TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[UberNinja]

what does your QT think about Poro and MoS?

[PeregrineV]

Not scum, but my reads are for crap so far. I thought Haylen and Slaxx were both scum.

If Poro is scum faking tracker, then he either took a chance on town-Uberninja not going anywhere night1, or he's lying about scum-Uberninja night1.
If he is a town tracker, than he could have tracked Uber nowhere on n1 and could have been blocked n2. If Uber is scum, he could have not done the kill n1.

I'll accept the Poro=tracker thing.

@Uberninja- Do I think you would lynch your GF at the end of the day after defending him all day?

so please explain your train of thought as to why i as scum would out of the blue lynch my godfather yesterday after defending him all fucking day

Yes.
Do I think you did?
Not sure.

[Captain Leela]

Meh...these votes on Uberninja are lazy and stupid.

I don't understand how either of you can suspect Uberninja for her actions when it follows a very logical progression if you read through yesterday. So, she changed a town read...she was right.

What is the scum motivation or benefit for her to make Deltawave the most viable wagon? It seems like an insanely silly thing to do.

Porochaz you're sounding too much like Deltawave for my taste. There's a very good reason for why she voted you after you claimed. You claimed it in a wall. Not everyone reads walls. So to Delta, I couldn't possibly have forgotten reading a post, though it's stupid to think I couldn't. And, to you, UN couldn't possibly have missed your claim, though it's just quite possible she didn't read your wall. Deltawave tried to throw suspicion my way at the end of the day through my predecessor because it was easier than coming at me directly, and you're attacking the way that UN came to her read instead of looking at how natural of a process it was.

Iam raises some good points in Post 1380 too.

vote: Porochaz

[iamausername]

If Poro is scum faking tracker, then he either took a chance on town-Uberninja not going anywhere night1, or he's lying about scum-Uberninja night1.

UberNinja claimed VT in post 1061, well before Prozac's claim. There was no chance taken.

(Yes, it's behind a spoiler tag and easily missed, and I could easily believe that Prozac missed it if he was working alone, but he's got three other brains working with him. I don't see all four of them missing it.)

[UberNinja]

damn it iama what did i tell you about the spoilers?

i haven't finished this game yet

[CooLDoG]

Really, WTF in regards to UN... its fucking punch myself in the face obvious...

If we lynch a townie today instead of uberninja grey ice is going to have hell to pay. And I mean hell to pay.

Who here is going to defend the circle jerk between UN/dw/greyice? Someone please do.

[UberNinja]

Really, WTF in regards to UN... its fucking punch myself in the face obvious...

If we lynch a townie today instead of uberninja grey ice is going to have hell to pay. And I mean hell to pay.

Who here is going to defend the circle jerk between UN/dw/greyice? Someone please do.

question:

why is GREYICE gonna have hell to pay instead of ME?

theoretically, if i was not lynched, and i was scum, then wouldn't i still be alive come dawn of the next day?

better work on your order of operations there Mr.

[UberNinja]

trying to decide if that's a scum slip or just an further admittance of stupidity...

[PeregrineV]

If Poro is scum faking tracker, then he either took a chance on town-Uberninja not going anywhere night1, or he's lying about scum-Uberninja night1.

UberNinja claimed VT in post 1061, well before Prozac's claim. There was no chance taken.

(Yes, it's behind a spoiler tag and easily missed, and I could easily believe that Prozac missed it if he was working alone, but he's got three other brains working with him. I don't see all four of them missing it.)

What if UN is/was lying with his VT claim? They'd be caught with a fakeclaim and lynched.
They'd be on safer ground fake-tracking Glork or one of thier own.

[PeregrineV]

Really, WTF in regards to UN... its fucking punch myself in the face obvious...

If we lynch a townie today instead of uberninja grey ice is going to have hell to pay. And I mean hell to pay.

Who here is going to defend the circle jerk between UN/dw/greyice? Someone please do.

question:

why is GREYICE gonna have hell to pay instead of ME?

theoretically, if i was not lynched, and i was scum, then wouldn't i still be alive come dawn of the next day?

better work on your order of operations there Mr.

ISO GreyIce. CRTL+F Delta. Read.

[UberNinja]

gonna have to come back to that PV. remind me

[hasdgfas]

PeregrineV(3): Mastermind of Sin, jasonT1981, GreyICE
Porochaz(3): iamausername, UberNinja, Captain Leela
UberNinja(2): CooLDoG, Porochaz


Not voting: PeregrineV

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is June 19

[Mastermind of Sin]

PV today, Leela tomorrow, town win. Let's do this.

[UberNinja]

Right now I'm of the mind that Leela is probtown... but then again, maybe her epic amount of posting on replacing in was to try to clear up the suspicion on her slot...

I'll think about it.

Unvote; Vote: PeregrineV

[CooLDoG]

Really, WTF in regards to UN... its fucking punch myself in the face obvious...

If we lynch a townie today instead of uberninja grey ice is going to have hell to pay. And I mean hell to pay.

Who here is going to defend the circle jerk between UN/dw/greyice? Someone please do.

question:

why is GREYICE gonna have hell to pay instead of ME?

theoretically, if i was not lynched, and i was scum, then wouldn't i still be alive come dawn of the next day?

better work on your order of operations there Mr.

Because every single one of his reads have been 100% wrong. But you are correct, if you aren't lynched today you will be lynched tomorrow no questions. So enjoy your last day alive. Also, are you this stupid? What sort of question is this? Go back to EM.

Also, what pere said. Grey has literally been giving you a blow job for the entirety of this game.

[UberNinja]

Really, WTF in regards to UN... its fucking punch myself in the face obvious...

If we lynch a townie today instead of uberninja grey ice is going to have hell to pay. And I mean hell to pay.

Who here is going to defend the circle jerk between UN/dw/greyice? Someone please do.

question:

why is GREYICE gonna have hell to pay instead of ME?

theoretically, if i was not lynched, and i was scum, then wouldn't i still be alive come dawn of the next day?

better work on your order of operations there Mr.

Because every single one of his reads have been 100% wrong.

People with reads that are 100% wrong are almost as useful as people with reads that are 100% right. Just use them as an inverse barometer.

It's the scumbags that are 40-70% right that you have to watch out for.

But you are correct, if you aren't lynched today you will be lynched tomorrow no questions.

Lol, no

Also, are you this stupid? What sort of question is this? Go back to EM.

How about you stop making childish insults and answer my fucking question, boy

Also, what pere said. Grey has literally been giving you a blow job for the entirety of this game.

Not only is that physically impossible, it's not true.

[PeregrineV]

So, before I claim I'm going to insist on answers to a few questions. Once that is done, I'll give my reads, and my team wants me to give theirs also.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV(4): Mastermind of Sin, jasonT1981, GreyICE, UberNinja
Porochaz(3): iamausername, Captain Leela
UberNinja(2): CooLDoG, Porochaz
Not voting: PeregrineV
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Let's start with this.

MoS-

...and you think I'm scum

why

, again?

I haven't found a reason for your vote for me. I appreciate that is nice and convenient for you, but if you are town, then you need to provide one.

In addition, really dubious work on your VCA. I noticed you went back to day1.

Spoiler: MOS posts-VCA and reasonless vote

Haylen(7): iamausername, GreyICE, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx, DeltaWave, Glork

DeltaWave(4): jasonT1981, Captain Murasa, CooLDoG, Mastermind of Sin
Glork(1): Haylen
Uberninja(1): Porochaz

I am betting at least 1-2 scum on the Haylen wagon, 0-1 scum on Delta wagon, and 0-1 scum off both wagons. Considering that Haylen and Prozac were the only two off both wagons, I'll just amend that to 2 scum on the Haylen wagon, 1 scum off the Haylen wagon. I'm fairly certain that's a reasonable proposition.

That means 2 of iamausername, GreyICE, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx, and DeltaWave are scum, and 1 of jasonT1981, Captain Murasa, CooLDoG, and Prozac are scum.

I'm willing to let jasonT1981, CooLDoG, and GreyICE pass for now, based on previous evidence of them being probstown. That leaves the following:

2 of iamausername, PeregrineV, UberNinja, Slaxx, DeltaWave
1 of Captain Murasa and Prozac

PoE gives us a hell of a good chance to find scum in either group. I think we should take a closer look at these 7 players today and in the upcoming days, because there's a damn good chance it holds our entire scumgroup. We shouldn't forget about the other 3, but they can sit on the backburner for now as far as lynching goes.

More analysis to come, but I especially want to see what Captain Murasa and Prozac have to say about each other. To a lesser extent I'd also like to get opinions from the group of 5 on each other as well.

Looking back at this post and VC, it seems pretty obvious that one of iamausername, PeregrineV, and UberNinja is mafia. I doubt all of them were on that wagon, though.

So PeregrineV is scum. That's easy enough.

Vote: PeregrineV

And while I realize it may only

appear

useless, it's probably chock full o' goodness and I'm just to uneducated to realize it. You can educate me by directing me to 3 or 4 other games in 2011 or 2012 that town-MoS did a VCA. I will then look at those and be enlightened.
Otherwise, I will reach a different conclusion.

[Porochaz]

If Poro is scum faking tracker, then he either took a chance on town-Uberninja not going anywhere night1, or he's lying about scum-Uberninja night1.

UberNinja claimed VT in post 1061, well before Prozac's claim. There was no chance taken.

(Yes, it's behind a spoiler tag and easily missed, and I could easily believe that Prozac missed it if he was working alone, but he's got three other brains working with him. I don't see all four of them missing it.)

Ah but you missed the bit where I said I was working alone. (That was until nacho replaced in and ignored my request to doing this by myself - he by the way, thinks almost the opposite of me)

Also a defence of "the post is tooo loooOOOOng..." is not a defence. Your /in to play the game, so fucking play it. Also slaxx and delta posted about it before UN posted. If he didn't read my post then that might be fair. But not two other non wall posts.

[PeregrineV]

@GreyIce-

I'm going to vote Porochaz or PeregrineV.
Whatever.

Vote: PeregrineV

You too have neglected to give a reason for voting me. You can use the classic response of calling me scum, but I'll save you a post and follow up now.
"If you think I'm scum, GreyIce, why am I scum?"

Unfortunately for you, I have GreyIce on my side. He will analyze my wagon and find scum.

DeltaWave(4): Glork, jasonT1981, Captain Murasa, Mastermind of Sin

Fucking delta wagon is a scum driven pile of junk and needs to die.

He will review my last 10 games and give the status and the circumstances under which I died as town.

DeltaWave - I checked his last 10 games. He'd been mislynched in every one except the ones where he survived til endgame. His team would literally have to be on hardcore drugs to give him a scum PM.

Obviously a team could choose to give a scum PM to a weaker member. I'd say that's what happened with CooLDoG's team, but... [Bud Bidderskins, CooLDoG, mykonian, theamatuer]... I think they actually gave the scum PM to the strongest player on the team. Or at least one of the stronger ones.

Soooo, Glork basically is avoiding pushing ANYONE I read as scum, and to boot is avoiding pushing ANYONE who is an experienced player who might successfully push back. His votes look like a who is who of potential mislynches in this game.

Glork = scum. Ignore emotional tells and fervor with experienced players. Most any of us can fake it if we wish. Pay attention to motivation and quality. As I said last year "Oh my god! You do suck. And guess what? Sucking, from a strong player, is a scumtell."

He will examine my team and the other teams and thier flips

Spoiler: Team Mafia games/flips as of this post

Announcing: Team Mafia 2012

The Sign Up Thread is here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21870

Team Name	White Flag	Closed Normal	"Almost Normal"	Scummies	Back Room
Screaming Death Clan	Sociopath	XXXXX	Fate	xReckonerX	SpyreX
Three Dicks and a Lady	LLamarble	GreyICE	XXXXX	MagnaofIllusion	Lady Lambdadelta
No Pressure	Cogito Ergo Sum	Glork	CrashTextDummie	XXXXX	chamber
Team BIFADMVOC	XXXXX	Uberninja	SleepyKrew	BBmolla	Chesskid3
Single Entendre	Amrun	XXXXX	Untrod Tripod	Kublai Khan	kuribo
The Kliq II	Zachrulez	JasonT1981	Sotty7	XXXXX	Debonair Danny Dipietro
Team Discovery Channel	Matias	iamausername	Rhinox	The Fonz	XXXXX
Team Beat Alls	Regfan	Slaxx	Nicodemus	Magua	XXXXX
Nonsensical Parma Ham Cupcakes	XXXXX	Haylen	Katsuki	Quilford	Parama
Dissonant Consensus	Benmage	Masterofsin	XXXXX	T-Bone	Yosarian2
Event Horizon Penis Trolls	Bud Bidderskins	CooLDoG	mykonian	theamatuer	XXXXX
The Captains	Captain Falcon	Captain Leela (Tammy)	XXXXX	Captain Ajax	Captain Ajax Captain Corporal
Almighty Lumberjacks	XXXXX	DeltaWave	Slandaar	DeasVail	4nxi3ty
Balls Deep Ballas	Nachomamma8	Porochaz	Ellibereth	XXXXX	kison
The Parallax Consortium	Johhog	PeregrineV	XXXXX	Zar	Isa
Nuwen and The Skittles	singersigner	XXXXX	Korts	hitogoroshi	Nuwen

and the link to Team mafia table

Oh man, please don't start doing a Junpei on me (basing attacks based on whether or not you think the person in question got a scum PM.

Really, how can you be so sure that Glork's team gave him a scum PM?
Also hey, maybe DeltaWave has realised that he's been mislynched a lot lately and is using that to his advantage as scum?

But DeltaWave is NOT using it to his advantage! If DeltaWave had brought it up, I would have happily lynched him!

I brought it up. DeltaWave has never, ever mentioned it.

As for 'pulling a junpei' I don't even know what you mean. Look at last year's team mafia, for fucks sake. Scum was:

Hoopla, Faraday, Papa Zito, Llamarble, DrippingGoofball, Mith, Fugitive, Fate, Nachomamma8, Ythill, Swiftstrike, SingerSigner.

I mean which names on that list would you not expect to be scum? Llamarble, who was easily the strongest player on his team. Swiftstrike, on a team full of mediocre scum players. SingerSigner, on a team full of TERRIBLE scum players (cyberbob? Quadz? Servei?)

DO YOU THINK THIS IS FUCKING IRRELEVANT TO THIS YEAR?

[/quote]

He will argue with anyone that doesn't accept this logic:

Spoiler: GreyIce argues about player towniness & more team role assignment

Let's put this into a hypothetical here. If given the option, do you think I would have taken the scum PM? Assuming my team didn't care which one I chose.

Also DeltaWave is totally not obvtown.

If you were given the option, I doubt you would have. You already said that you don't think your scumplay is very good. While for something like CYS this isn't a big deal (if you pick scum then get lynched, well, what was the other option? Pick town and have less fun?) for a team game you'd be worried about letting down your team. I don't think you'd want to let down your team.

And why is this about you anyway?

Deltawave. Is. Obvtown.

We are not lynching DeltaWave today.

Moreover, lets look at the teams, and who got scum PMs:

Evolution:

PranaDevil Chris B bristep

swiftstrike

-- 0 --

Ragnarök

Kise Thor 665

Nachomamma8

Iecerint -- 50 -- --

Radioactive Sparkly Kittens

Lady LambdaDelta

DrippingGoofball

esuriospiritus UncertainKitten -- 50 --

Screaming Death Clan

SpyreX SocioPath

Fate

XReckonerX -- 50 --

Punny Pony Party People

Faraday

Equinox hitogoroshi Mina -- 50 --

The Mauve Avengers

GreyICE InflatablePie

Fugitive

Katsuki -- 50 --

Team http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHpaX5af8xc

Hoopla mith

Yosarian2

Ythill

-- 50 --

The Four Horsemen of Apocalypse

Super Smash Bros. Fan

Llamarable

ConSpiracy animorpherv1 -- 50 --

Failboat on a river of blood

Papa Zito

LLamaFluff camn populartajo -- 50 --

Team Fra Fra

quadz08 Sevei Cyberbob

singersigner

-- 0 –

Murasa.

I repeat.

Look at this list.

Look at the list of scum from last year's team mafia.

Tell me the role assignment even APPROACHES random. Because it's not even fucking close.



Deltawave is obvtown because he doesn't give a shit about the votes on him and is still scumhunting.

Compare to Haylen.

Now put your fucking vote on Haylen, where it fucking belongs. Lets lynch scum today.

He will reinforce this by physically pulling my last 10 town games, with links, and explain how I ended up in each one.

Spoiler: GreyIce pulls games with links to support townliness

Yes, Grey, if my team had gotten a scum role PM, they definitely would have taken literally one of the two or three best protown players in the history of mafia (who you even said earlier is a very mediocre scum player) out of the equation, in favor of forcing him to play an alignment that he hasn't had to exercise that skillset in well over a year. Makes perfect sense, strategically. Let's take our players OUT of where they are comfortable and instead set them up to fail. You're talking from both sides of the mouth here if you really think I'm scum.

I'll be completely frank. Aside from the Haylen situation (and only because it's a major reason CES thinks I should lynch her), I haven't considered who might have been given scum role PMs. Other than a quick jaunt through last year's White Flag a month or two ago, I also haven't really taken any significant time to look at anything from last year's Team Mafia either. It's looking like maybe I should.

But if you want to go down this path, Grey I have a serious question for you: Have you gone to look at Delta's scum games? I'll admit that I have not yet done so myself, but if he's been nothing but lynchfodder on D1 or in LyLo, wouldn't giving him a town role PM be tantamount to committing throwing a game?

Nope! In point of fact, it's not a bad idea at all. First, this hopefully isn't just DeltaWave. It's DeltaWave + 3. For instance, JasonT1981 is not the strongest town player on the planet. But if he's town, it's Jason, Sotty7, Zachrulez, and Debonair Danny Dipietro feeding that slot. Feeding the slot reads, feeding the slot logic, feeding the slot reasoning. That's an improvement.

With luck, they're listening. Sure, you occasionally get the PeregrineVs of the world, but most people don't go into team mafia with the stated goal of totally ignoring their team.

Now Glork, you're apparently a big fan of meta. There is Glork slobber all over the throbbing metacock right now. Tons of it.

So, Glork, you never even checked DeltaWave's meta? Are you fucking serious?

Gay Mafia - Scum http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21301
Died day 4 (goddamn flavor)

Mini 1269 - Town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=19526
mislynched day 1

Mini 1252 - Town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=19211
Mislynched day 2

Mini 1248 - Town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=19143
Survived to endgame

Newbie 1149 - Town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=18773
Mislynched day 2

Open 337 - Town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=350
Survived to endgame

Pick your Poison - Town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=18785
Mislynched day 3

Orange Box (Dunno dun care, game made Blood Bowl look well designed)

Modern Family Mafia - Town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18943
Mislynched day 5

You see
Why
I hate you
Going after him
Captain "I SLOBBER ALL OVER AT THE SOUND OF THE WORD META" Glork?

Having been also called

"most likely to be mislynched without deliberately claiming scum or trolling the town by fakeclaiming."

GreyIce will continue to argue that out of Zar, Isa, Johhog and myself, we would have to be such a pile of blithering idiots to give me a scum PM that it obviously had to go to a more quality player (and not Zar, his game is over and he is town also).

Spoiler: GreyIce points out how bad players don't get scum PMs

CES is probably right there. However, I just don't see DeltaWave getting the scum PM. Slandaar thinks he's hot shit as scum (look at Blood Bowl and his comments postgame),

DeusVail is a quality player, and DeltaWave? He's a fucking disaster.

In any case, I'd say at this point, you're basically sitting on a wagon you don't really have high hopes on in order to spite me.

Am I wrong?

Anyone that doesn't answer, will answer to him. It will be in your own words why you are voting me.

Anyway, to the rest of DeltaWave voters... why are you still doing that? Since Glork's reasons are now self-admitted shit, I want you to justify, IN YOUR OWN WORDS why your vote is still there.

Hey MoS, why are you voting for DeltaWave right now? I asked you this, now I ask you it again. References to unique opinions not your own are required.

GreyIce will not tolerate shit like this:

Vote: PeregrineV

So, GreyIce, I appreciate the lengths that you will go through to prove and defend my townness.

[PeregrineV]

@Jason-

Right now my bet is on PereV being scum out of that list, I see UN and Iam as town right now.

VOTE: pereV

Good thing this isn't Vegas, since you would lose that one.

Fortunately, this is a game of mafia, and you can do more than bet. You can scumhunt. GreyIce will be spending many an hour and many a post showing why I'm town. You could perhaps help him by offering to follow up on some of his deliverables.

Or you can go your own way and prove why I am town or why I am scum.

[PeregrineV]

Right now I'm of the mind that Leela is probtown... but then again, maybe her epic amount of posting on replacing in was to try to clear up the suspicion on her slot...

I'll think about it.

Unvote; Vote: PeregrineV

My dearest Uber....
You promised to make yourself useful. Go do so by reading my posts I just made. You can start by commenting on those, maybe following up on anything you have questions on.
Then, seeing as you're fairly happy to vote anyone, we'll get you voting scum before the day is out.

Fair deal?

[iamausername]

UNVOTE: Porochaz
VOTE: PeregrineV

[Porochaz]

You are a terrible player.

[UberNinja]

Who are you talking about, Porochaz?

Unvote; Vote: GreyICE

Let's see where this goes, PV.