TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[Porochaz]

Blocked. As for the other question, I assume its because I can be blocked instead.

1365 is a terrible post and I am still waiting on cooldog to answer that question of mine.

UN is scum though.

vote uberninja

[Porochaz]

Wow, I accidentally used an absolute. Ah well, it's because I am pretty sure at this point.

[Porochaz]

Triple post ftw, for info purposes, I targetted greyice. The reason being is that your all being lead down the garden path by him and the only way you would stand a chance if he is scum is by someone coming out and saying "he targetted the dead person"

[UberNinja]

blocked... indeed.

so please explain your train of thought as to why i as scum would

out of the blue

lynch my godfather yesterday after defending him all fucking day

[Porochaz]

Already have.

In fact its one of the points against you. Considering you did the 180 with little provocation and with one of the shittest reasons I have ever seen on site. I mean seriously, I would have taken you more seriously if you had said gut.

[iamausername]

Let's see now:

- Prozac asserts that scum have a blocker.
- Prozac claims to have tracked UberNinja going nowhere N1.
- Blocker blocked somebody N1, A.N. Other Scumbuddy killed Glork N1 (for UberNinja to be scum, this would have to be DeltaWave, the godfather)
- Prozac votes UberNinja anyway.

NOPE.

(also, as Fonz has pointed out to me, he claimed a 'went nowhere' result on a CLAIMED VT, aka the one person he could be sure was not going to contradict his claim. And Slaxx, who made this sexy case linking Prozac to DeltaWave done got killed last night)

VOTE: Porochaz

pew pew pew

[iamausername]

In fact its one of the points against you. Considering you did the 180 with little provocation and with one of the shittest reasons I have ever seen on site. I mean seriously, I would have taken you more seriously if you had said gut.

In what universe is doing a 180 from not voting scum to voting scum without provocation a point against anybody?

[UberNinja]

Oh, thanks iama... I'd forgotten about that post.

Delta's ISO:

Alone:

Sat on a Haylen vote all day. Go back to Glor's ISO. He had the right idea.
He sits on all four of his scum reads the whole first day, scum reads that just happen to be the best prospects for an easy lynch at that time, and never gives any reasoning.

In regards to Pere:

Answers one question by Pere. Has him as #4 town in his reads list. Why? We don't know its never explained.

And thats it. One question answered.

As a comparison: He's associated with me once, Grey a good 6 or 7 times, UN twice, CoolDog, Glork, and Leela more than I feel like counting.

By far nowhere near enough commentary or association, especially to have him that high up on the list.

In regards to Poro:

Soft defense of Poro in #575
"Let me decide if I want to bus or not"- #1008

Look at the aggressiveness he displays when voting Glork. You can tell Delta really wants Glork lynched....but where's that push on Poro? Where is he when the troops need to be corralled to string up Poro? Nowhere. He sits on the fucking vote and continues picking one on ones with the other players in the game, mentioning once that Poro is totally the lynch for the day, and when confronted but not without such confrontation, gives justification for his vote. Its a demonhybrid-style bus. Get on early, stay on, profit from town cred.

Poro's ISO:

Alone:

Grey's got this part covered. He's been on top of it so far, but he's wrong about MoS as a partner.

In regards to Delta:

Lets see how many times Poro says Delta is scummy but doesn't vote him:

1: #393: "Deltawave is starting to look like he's active lurking but... as I said before we are 3 days in... also lurking doesn't really mean much to me."
2: #619: "Then we move onto the Deltawave vote, and you have redeemed yourself somewhat with that vote. It's like you have suddenly managed to sink your teeth into something thats not shit. I am interested in how that argument goes. Will be looking closer at deltawave in the coming days."

Counting intermission: I don't know what #776 by Poro even is but its scummy as fuck. Its like he felt forced to comment on the argument but had no idea what to say the whole post.

3: #779: "Deltawave took too long to move on, but Im not convinced of alignment."
4: #859: "Actually, we are 4 days from deadline. We have two camps and god knows how many times I've seen a deadline lynch happen on someone that isn't the two options available. Basically you have Haylen or Deltawave. Now you are really pro-Haylen lynch and Glork, lets say is really pro-Delta lynch but we are approaching deadline, neither of you want to jump ship (you especially because, you know, you'd be breaking your rule of not saying anything original), hey presto, I offer the alternative."- Trying to get people off Delta before deadline.

5: #998: "I figure that I should keep on with the uberninja wagon, although I now have problems with it. But the pro's outweigh the cons here. vote uberninja

(I am referring to Deltawave here as a pro)"

6 #1015 (trying to set up a Delta-town facade once UN flips town): "It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way. I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him"

So 6. 6 times. Are we done yet? Fuck no we ain't, this is a slaxx wall motherfuckers.

Regarding Pere:

The only thing here besides one exchange between the two is his shit post in #950, which I have already explained.

Pere's ISO

Alone:

He's done shitall as far as progressive posting goes, all he is doing is asking empty questions.

In regards to Delta:

Fun fact: Out of all the questions Pere asked, he has only asked why someone is voting someone else once? Do you know who was being voted? why Delta of course (#1139)...and before you ask, I ctrl+f'ed "why" and clicked through fourty entries. So yes. He is the only one. Unless Pere didn't use why then this is solid.

He calls Delta town multiple times, but his reasoning is "I find him town in his arguments". Well, Ok. Pretty shitty explanation for someone so engrossed in the why's of this game.

In regards to Poro:

Admittedly, there isn't much here.



Summary: Delta and Poro are scum together with Pere as the most possible third I am aware of right now. I'd take that shit to the bank.

Now fucking sheep me fuckers.

Best parts:

• "Are we done yet? Fuck no we ain't, this is a slaxx wall motherfuckers."
  
• "Now fucking sheep me fuckers."

I'm lovin Slaxx

beyond all levels that sanity ordains

now that i know for a fact he's town.

Vote: Porochaz

How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the scum team?

[CooLDoG]

what question poro?

UN is the way to go today guys. Poro's target makes sense, although for the scum to have a role blocker and a godfather we had better have some fucking strong town power left. Especially sense all that has flipped is a back up.

[Porochaz]

In fact its one of the points against you. Considering you did the 180 with little provocation and with one of the shittest reasons I have ever seen on site. I mean seriously, I would have taken you more seriously if you had said gut.

In what universe is doing a 180 from not voting scum to voting scum without provocation a point against anybody?

What? When it was clear he was likely to be lynched? Let me think about that one...

[Porochaz]

Right, lets start with some original points. I am asserting I was blocked because the langauage in the PM insinuated that. Point 2 is correct.

Point 3 is terrible though. The amount of things you are just assuming here. What I can say is UN did not move N1. Whether it is another scumbuddy or the godfather is more likely. What is more, we don't know what DW had as an advantage as godfather and we don't know if block and kill could be done by the same person and why couldn't Deltawave have performed the first kill?

Point 4 is true. There is enough shit coming from him that he simply has to be scum. Take his latest post - and his latest post only (because we would be here all day otherwise) - sheeping, failing to add anything useful, quoting a case which I have already mostly discredited NOT because I am defending myself but because a lot of what was there was taken out of context.

Wait UN was claimed vanilla? Link please? Not that it changes much, I mean it not like scum have ever claimed vanilla, right?

I guess we better get back to Slaxx's case though and all I can really say is - town laziness, better to quote a post and look townie than actually make a decent stab at my own case, failing to do research etc. etc. blah blah blah.

So please forgive me for being lazy here as well. I'm just going to quote what I said last time and if you like we can talk about it or you can unvote me because "your" "reasons" are not what they are cracked up to be.

Slaxx, those 6 points where "I call Delta scummy but don't vote" - I don't think any of them I actually mean to make a point of saying delta is scummy. (look at me, trying to make a normal post)

1. Minor thing, so much so, I pass it by with only a mention and a reason why I do not find it a tell.
2. I was talking more about Glork and his interactions there rather than Deltawave. Glork actually got into that case more than his previous vote was my point.
3. I think that actively states I don't know what I think rather than calling him scummy.
4. Im talking to UN about a possibility of a third wagon. That actively states that I am not a fan of a delta wagon. Everything there about Delta is quite clearly a hypothetical anyway.
5. You could argue this one. However I have already made my view clear about why un was a better vote than dw.
6. Ok I will give you this one. But only because I think they are looking out for each other and I can't see why town would do that to the extent they did. I felt that UN was doing this more than DW which made him naturally more scummy. But I was struggling to convey that so gave a very shit answer.

So 1 and a half.

In a way Im sad iam, I was done thinking you were town, but to make such a crapshoot of a case bolstered by a case by Slaxx, most of which was an out of context case which I already discredited and by extension linking yourself to Scum King Scummy McScummerson, I am struggling to see why you are walking down a route which A. does not give you credit as the good player you are B. fails at pretty much every hurdle and C. looks very scum motivated. (we block the tracker, kill the person with the biggest case against him and watch as the pressure drives on)

[Porochaz]

Asking me why delta and uber are scum is like asking water if it is wet. You should know the answer to it already

I wanted to know your motivation behind this statement.

[iamausername]

In fact its one of the points against you. Considering you did the 180 with little provocation and with one of the shittest reasons I have ever seen on site. I mean seriously, I would have taken you more seriously if you had said gut.

In what universe is doing a 180 from not voting scum to voting scum without provocation a point against anybody?

What? When it was clear he was likely to be lynched? Let me think about that one...

interesting definition of 'little provocation' you have there

p.s. vote count just before UberNinja voted DeltaWave:

UberNinja(2): CooLDoG, Porochaz
Mastermind of Sin(2): PeregrineV, DeltaWave
DeltaWave(2): Captain Leela, iamausername
Porochaz(1): UberNinja
iamausername(1): Mastermind of Sin

not voting: jasonT1981, Slaxx, GreyICE

"clear he was likely to be lynched"

[iamausername]

In a way Im sad iam, I was done thinking you were town

so with one scum of three dead, you thought i was scum, and you thought uberninja was scum

and yet you tried to track greyICE last night

tell me more

[hasdgfas]

PeregrineV(2): Mastermind of Sin, jasonT1981
UberNinja(2): CooLDoG, Porochaz
Porochaz(2): iamausername, UberNinja

Not voting: GreyICE, PeregrineV, Captain Leela

mod, does a tracker result on a god father all ways come out as "he went nowhere"?

No comment.

[hasdgfas]

Also, Deadline is June 19th

[Porochaz]

In a way Im sad iam, I was done thinking you were town

so with one scum of three dead, you thought i was scum, and you thought uberninja was scum

and yet you tried to track greyICE last night

tell me more

Despite the poor word choice I didn't say you were scum.

I also told you why I tracked Grey. A decision, I might add, I did despite the fact I find him townie.

[iamausername]

Here's what I'm thinking.

The case on Poro is that he was distancing from MoS.

MoS is scummy.

Therefore: VOTE: MoS

This lynch has a high chance of hitting scum while lending some credence to Poro's claim at the same time.

i mean he really did spell it out in plain english right here.

"wanna lynch mos

to lend credence to poro's claim

"

deltawave literally posted these words, in the thread. go look it up if you don't believe me. post 1292. it really exists.

[Porochaz]

Now you are clutching at straws.

I mean fuck sake iam, how the hell can you not see it. Uberninja voted me straight after my claim! There was absolutely no way he could have not seen it.

And if you want me to scour posts for little vague snippets I can use to try and bolster a non-case then let me do the same

Here's what I'm thinking.

The case on Poro is that he was distancing from MoS.

MoS is scummy.

Therefore: VOTE: MoS

This lynch has a high chance of hitting scum while lending some credence to Poro's claim at the same time.

Therefore, shut the fuck up and vote Porochaz, you waste of skin.

Stop purposely being dissonant, and if you're town you'd better fucking contribute and go along with shit, or I will personally see you dead. My town read on you has been wearing thinner and thinner, and it's not going to stretch forever.

Im not permanently opposed to a poro lynch. Tell me why I should disregard the pr claim.

Except here's the thing. All this is bullshit really. We are taking statements made from a dead guy which could be interpreted in any way whatsoever.

Look, I know you are struggling here, trying to find something that just isn't there. So let me help you. Just say "I am voting prozac for his statements about UN and MOS." It is really a crap reason and I still fail to see any logic in it but it's better than anything you are coming up with. Or you know, you can admit that your wrong, unvote, save yourself some embarrassment and actually do something worthwhile with your time other than make yourself look hilariously bad.

[GreyICE]

I'm going to vote Porochaz or PeregrineV.

Iam is definitely town, and so is Uber.

Delta's interactions yesterday with MoS have me leaning town on MoS, which is sad, but c'est la vie.

CooLDoG remains a CooLDoG, but Delta's vote on him wasn't very good, and doesn't have the feeling of a distance/bus. I mean maybe, but I'm not interested today.



What I find interesting is how Delta approached CooLDoG/Haylen versus how he approached Porochaz.

With CD/Haylen, Delta very aggressively pushed their lynch, and yelled for them to die. He made some decent points (which was what gave me a town read on him overall).

Delta votes Poro in #1065 (ISO 77)

In his very next post, he's attacking Leela for attacking Porochaz.
Then he attacks Leela again (and is 'not voting Leela' because he 'likes his vote on Poro better')

Poro is totally the play for today. I think it would be going places if there wasn't so much V/LA around here.

Iso 84 he attacks Leela for voting Porochaz with his vote on Porochaz... glad to see I was reading the thread on vacation (facepalm)
Hmmm. He's been attacking Leela for ages and ages. Ages. And ages.

Ages and ages and ages.
He has a very, very natural place for his vote to go when he gets off Porochaz. Leela. Delta has been attacking Leela forever.

Here's what I'm thinking.

The case on Poro is that he was distancing from MoS.

MoS is scummy.

Therefore: VOTE: MoS

This lynch has a high chance of hitting scum while lending some credence to Poro's claim at the same time.

I... honestly don't know what to make of that. Leela was pushing him since forever, but when it came to unvoting, then Delta suddenly goes after... MoS? Who he'd barely expressed an opinion on?

Whatever.

Vote: PeregrineV

[Mastermind of Sin]

Delta was obviously distancing from Leela, who is scum like I was telling you bitches forever ago. However, after distancing was done he didn't want to go back and put attention on his buddy again.

Also, pretty sure I am basically 100% obvtown now. LoL pretty funny right?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Leela, Prozac, PeregrineV, Iam. 4 candidates, likely 2 of whom are scum.

Even better yet, wagon analysis gives us PeregrineV vs Iam and Leela vs Prozac.

I really like the PV/Leela/Delta combo, although I'd have to go back and look at PV/Leela interactions.

[Porochaz]

Really, WTF in regards to UN... its fucking punch myself in the face obvious...

[UberNinja]

Really, WTF in regards to UN... its fucking punch myself in the face obvious...

Go punch yourself in the face then.

(Not really, I saw pictures of you and you look really nice.)

[jasonT1981]

Delta was obviously distancing from Leela, who is scum like I was telling you bitches forever ago. However, after distancing was done he didn't want to go back and put attention on his buddy again.

Also, pretty sure I am basically 100% obvtown now. LoL pretty funny right?

This I could see, Leela is playing better than Capt M, providing more insight but I still can not look past the Capt M stuff. PereV though is my preferred lynch today. Iam, Uber and Gray are town, our entire QT agrees with me on that matter.