Open 391 - Theft on Cookie Island - Town Wins

[Rainbowdash]

I don't think that Thomith is town for claiming cop - in fact every part of him screams scum and I'm fully planning on getting him lynched today.

I would still be willing to do this.

unvote

I actually want to see Thomith and Chrimi make some posts here about what they think is going on.

[Rainbowdash]

@Thomith - If you really are cop just claim it now, because the optimal gameplay changes if you are cop. I guess I can ask this to sando as well because I have been running numbers and have a forced win in a sando-cop case. In the following

OOTN, sando, AcRv and FD are confirmed town through role information

You lynch either Thomith or Chrimi, if scum just call blocks for auto-win.

If town, go for block (scum have to go for OOTN kill) and cop should mop up win.

If Thomith is cop...

OOTN, Thomith, AcRv and myself are town, PM probably... so its not quite a forced win.

We lynch, hit scum and JK rudown for a win. Hit town... JK has about 50/50 of stopping kill for insta win, but scum still forced to go for JK so it brings another pony to AcRv cleared status... yeah that may be a near forced win.

Really unless anypony think that PM-myself is the last two scum, we have this game won essentially once I get confirmation on who the cop is. Gameplaying time is over, gamebreaking time is now.

[Thomith]

ugh... my inno is on RD which is why i didn't want to out and was going to let it slide today, but if we can break the game and win then...
probably my worst game ever but lets get this win over with.

[Rainbowdash]

I throw my hooves up in the air some times...
singing hey-o and what the buck...

Alright.... alright... I thought that was obvious I was town but this is not the end of the world.

Think Dash think.

AcRv didnt kill Thomith... which means he still is probably town

That means its down to sando/PM/chrimi/FD... OOTN should let Thomith die tonight and go for the block instead since if we hit it we get another lynch, meaning scum decide if they want an all or none move or not.

Also yay... I was totally right in this was sando being coy it seems. At least im not being completely worthless in reading ponies like I thought there for a bit.

ANYWAY

Four unclear: PM/Chrimi/sando/FD (technically AcRv but no... he is town)

That makes a ton more sense. Ton ton ton ton ton.

I want to give brownie points to sando for that cop fakeclaim, but not sure how many are really deserved. I also want to call PM town again because of the dead Hikari and PM would have known Hikari wasnt cop.

So Chrimi-FD. That makes a lot more sense.

Its probably it but imma sleep on it.

My imaginary vote is on Chirmi though.

[Thomith]

yeah, i did in case you were scum leading us because i can't read you well, so wanted to be sure, and felt so stupid after i was going to let it ride so i have a better report.

[Om of the Nom]

VOTE: Chrimi
I want this lynch so badly.

Scum would have left me alive in the off-chance that you guys were going to pursue me if there wasn't a cop claim.

[Rainbowdash]

Scum would have left me alive in the off-chance that you guys were going to pursue me if there wasn't a cop claim.

No...

Scum left you alive because they are pretty desperate and wanted to take the cop down instead of taking the safer (and argueably correct regardless) path killing you. There is zero way you ever would have gotten lynched because if you were scum it would mean only you and when game doesnt end on a F6 mislynch you are caught.

I was entirely floored when you were alive to start the day, and just blew right by all standard sanity checks when Hikari was the one dead.

@OOTN - Are you still blocking PM if Chirmi flips scum?

[Sando]

Sorry, did Thomith just counter-claim me?

I'm not in any way fakeclaiming, I AM THE COP.

You'll note day1 I thought AcRv was scum and ignored him day2. You wanted to know why I went back to FuD day2, I lost my main focus as a target overnight due to investigate.

Thomith is now 100% scum.

/vote Thomith

RD wtf? Your reaction to a counter-claim is to believe one and give town points to the other person?! I can understand believing the wrong person, people make mistakes, but not thinking that the one who you think fake-claimed is at least probable scum, what? You think I fakeclaimed, as town, and gave two of my biggest targets town-points?

I'm being turned back to scumread on RD due to this, but I can't fathom how this is a gambit. I can't see how scum would plan a move like this, and it would be a planned thing, if they are scum together there's no way this happened organically. I'm racking my brain trying to come up with a good scenario in this for RD scum due to the ease she's been pulled to Thomith (and thinks I'm town fakeclaiming?!?!) but I cannot, I'm still on my 'no way would scum do this' even though I don't like the actual play.

What happens if OOTN blocks the cop and then dies himself? Does the cop get a result? If so, that's the obvious move, they either kill OOTN and give the cop a result, or they can't kill either cop of JK.

[Om of the Nom]

No, I'm starting to prefer blocking Thomith more.

[Sando]

Alright, this is silly, we kill Thomith today, AcRv and FuD, you are clear as town, it is bad play to leave Thomith alive.

Even if I die tonight you are left with 3 confirmed townies tomorrow out of 6, vote as a block and we win.

I'm done being led, Thomith said he wasn't the cop when I claimed, then magically took it back? No.

Thomith should 100% die today, there is literally no town-motivation for him to have fake-claimed after I claimed.

[Thomith]

I was going to let it slide because my report was obv town because i wanted to be sure, thats why i "wasnt the cop" when you claimed.

[Om of the Nom]

Who did you investigate and on which nights?
Both of you answer that.

[AcRv]

I breadcrumbed cop to draw in the nightkill because i didn't think that many people would notice it but it would be noticeable enough to give the real cop another night to get a report, i know it was dumb, but i thought a cop would be more useful to me at that point.

I can see someone drawing the kill. Some players make a habit of that, actually.

If I was scum I would've killed OOTN

As simple as that.

These scum are fucking stupid xD

Really don't like this post - doesn't say anything other than "I wouldn't do that as scum"... really looks like he's trying to distance himself from the events that happened...

Ommy can't physically be scum guys - we have two cop claims, and one dead scum. Think about it - we'd have another JK claim if he were scum.

Guys, Thomith is the fake claim.

I breadcrumbed cop to draw in the nightkill because i didn't think that many people would notice it but it would be noticeable enough to give the real cop another night to get a report, i know it was dumb, but i thought a cop would be more useful to me at that point.

ugh... my inno is on RD which is why i didn't want to out and was going to let it slide today, but if we can break the game and win then...
probably my worst game ever but lets get this win over with.

You said you were drawing the night kill, but then gave a report and claimed to be cop. Really? Really?
VOTE: Thomith

[Sando]

You basically had a guilty on me for fake-claiming... nice try but no, you're scum.

I've stated who is innocent, and I hypo'd to say AcRv on D2. N1 I investigated AcRv and N2 I investigated FuD.

[Thomith]

N1 i investigated Hiraki N2 RD
both inno, when you lynch me just remember sando is scum for sure and you should lynch them next.
VOTE: sando

[AcRv]

The circumstances of Sando's claim make much more sense than yours. After the claim from Sando, I point out your breadcrumb. You say it was to draw the night kill. I would have been okay with that, but then you go and out a report on someone! If you were really cop, you would have said straight away you were seeing if scum would CC, not gone and said "I was drawing the kill", and then change your mind later on.

[Thomith]

I had a inno on an obv town because i was stupid and went to cautious so i was going to wait until i got a better report.

[AcRv]

I never brought up who the inno was on... I brought up that you CHANGED YOUR MIND AS TO WHAT ROLE YOU WERE.

I put that in caps because then you can't miss the point.

[Sando]

I had a inno on an obv town because i was stupid and went to cautious so i was going to wait until i got a better report.

So you thought a scum getting away with a fakeclaim today was a good idea? Nope.

[Thomith]

i thought it would be better for town if i had better reports, as my reports were useless anyway i thought i would ride it out to get a better one.

[Om of the Nom]

VOTE: Thomith

[AcRv]

I don't like that you're ignoring the fact you changed your mind about your role.

[Thomith]

I didn;t change my mind on my role, i know i am cop and have already explained why i did what i did.

[Om of the Nom]

But your explanation doesn't hold up.

[Thomith]

why not? if i am useless i saw no point in claiming so decided to just let it slide for a day to claim tommurrow.