Open 391 - Theft on Cookie Island - Town Wins

[Om of the Nom]

It doesn't hold up because it's not consistent. You changed your reason multiple times, and it doesn't look believable.

[Thomith]

i dont see where i changed my reason.

[Sando]

why not? if i am useless i saw no point in claiming so decided to just let it slide for a day to claim tommurrow.

You're not useless as a cop in that position, I would be scum fake-claiming you, as good as a scum result.

There is no motivation for vanilla townie to act as I did, to not only claim cop (to misdirect scum?) but to claim two innocents as well? I was obviously either scum or cop, if you were cop you would have known I was scum, not 'let it slide'...

[AcRv]

... So let me get this straight - you were going to hold onto an investigation report and risk dying without getting the chance to share it?

Why am I not believing this? RainbowDash made it pretty darn clear that it'd be beneficial for cop to claim today - why wait for someone else to claim first?

[Thomith]

If i died sando would be lynched anyway, plus my report was obv town so i thought it wouldnt matter much, also most likely your results actually are innocent as scum wouldnt fake an innocent on their buddy in case they got lynched and flipped goon.

[Om of the Nom]

Whether or not you investigate obvtown, you should still claim and claim your results if you are a cop.

[Thomith]

i'll remember that next time, but after i die you better get sando.

[Om of the Nom]

Yeah, if you flip cop then we will obviously lynch Sando. If you flip scum, then Sando is obv cop.

[AcRv]

Hmmm...

I've got to go to bed now, but tomorrow I'll reread Thomith and Sando tomorrow...

[projectmatt]

If i died sando would be lynched anyway, plus my report was obv town so i thought it wouldnt matter much, also most likely your results actually are innocent as scum wouldnt fake an innocent on their buddy in case they got lynched and flipped goon.

So Thomith, let me get this straight -

The motivation of claiming that your cop claim wasn't valid was so that you could avoid a nightkill?

Why did you investigate who you did?

First of all, I need to understand the motivation. If Thomith is the scum here, what's the reasoning for leaving a breadcrumb like that behind?

I almost want to vote him but I'm going to make this fair.

[Thomith]

i investigated rainbowdash because i can't read them and wanted to be sure they were not scum leading us astray.

[FuDuzn]

Matt, you have never fake breadcrumbed cop as scum before? Or have never seen someone do it? I am almost more weary when someone breadcrumbs like this.

And really you investigated RD last night when it became almost clear that she was town? Why not someone like Chrimi or myself?

[Thomith]

i investigated rainbowdash because i can't read them and wanted to be sure they were not scum leading us astray.

[Rainbowdash]

Nopony do anything until I get back from taking a friend to the airport.

This is exactly what I was worried about happening tomorrow if we didnt sort out sando/Thomith and now its happening today. I think we still got it in the bag forced but want to be sure and have no time to run the numbers.

[Rainbowdash]

Its one of the following pairings though

sando-PM (unlikely)
sando-AcRv (unlikely)
sando-FD
sando-Chrimi
Thomith-Chrimi
Thomith-PM (highly unlikely)

The only problem I have with jumping right on the Thomith lynch today is that he ony really works with Chrimi who stayed on Thomith after my big speech yesterday unless we want to believe that a Thomith-PM team missed the fact that Hikari (to them) couldnt be the cop. Also if we are wrong... we actually lose out on a forced win.

Sando makes a ton more sense as the cop I think given that I dont see him fake countering Thomith today as scum.

We have two options

1) No lynch
2) Lynch Chrimi

I think chrimi lynch is actually the right move as I think more and more about it. He is one of two (other being PM) who work with both cop claims. Lynching him allows both cops to fire off actions, as the WILL both be unprotected. In the event he is town we get a six alive D4 that sando has a "Thomith and X" pairing all laid out, which gets fired back with a "sando and X" after a no lynch (or sooner). This means worst case scenario we enter lylo with a pairing vs pairing situation.

While if I had to choose for cop I would pick sando as the real one by quite a bit, this is just the most conservative way to get this win. A Chrimi lynch, where IF HE IS SCUM - OOTN blocks Thomith for a two day max forced win.

Vote Chrimi

[Quaroath]

Vote Count 3.01

Chrimi - 2 (FuDuzn, Rainbowdash)
Thomith - 3 (Sando, AcRv, Om of the Nom)
Sando - 1 (Thomith)
Not Voting - 2 (Chrimi, Projectmatt)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline for Day 3 is 6/25/2012 at 11:59 PM PST

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[projectmatt]

I actually think that Thomith is the fake.

But I'm actually inclined to jump on the Chimi wagon ATM because I think between the non cops he would be the scum or another one of them. (There has to be another scum, right? If not, it's auto between cops right now.) just after I go ISO him again.

I'll be away tomorrow so I'll try to throw up a vote and reasoning tonight

[Rainbowdash]

I actually think that Thomith is the fake.

But I'm actually inclined to jump on the Chimi wagon ATM because I think between the non cops he would be the scum or another one of them. (There has to be another scum, right? If not, it's auto between cops right now.) just after I go ISO him again.

I'll be away tomorrow so I'll try to throw up a vote and reasoning tonight

No. You are overcomplicating things

Here is what we know

1) OOTN is confirmed town
2) Exactly one of Thomith and sando are scum
3) If sando is scum, exactly one of PM/Chrimi/AcRv/FD are scum
4) If Thomith is scum, exactly one of PM/Chrimi/RBD are scum

If we lynch somepony on both lists (PM/Chrimi), we are faced with one of two situations

1) We hit scum, in which OOTN has his block called and we finish it up quickly
2) We hit town, OOTN throws away his block, and we have:

1) sando claiming an exact team
2) Thomith probably claiming a team (since AcRv is 99% town) - Note, if Thomith investigates AcRv I am lynching him outside of inconclusive proof sando is scum

The only way this at all is a difficult win from where I am is if the pairing is sando-FD.

Really though I dont think Chrimi and PM are both town... so one of them has to be scum and Hikari dying I really dont think PM would have had happen without a massive oversight.

Worst case we possibly have here is a team vs team callout in F5. Best case we lynch Chrimi scum and thats the game today.

Actually......

hmmmm......

Im thinking on risk benifit for a little on a move. Im going to need some cards though for it.

[Om of the Nom]

Shall I join you on the Chrimi wagon again, or should I just wait?

[Rainbowdash]

Wait.

Im going to bust out the playing cards tonight and figure this all out.

[Chrimi]

Oh great. A chrimi wagon. ._.

Too bad I can't do anything, HAHA!

No, seriously tho, I'll post something... eventually...

[AcRv]

Sando's lying.

Oh shit, my bad there too,

I read it as either 2 JK or a JK and cop

, oops.

If you read it like that I'd've thought you'd claim to show that Ommy must have been lying - with Amrun being dead and flipping JK, you would logically have said "I'm cop and because of the setup Ommy can't be a JK" in post 680 if you genuinely thought that it was either 2 JK or JK and Cop.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sando

[Om of the Nom]

VOTE: Sando
I like the way you think AcRv.

[AcRv]

I like the way you compliment me Ommy.

[Sando]

Yes, up until that point on Day 2 I thought Om was scum, I wasn't going to immediately jump up and down about having 'caught' scum in that way with my first real post of the day, I wasn't sure of my options and I stayed quiet...

for half an hour

while I looked at things and realised I'd gotten things wrong. I 'knew' which option I thought it was when I said:

Either he's a JK and there's just 2 scum, or he's scum and there's 2 other scum.

I was not being genuine when I said that, it was something I wanted to point out to town without outing myself as cop, I knew Om was scum at that point, realised I'd misread the roles after that.

I'm not particularly forthright with claims until forced to be, I didn't do it today with my first post even though I had 2 innocent alives and thought I should, I was open to suggestions from others on whether I should claim, hence my first post.