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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:10 pm

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Yates wrote:Well. This is all a pile of crap. I can address each of these in reverse order.


No it isn't, and just for that I'm gunna remix your remix back to normal sucker! Reverse order, what the f-cannons?!?!? O.o

Yates wrote:1. Define "avoiding your wagon." I haven't jumped on it, that's for sure, but as ALL of the links above attest I have CLEARLY engaged your wagon and discussed your wagon. That's the opposite of "avoiding your wagon." The last time I let someone strong arm me into jumping on a wagon was when I voted MoI on his dare. I'm not happy with the result. Honestly, my decision to jump on the MoI wagon without building a great case of my own on him would have been a better argument in your favor and would be more consistent with your assertion that you are Town and your wagon is dumb because they couldn't build a solid case on you but voted you anyway.


Thanks to reverse order, I can't see no links... *looks at them*

Your bit with Hez is all about chastising him for voting without condemning the vote itself. I.e. you're fine with him voting but you're going to make sure he nets suspicion for making it. Your bit with V2V would be a valid point but you lose credibility for the fact he had done this exact same thing previously but you failed to mention it then or bring it up in retrospective to this one. And the last two are just illustrations of you distancing from the wagon without actually questioning it's progress. (i.e. you say the wagon is based on "supposition and bad feelings" implying it isn't a good case, yet you do nothing to stop it OR get the case reexamined/improved.)

And sadly, you just tied your fucking noose with the MoI bit. Five minutes ago you were wrist slapping me for 'assuming you knew this would be a mislynch' and now you're saying you see the exact same thing happening with me that happened with MoI, A MISLYNCH. and to make it worse, you only mention it AFTER I'M DEAD. Why didn't you feel the need to say this, oh you know, back when it could have been stopped? Because you didn't want it stopped, because you're scum.

Yates wrote:2. It's not my job to defend you. It's your job to defend yourself. STILL, I made plenty of comments about why the case on you isn't strong enough for me to vote for you.


I'm not asking you to defend me, I'm asking you to question people doing things you yourself are saying isn't proper play. I'm asking you to actually contribute to stopping something you yourself imply is likely to cause the town harm. And as I said above, all of these links are just worthless comments that amount to nothing.


Yates wrote:However, to say I have said "nothing" of these people is flat out wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm on record as stating that 3 of the people on your wagon are my strongest Town reads and that I think Hez is playing the role of the village idiot right now with Scott battling for that mantle. But please don't let verifiable facts get in the way of your "krap logick." Oh, in case I need to lead an ass to water:


Three of the people pushing a lynch you yourself says is based on "supposition and bad feelings" are your town reads? And you don't question them doing this untown thing? You don't see the need to make them reexamine this case you so 'apparently' disagree with? You're content to ignore their 'bad/antitown' play because, you have a town read and can't be bothered to actually care about those anymore...

You have a town read on them because you're scum and KNOW they are town, aren't you? If these were really simple 'reads' and they were all doing something you disagreed with, there is no fucking way you would ignore it.

Yates wrote:3. It's late in the day and it is clear to me that no one else is interested in my wagon, especially with you on it. I am pushing my wagon with my vote. That is my weapon and I am using it. Also, you must have missed post 720 where I laid out my case on VJ.


Am I on your wagon? If you're going to fake caring about the wagon you're on, at least pay attention to who is on it with you mate. That's sad... It's even worse if I just caught both scum over the same fucking thing... :\

And you laid out your case before I even hit L-3, and that's the last time you mentioned it? Gosh, it's like my point that you have been wasting the last part of this day not pushing your case while you wait for me to die is accurate and you just proved it. Wow, sucks to be you, taking the time to prove the points made against you and all that. la la la, love it when scum makes their own cases better.

As soon as my wagon picked up, and it became apparent I was likely to die, you stopped pushing your own candidate to let it happen. End of story, anti-town behavior, die scum die.

Yates wrote:4. Yes, I focused on the fact that Hez didn't read the game. WHY did I focus on the fact that Hez didn't read the game? I focused on the fact Hez didn't read the game BECAUSE his vote is invalid UNTIL he has read the whole game. You contradict yourself. Link to my exact words in case you need it:


Maybe invalid was the wrong word for me to use, but the point remains the same. You question how 'useful' his vote is, but never says he shouldn't have made it. You continue to discuss with him for what, another two pages after this post, how often do you mention his vote again? is it even ever? he kept his vote on me after you said it was 'invalid' (apparently this was your intent, yes?) yet, for those next two pages... YOU LET HIM KEEP VOTING ME. You ignore the vote, and choose to focus on the 'reading' letting him keep the vote free of charge. Then you drop the whole thing, even though his INVALID vote is still on me.

Link to your own words was a fucking bad move. you had four additional posts dealin with him, never once did you mention him still having an 'invalid' vote. In fact, you said this:

Yates wrote:There is nothing worth commenting on until you have read the entire game.


How is him making an 'invalid' vote, not worth commenting on? How is him, still having that vote two pages later, not worth commenting on? That's right, because it leads to mislynch which is what you wanted. That's why! *puts on glasses* Cuff him Lou!

So in short, Yates needs to die asap! *Points at you, yes you, you reading this* Make it so... =D
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:16 pm

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Who else needs to die? This needs to die:

Tammy wrote:Fuck it vote:Korlash


I call her and Yates scum, and Tammy, Someone I think we can all agree we think very highly of and appears to be a decent if not better than decent player, hammers me without any stated reasons? hammers me without actually responding to my last comments directed towards here. Hammers me after a long freaking time of essentially tip-toeing over whether I am in fact scum or not, and why in fact she feels the way she does. Spends a lot of her most recent discussion with me focusing on why I 'insulted her' instead of my actual points...

*shakes head*

I thought you were one of the good ones... I trusted you! *shakes fist* I knew anyone willing to wear the same shoes the Jester did can't be a friend of mine. *tears in eyes* I hope you die last... At least then, it will be less sad... ;_;

Or die first, and hang out with me and Ben in the dead QT... MoI can come too... and I guess Fate, if he's quiet... Yeah, you die first then, okay? We'll have a party... and a barbecue! =DDDD

AND I'LL TELL JOKES! no? ok fine, I won't... >.>
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:17 pm

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FYI: My point was she quickhammered me in an attempt to end the discussion and 'silence me' before I continued to bring up how she (and likely Yates, that is only supposition on my part) is scum!

Book her Lou!

I can't chief, I'm already cuffing Yates.

Damn it, then we're doomed...
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:32 pm

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Day 2 VC 6


Korlash 6 - pappums rat, The Mini-Librarian, splitfarvle, HezLucky,vijay2vansandani,Tammy,
vijay2vansandani 2 - Korlash, Yates
HezLucky 1 - PereV,


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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:05 pm

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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:29 am

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You lynch Korlash, was he scum?







nope, please try again! He was just a dumb little priest boy!

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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:43 am

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You wake up and find blood. The blood of Pappums Rat.

Pappums Rat was Charlie Kelly, Vanilla Town killed Night 2.


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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:16 am

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Bah!
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:27 am

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Vote: Split


I can see no reason to kill Papums. He was on the MoI wagon and Korlash wagon all day, so he didn't seem to be onto anything. The only reason I can think was that he'd be near impossible to mislynch.

If scum was getting anstsy, then the only person remotely mentioned is Pizza/split.
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:25 am

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Heh...Pere do you realize you're committing Korlash's favorite scum tell? (I don't think it's really a scum tell, but since he called it on me for talking about Fate, it just kind of makes me laugh.)

Korlash - in case you're reading along, I don't want you to have to wait until I'm dead to know why I "quickhammered." And you seemed legitimately bothered by it so I want you to know what it was. I hammered when I did because I'd had enough. For two weeks since I replaced in the subject was Korlash. Almost all of my interactions, and anyone's interactions were with Korlash. There were semantic debates, scumhunting technique debates, and scumtell/nightkill information debates. There was so little scumhunting outside of the issue of Korlash as you continued to try to dismantle everything that was said and do little else. Town was drowning in Korlash, and I got to a point where I no longer cared whether or not you were guilty or innocent. I know that sucks but it was in town's best interest for you to be lynched that day and no more discussion was going to add anything to helping us find out who the killers are. I figured you had a pretty good chance at being scum, so your lynch was good. Other than that, the distraction of you gave scum a place to hide if you were town, so your lynch was still good. If we didn't lynch you yesterday, we would probably spend the next two-three weeks discussing you again, which would be bad for town. In the end it was strategic, and there was no point putting it off any longer. :shrug: I did enjoy talking with you though; it just wasn't good for town.

I need to re-read a couple of people as I stated in my reads list near the end of yesterday. I especially want to take a look at Pere as there were several things that stuck out to me.

I also want to take a look at Split because most of what he pointed out was the contradiction. So no real contribution either, except when I pointed out how little his contribution was because of the contradiction, he seemed rather genuine in his response to me. Nothing great to go off of, but meh.

Scott Brosius, however, is my biggest suspect right now. Very little contribution, not much scumhunting, voted for the lurkers but essentially didn't place a vote at all. Scott - What are your thoughts on the game so far. Who are your biggest suspects?

vote: Scott Brosius
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:51 am

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VOTE: Tammy

Just a touch quick to justify that hammer.
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vijay2vasandani wrote:VOTE: Tammy

Just a touch quick to justify that hammer.


I see this too!

But she's voting SCOTT BROSIUS!
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:24 pm

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I don't need to justify anything. Was anybody in this thread going to give me a hard time for hammering? YOU thanked me for it Vijay. I tried to respond to him earlier, but the thread was locked. I've felt bad ever since I saw that he seemed so bothered by it and I didn't get a chance to explain. If you want to lynch me for feeling bad about something and wanting to explain :shrug:

If I were scum, I wouldn't have to justify it because as scum my job is to get people mislynched. As town, I feel bad about it.
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:14 pm

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vijay2vasandani wrote:VOTE: Tammy

Just a touch quick to justify that hammer.

I am surprised by this vote. I can't tell if this is poor play by scum, poor play by Town, or if you have knowledge that finally got you off the Yates wagon or onto the Tammy wagon...
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:25 pm

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I don't know what to make about that vote either. It's a pretty lazy vote that could come by lazy scum or town because it's such an easy vote to drop. There's literally no engagement with the game at all.

In order to believe in that vote, he would have to believe that I, as scum, am so insanely stupid to hop on in here and try to justify a vote to a town I don't have to justify a vote for and in the process make me look suspicious. I wrote that explanation to Korlash knowing full well that someone would give me crap for it, and that it was possible scum would pick it up and try to use it to mislynch me for, and I did it anyway for the exact reason that I said. I felt bad that I didn't get to explain it to him before the thread got locked and he seemed bothered.
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:29 pm

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I kind of like PV's split vote, mostly because I don't have a very strong read on Split's slot. Then again I also like Tammy's Brosius vote, but mostly because he's an idiot and not because I have enough to vote him on.

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I still have Tammy Town, ML Town, and Pappums Town.

I still have VJ scum - but I want to know more about his current vote

I still have Scott Brosius as VI and I'm still waiting to see some content from Hez to prove he has read the game so this will not be a distraction. Otherwise, I will vote him for the same reason Tammy hammered Korlash [b/c he is a huge distraction] and hope we catch scum.

So that leaves me PV and Split with no read.

By PoE our last scum are in the VJ, SB, Hez, PV, Split pool so we have a 40% chance of hitting scum by simply playing "eenie meenie minie moe"
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:34 pm

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ugh - update to add "RIP: PR" I forgot he was dead.

So with that, I am actually feeling a little better about PV with his vote on Split. It isn't the worst reason ever and doesn't look like scum distancing scum.
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:40 pm

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Heh...I saw that and was like, huh? He's...dead...
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:44 pm

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Wait. Where does the bolded happen?
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Vote: Split


I can see no reason to kill Papums. He was on the MoI wagon and Korlash wagon all day, so he didn't seem to be onto anything. The only reason I can think was that he'd be near impossible to mislynch.

If scum was getting anstsy, then the only person remotely mentioned is Pizza/split.



Really, he spent a lot of time calling Korlash scum and his main case was defending VJ *until* he says this:
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vijay2vasandani wrote:Actually we have 7 days. Hmmmm, I like 834.

VOTE: HezLucky

So you decide to put Korlash to L-1 and then three minutes later switch over to Hez, one of the main proponents for the Korlash lynch, with the reasoning that we have 7 days until deadline and because you "like 834". I would expect you to have read that post before you put Korlash at L-1. This makes me question this series of events and does a good deal to destroy the townread I had on you.

I'm trying not to tunnel. Seriously. But this seems to be the most damning thing he says about anyone other than Korlash. Am I wrong?

PE: LOL - yeah. But hey, it's ok to have a Town read on conf Town, right??
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:59 pm

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PeregrineV wrote:Caught up.
Early feelings are Korlash scum, but going back to check BenMage iso first.

PeregrineV wrote:
HezLucky wrote:Hi everyone.

Will read game soon. Excited.

Anything I need to know?


You probably got a scum PM and you need to bus Korlash to save yourself.


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Day 1 Vote Count 1


MOI 6 - vijay2vansandani, Pizza, Benmage, Fate, pappums rat,Yates
Korlash 2 - Istark, Korlash,
vijay 1 - Shotgun
IStark 1 - Knox
Jester 1 - PeregrineV
Knox 1 - MOI,


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Day 1 Vote Count 3


MOI 3 - Benmage, pappums rat,Yates
Korlash 2 - Istark, Korlash,
Pizza 2 - Shotgun, Fate,
IStark 1 - Knox
Jester 1 - PeregrineV
Benmage 1 - MOI,
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,

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Knox (1) has been prodded

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Day 1 Vote Count 7


Rat 2 - Mini-Librarian, Pizza,
MOI 6 - Benmage, Yates,pappums rat,MattP,Korlash,Shotgun,
Mini-Librarian 1 - Zeek
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,
MattP 1 - PereV
Korlash 2 - Fate,MOI,

Not Voting




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Day 1 Vote Count 8


MOI 7 - Benmage, Yates,pappums rat,MattP,Korlash,Shotgun,vijay2vansandani,
Rat 2 - Mini-Librarian, Pizza,
Mini-Librarian 1 - Zeek
MattP 1 - PereV
Korlash 2 - Fate,MOI,

Not Voting


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@Tammy- Korlash no-hammered MoI when the early wagon formed. An early day hammer and town flip would put more scrutiny on scum-Korlash then he would want. Don't recall if he actually argued MoI was town at that point, but it could be in there.
Also, the self-vote for no reason.
Then, spending most of the day on the Papum's Rat wagon WITH MoI, but suddenly finding him scum at the end of the day. Managed to get on the middle of the wagon, but his buddy had to hammer instead.

All very suspicious.

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Tammy wrote:So then you think that V2V and Korlash are partners?

I have to admit that I'm less convinced of Korlash as scum than I was when I replaced in. Part of that could be because I've actually enjoyed debating points with him because I find that fun and crap like that wins me over. But V2V...I can't get behind the out of his depth stuff and think that Yates raises some good points.

I, however, have not had a chance to do the ISO's that I need to do to get a better picture of some of the people in this game.


No, I think V2V is probably town. Scott summed it up here.
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Again, you are acting like he actually claimed. v2v said something like im gonna shoot you tonight. Why would anyone take that seriously? If his claim was so convincing that it warranted protection, why did the ACTUAL VIG kill him? That's how weak that feeble attempt at a claim was.

I repeat, it's a dumb move, but it really reeks of town, not master manipulator scum.


And Korlash is good at the talking part of the game, which does make it fun.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=400

But, read 400-507 of this completed game, starring scum-Korlash. He almost talked his way out of a guilty result. (this game also included a self-vote)

Because he's such a hard read for me to decipher, I'd rather look elsewhere. Since I am getting town-vibes from most players, I looked at one of the ones I didn't (drmyshotgun now HeezLucky).


In each of these posts you seem suspicious of Korlash. He was your suspect in the beginning of the day. You suggest that HezLucky is Korlash's partner. You summarize Korlash's suspicious behavior from day one for me, and in the last one you direct me to meta to show just how good Korlash is at talking himself out of things.

Yet, you never vote for Korlash. Why? It looks like you wanted to direct people onto the Korlash wagon, yet remain off of it yourself.

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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:00 pm

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Also, Pere - What happened to your HezLucky suspicions? You ended off the day voting for him, but begin the day voting for Split.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:45 pm

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Benmage wrote:
vote pizzadude


God do I want pizza right now.

MoI, did you open affc with that last to confirm thing, or am I misremembering... on phone.

Actually reading back through day one Pizzadudes interaction with Benmage doesn't look great. Ben starts out with an RVS vote on Pizza and at the end of the day, Pizza named Ben one of his main suspects. Earlier in the day Fate was arguing for Pizza as scum.

Knox really only interacted with Magna.

Not much interaction with Pere and Ben from Pere's side, and not a whole lot from Ben's side either.

Hmmm...
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:48 pm

Post by vijay2vasandani »

That's exactly why. You didn't need to explain it, so you doing so is very very sus. Yates you can still be scum, but maybe after this.
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:28 am

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@PV and Scott - You have both made comments about VJ "probably" being Town because you both claim to believe that VJ never actually claimed scum. I'll quote the most recent relevant post here that includes both of your opinions:
PeregrineV wrote:I have to admit that I'm less convinced of Korlash as scum than I was when I replaced in. Part of that could be because I've actually enjoyed debating points with him because I find that fun and crap like that wins me over. But V2V...I can't get behind the out of his depth stuff and think that Yates raises some good points.

I, however, have not had a chance to do the ISO's that I need to do to get a better picture of some of the people in this game.


No, I think V2V is probably town. Scott summed it up here.
Scott Brosius wrote:
Again, you are acting like he actually claimed. v2v said something like im gonna shoot you tonight. Why would anyone take that seriously? If his claim was so convincing that it warranted protection, why did the ACTUAL VIG kill him? That's how weak that feeble attempt at a claim was.

I repeat, it's a dumb move, but it really reeks of town, not master manipulator scum.
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I responded to Scott Brosius in post 823 but neither of you commented on my statement before the end of the day. The critical quote from that post is this one:
vijay2vasandani wrote:I claimed vig because...

What I am saying is that *I* thought VJ claimed vig. I can go back and get you some specific quotes if needed but it is pretty clear that Korlash and MoI and Fate [all of our Town flips] all thought VJ claimed vig as well. Fate was so convinced, in fact, that he
unclaimed
having a "power role." Then, you have VJ admitting that even *HE* thought he claimed vig in the quote above. In light of this information, does
any of this evidence
change your opinions as stated in the posts above?
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:30 am

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Vijay - Stop being stupid. If someone doesn't need to explain something they don't. I didn't need to explain it to the thread. I needed to explain it to the person who posted:


Korlash wrote:Who else needs to die? This needs to die:

Tammy wrote:Fuck it vote:Korlash


I call her and Yates scum, and Tammy, Someone I think we can all agree we think very highly of and appears to be a decent if not better than decent player, hammers me without any stated reasons? hammers me without actually responding to my last comments directed towards here. Hammers me after a long freaking time of essentially tip-toeing over whether I am in fact scum or not, and why in fact she feels the way she does. Spends a lot of her most recent discussion with me focusing on why I 'insulted her' instead of my actual points...

*shakes head*

I thought you were one of the good ones... I trusted you! *shakes fist* I knew anyone willing to wear the same shoes the Jester did can't be a friend of mine. *tears in eyes* I hope you die last... At least then, it will be less sad... ;_;

Or die first, and hang out with me and Ben in the dead QT... MoI can come too... and I guess Fate, if he's quiet... Yeah, you die first then, okay? We'll have a party... and a barbecue! =DDDD

AND I'LL TELL JOKES! no? ok fine, I won't... >.>


So, I explained it to him because I didn't get a chance to explain it before the thread got locked and he seemed bothered. I did it KNOWING that lazy ass scum or town would pick that up and try to get me lynched over it, and I did it ANYWAY. In fact, even if it results in my mislynch (lulz...dumbest mislynch ever) and I could go back in time, I'd still do it. So, congratulations Vijay, which one are you? Lazy ass scum or lazy ass town? Either way you're going to have to come up with a hell of a better reason than some lame ass "Well, she explained her hammer to someone who was bothered by it."
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