This one, where he says on page 6 he's incapable of applying any type of pressure:

No, but on page 6, I don't see anything to build a case on someone to pressure them

This is pretty far from him coming right out and saying he has no intention of helping the town.

@ Scotmany: depends on who you ask. What's wrong with my vote on Shadoweh?

I don't like the opportunistic nature of it, and your reasoning is a pretty big reach.

Scot: Because I forgot he was playing. Which sounds like a reason to look him back over, but at this point I suspect him of being a flake more then scum. You on the other hand seem more purposely barely there.

I have a hard time believing that you forgot chimera was playing when you wanted him lynched yesterday. Unless you forgot you had your vote on him for latter part of the day yesterday.

I am not understanding GNR's vote at all.

[Shadoweh]

He didn't stick in my mind. Your posts bother me more then whatever he wrote that bothered me at the time. At this moment I think it's impossible to collectively judge things until there are actually 8 players in this game.

It might be because your name is stuck in my head from Weather Mafia fanfiction. Blame Glork for writing you as the bad guy.

[Tierce]

Chimera has requested replacement.

If Fritzler does not post in the next 5 hours, I will replace him too.

[Tierce]

Phillammon replaces Chimera, effective as soon as I send him his role PM.

Looking for a potential replacement for Fritzler.

[Phillammon]

Hello all! I've been trying to keep up as this goes, but I'm going to go back for a re-read anyway.

[Glork]

Every time I try to look at this game, I just get this numb feeling in my mind and the re-read doesn't wind up happening. Hoping some new blood will breathe some life into this wasteland of a game.

At work now, so I'll just respond to GNR: I opened D2 voting you because your D1 play looked passive in that "I don't really want to attract any attention" kind of way. You looked like someone who was setting up for the long haul, not wanting to attract enough attention early to warrant a lynch or a kill.

[Tierce]

Searching for a replacement for Fritzler.

[Tierce]

Elmo TeH AzN replaces Fritzler, effective as soon as I send him his role PM.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Lo all. Like Phil I've been following but not so much as say he was.

[Glork]

COLUMBUS, OHIO UNITE!

[Phillammon]

Okay, let's do this.

Spoiler: Vijay2Vasandani

Vijay started off fairly townish, or at least not overtly scummy. Then it came to this:

We don't need a claim; lynches aren't no-reveal.

?? No claim? That's almost asking for a mislynch on a power role.

VOTE: CES

Lol really?

And sorry I can't keep up with your standards saulres.

This is not good. While you tried to backtrack on it later, there is still the whole issue that lynching without a claim, especially day 1, is a great way to lose a power role. It doesn't matter whether the flips are there, it's still losing a PR. I'm with GNR here.

VOTE: GNR

There would be better ways to do this. For example, say, with an explanation.

... I don't even.

Good posting, I see.

severely disappointed.

UNVOTE:

Going to bed, will reread in the morning.

And the unexplained vote vanishes into thin air. On this little exchange, I'm more confused than I am suspicious, but there is still suspicion there.
Overall, Vijay started well, but his play and town prospects have both degraded over time...

Spoiler: Guy_Named_Riggs

Vote: Fritzler

because I had your favorite role in the Worlds Wost game

Not a good start there, buddy.

I don't understand what the big deal over post 70 is. Is it really that bad to quicklynch him?

Oh dear lord. This is not good...

We don't need a claim; lynches aren't no-reveal.

?? No claim? That's almost asking for a mislynch on a power role.

VOTE: CES

Then suddenly, this. Good job on calling it out, although you have taken it a little way down the slippery slope. I am, as mentioned earlier, in agreement with the sentiment here.

Catch-up Post Go!!!

Chimera

-

Null

Not enough to go off of. Of course, V/LA is an issue, so I can wait for this

Fritzler

-

Leaning Scum

From what has been posted, not a whole lot has been towards discussion, especially this day.

Hey guys. I am back from V/LA. What is up?

This was his most recent post. Nothing with catching up or reads, just saying hi

Glork

-

Town

Adding to conversation, starting if need to. Only thing I'm confused on is why he started gunning for me at the start of Day 2,

Could you explain you vote on me Glork?

Mortontfrh

-

Town

Posts are short, but conscise. Speaks whats on mind without too much of a filter. I don't see Mort trying to hide anything anyway

Scotmany12

-

Town

While I agree that the posts are few (I know I'm guilty of that as well) Scot seems town. It doesn't seem like he has anything to hide. Just scumhunting.

Shadoweh

-

Town

Going strong from the start trying to find scum. From what I can tell, nothing to hide.

Have I answered the questions you have asked me? I don't remember if I have

vijay2vasandani

-

Scum

Lol yeah actually.

But this is an intent to hammer. Now will you claim?

This. The intent to hammer was made on May 23rd. Day ended on the 27th, vijay did not hammer. Wait... just saw he was already on the wagon... WTF? Okay, intent to hammer was izak. Still, the fact that he just left his vote on the xaxle wagon with his intent. I sense scum holding back. They would want the mislynch, but not want to seem to quick about it.

VOTE:vijay2vasandani

Not a bad wall of reads either, and demonstrating that he's wrking through the game and actively trying to catch scum says townish to me. Unsure of where to stand, overall, but I reckon that GNR is leaning town, in spite of 94.

Spoiler: Mortontfrh

I'm not a fan of how quickly Xalxe was put at L-1, especially without any mention of it.

Unvote, Vote: Xalxe

I agree, he got awfully protective, awfully fast.

Claim

and

die.

Unvote

Vote: Fritzler

Are you aware that this was an L-1 vote? If so, why didn't you bother to make any mention of it?

This is a good call out. Accidental lynching page 2 would have been a bit off, I guess.

Why would you assume it was sarcastic when you knew it was an L-1 vote?

Because we're on page 2, and it's far to early to actually be asking for a serious claim.

Do you have something against Xalxe dying here?

Absolutely. I don't think I would be comfortable with anyone ever dying this early in the game. Some of the players in this game haven't even made a post outside of the RVS stage.

Also your post right after goes from suspecting to pleasantly chatting with your suspect like you're at a tea party

You're saying that I can't suspect someone while trying to be nice to them? I try to be as nice as possible, and Fritzer felt like I was being an asshole which isn't something that I am comfortable being perceived as. Are you saying it's scummy for me to try to be nice?

I'm liking the entire exchange with Fritz, but this post particularly shows that he's being open. Openness is good.

I see where its coming from when you put it that way, but I'm not putting the wagon at L-1 this early in the day. Too much information will be wasted.

If you're not going to put him at L-1, and you're not going to bother putting pressure on anyone else what exactly are you planning on doing this game?

Are you just going to sit around twiddling your thumbs until someone else puts him at L-1 or are you waiting until someone else provides a reasonable wagon for you to sheep on?

No, but on page 6, I don't see anything to build a case on someone to pressure them

Christ what do you think would happen if everyone had this same mentality?

GNR is probably town; I don't think scum would outright say they have no intentions of scumhunting.

I think Fritzler is still suspicious, especially given how defensive he got with just a tiny bit of pressure however Izak is a much more immediate concern.

Vote: Izakthegoomba

This is an L-1 vote, btw.

This makes a good point on GNR. Confused town does look like the best explanation. Continued suspicion of fritzler is still justified.

Going to be on V/LA until the 6th at the earliest to deal with some real life crap, sorry guys.

And that's all. Liking the town prospects on Morton, overall, especially in his chewing out of Fritzler.

Spoiler: Fritzler

Unvote, Vote: Xalxe

I agree, he got awfully protective, awfully fast.

Claim

and

die.

This is not good.

No, it's really not considering that vote was placed at the start of page 2 where asking for claims isn't normal behavior.

I assumed he was being sarcastic with his request for him to claim, I didn't view it as a "I'm announcing that you're at L-1 by saying that I want you hammered".

Ummmm...it is pretty obvious that I knew I was L-1 when I told him to claim. You claim at L-1 and then you get lynched and die. That is pretty much the pretty triple truth. I am sorry that you don't understand subtext, and I will never try to read Wilde with you.

P.S. Wilde is a homosexual FYI.

This is even worse.

Also, why are you such a total asshole?

FOS

Bad.

Hey guys. I am back from V/LA. What is up?

And nothing posted since. Not in the slightest bit good.
Fritzler is looking horribly scummy, especially off the back of the morton exchange. I only quoted the highlights, but, still, not good at all.

Spoiler: scotmany12

Unvote, Vote: izakgoomba

Post 70 was horrible as glork already mentioned. Will elaborate more when not at home if needed.

I don't understand what the big deal over post 70 is. Is it really that bad to quicklynch him?

It really is. As glork said, it accomplished nothing. And his vote on fritz is one of the worst I have seen in a long time. Not only is hypocrisy not a scumtell, but voting someone for being hypocritical about being an asshole is quite ludicrous.

These two are good for the same reasons as Morton's posts on the same subject.

The "Glork hasn't died N1" isn't viable anymore. He's correct when he says it is no longer a site meta.

I still stand by my statement that I don't think GNR is scum; scum don't just come out and say they have no intention of helping the town. That's just dumb town behavior, not scum behavior.

From what post from GNR did you get this impression from?

Shadoweh, why did you choose to vote me of chimera, who you were pretty adamant about wanting dead yesterday?

I'm not liking vijay atm. He's posting a lot, but I'm seeing very little substance in his posts. I see maybe two to three posts out of his 24 that have some worthwhile content in them. I'm not sure if this is normal for him or not. If if is please say so. But right now he seems to be just floating a on, and i'm not liking his vote on shadow at all.

Vote: vijay2vasandani

GNR also needs to start getting some content out there, as well as chimera.

Active scumhunting. This is good, townish.

From what post from GNR did you get this impression from?

This one, where he says on page 6 he's incapable of applying any type of pressure:

No, but on page 6, I don't see anything to build a case on someone to pressure them

This is pretty far from him coming right out and saying he has no intention of helping the town.

@ Scotmany: depends on who you ask. What's wrong with my vote on Shadoweh?

I don't like the opportunistic nature of it, and your reasoning is a pretty big reach.

Scot: Because I forgot he was playing. Which sounds like a reason to look him back over, but at this point I suspect him of being a flake more then scum. You on the other hand seem more purposely barely there.

I have a hard time believing that you forgot chimera was playing when you wanted him lynched yesterday. Unless you forgot you had your vote on him for latter part of the day yesterday.

I am not understanding GNR's vote at all.

Also very good. Like morton, very town, overall.

Spoiler: Shadoweh

Well it depends on how you define anti-town. In my experience letting yourself get lynched because you're too stubborn to claim is anti-town. People have a habit of doing it anyways though.

Lesse. Glork CES Fritzer Mortonfth townie. Despite the hate they're getting I see Xalxe and Izak as town as well. I have no idea what to do with vijay, it seems like he's just like this? If someone above can tell me why he's X it would be appreciated. I dislike Chimera's posts and I can't remember anything scotmany has said despite reading that he is in fact playing. The other two are nullish void. I don't supose people could work a lynch in these directions instead of people who've been squealing alot? This is how it starts:

##Unvote
##Vote: Chimera

Active hunting. As mentioned earlier, I like active hunting, and acting on gut reads is a good way to get things moving. Even if it is against my slot...

I don't think I asked you anything directly, GNR, just stated that you should be making reads. This is a start. You only have three suspects though, and in this game that would mean you believe you've caught all three scum? Your reasons for dismissing everyone else are pretty weak. 'Seems to be scumhunting' 'feels okay'. Can you explain your reads with actual quotes from people? It helps to understand how you're thinking.

Also you're implying 2/3 of the scum team aren't posting. I doubt the entire scum forces are /care.

Tierce have you considered liberal application of this blowtorch attached to this cattle prod?

Non-Groupscum-slip. According to post 2, there are 2 goons, so two thirds of the scum team would be a misnomer.
Overall, there's not an enormous amount to go on, but shadoweh looks reasonably town.

Spoiler: Glork

No. We have plenty of time. You hammering me would be just as bad as Fritz doing it. If I'm a PR, I'll be blowing the game apart by claiming now.

And if you get hammered for refusing to claim and flip a power role, how does that "blow the game apart" any less?

That said, the fact that you've failed to think this through basically tells us that you're VT or scum. Unfortunately, I'm leaning VT at the moment.

Unvote
Vote: Xalxe

Could I have a little explanation here? You say Xalxe is probably town, then proceed to vote him. That seems counter-intuitive.

How did I fail to give appropriate context? You said you're not find of going to night without somebody, but you

are

fond of it if that person could be the SK.

Either you think Fritz has an above-average chance of being the SK, in which case you really ought to explain why you think that, and why you're hunting specifically for the SK...

...or you don't think he has an above-average chance of being the SK, in which your comment served no useful purpose other than to appeal to the rest of us and/or make it

look like

you're being thoughtfully indecisive.



Please. Feel free to give "full context" and explain exactly what you were hoping to accomplish with the possible-SK comment, because I'm not finding the protown motivation for it.

This is active scumhunting. This is a good thing.

Vote: Guy_Named_Riggs

hay buddeh

I still don't like unexplained votes. That's less good.
Overall, glork is townish. Active scumhunting+Activity and lots of content says that to me.

That took far longer than it should've. My scumreads at the minute are Vijay and

Fritz

Elmo, but as Fritz

is being

was just replaced, it's probably a good idea to let him defend himself. In the mean time:

VOTE: Vijay2Vasandani

[Glork]

I said that izak (the person I was responding to) is probably town, and moved my vote from izak to Xalxe. I thought that was pretty clear.

The things you don't like about Fritz are more general characteristics of him as a player (he uses mild antagonization as a scumhunting device, and usually doesn't go too far with it). I think that seeing what Elmo brings to the table is a good idea.


I will say that I like how Phil has accomplished in one post (a list of detailed reads/commentary) what took GNR 12 pages of gameplay to accomplish. I'm p happy with my vote right now.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Im going out for a while not but there's no way in hell Im going to work so Ill have something up tonight

[vijay2vasandani]

@ Phil: I sincerely doubted that CES would let a hammer actually go throught without a claim. He's far more experienced than that imo. I just found that his vote was opportunistic in the sense that it's a terrible reason to vote for CES.

In regards to the unexplained vote, I thought Glork was softclaiming Dietician in the first post of the day.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

To be honest I don't know what to make of Fritzler who I replaced his Iso is a mess and the posts Phil quoted I don't much.

Phil the quote of Glork I get is active scumhunting but at the same time why wouldn't he move his vote as well if he think's he's the SK? It raises questions to me. But even then Glork seems to know something that no one else knew.

I would like to hear what Chimara has to say since looking at his posts.

I see Phil replaced him.

Right now I have Glork and CES as high town reads.

Phil your slot, GNR & VJ are my top 3 scum. I don't like what Chimera did and I can't get answers from you for it. Im not holding that against you as of yet but VJ always seems scummy and your "acive scumhunting" is somehting everyone would be doing. Im not sold on VJ as well but Im going to vote
VOTE: GNR I don't like his iso

Also why does no one talk about CES in their recaps?