Mini 1325: Ghostbusters II Mafia (Game Over)

[Seanald]

lol yeah i dont know how i lived through any of this. but those posts were genuine, id dint understand what was going on at the time or the abbreviations of the things happening lol.

[Seanald]

lol so funny how the last lynch just worked out. the odds of how this game turned out were very improbable. I dont think the game was set up initially that un-balanced. but pine was found by janosz real quick, and the game would have been very different if RBT gave a shit.

[Seanald]

also if anyone could explain what makes a game bastard, i'd appreciate it.

[Amrun]

also if anyone could explain what makes a game bastard, i'd appreciate it.

It depends on the person you ask. The most "true" definition is that a game is bastard if the mod lies to the players, but it could also mean "very unbalanced" or "has wacky roles," depending on the person's personal definition.

[GreyICE]

So town can't win a mini normal with 5 scum, without something amazing being in the town.

A tracker, a miller, a PGO, and a 50% sensor are not amazing.

Fucking awful game.

[Seanald]

well if rbt found pine shit woula been for the town side though.

[GreyICE]

Yes

So basically depending on who found Pine first, the game would have been awful in two different ways.

So..

[Pine]

So it was DESIGNED to be swingy, based on who found the lynch pin role first.

Not defending it, really, as I think this setup was crazy unfair to Town, but if you're going to criticize, do so right. Game started 10:2:1, and only later became 8:2:3

[GreyICE]

Oddly we had the power roles for 10-2-1

- tracker (mediocre investigative)
- PGO (kills 2 townies, 2 scum)
- miller
- 50% sensor affected by miller


So 10:2:1 with only real town power being a tracker isnt very town sided.

[Pine]

Then you have the chance to gain Mason-Doctors if Dana finds Oscar, versus creation of a fragile scumteam if Janosz finds him.

[Dutch one]

It really was a pity about the long interruption in the game. I think we were finally getting a hold on the game, and afterwards everything was gone. I honestly never suspected Benmage before, but his sudden claim was just too scummy. It was just bad luck he ended up in that situation, it could've happened to anyone. But well, after he appeared to be town, I guess it was already over.

It was a fun game, I wasn't very active all round, but I enjoyed it

[SnakePlissken]

See the issue I had with the Power roles, was I wanted to keep it within the confines of the film without over powering them. The Scum team were just goons so all they had were their NKs, so when looking at the basic setup the game actually favoured town especially if the town had found Oscar first as it would have then made it doubly hard for the scum to win. If town had lynched anything other than themselves everyday the game could have been very different. I was trying to design a new mechanic to add a bit of excitement to the mix. However Benmage claiming he hated the game from the second post on page 2 wasn't very helpful IMO as it a set a negative tone to the whole proceedings, then the claiming broke out early (Zeek im looking at you) which again made things harder for town. I actually think that the town were victims of their own play here and Amrun & Seanald didn't have to work that hard to win. One thing I learnt very early playing on this site, is don't play outguess the mod as it always leads to town downfall.

That all said though I appreciate your comments and in my next game that I mod I won't try and be so clever without testing, testing, testing and then testing some more.

[GreyICE]

Oh my fucking god.

I am two for two on shitty moderators giving me shitty Bastard Mod roles like secret miller and then whining "don't outguess the mod."

Fuck you very much, you earn an MD thread.

[DeltaWave]

I think SP is a good moderator. The extreme anti-town slant in this game seems to be a fluke.

[SnakePlissken]

GI - you werent a secret Miller though you were VT. If you've seen the film then you should know that Slimer is not a Villian in GB II?

[Thomith]

GI you knew you investigated as a ghost yes? because of that you weren't really a secret miller.

[SnakePlissken]

THe sensor would have not shown you up as Scum. I think there is some terminology confusion that I have caused. Ghosts were my term for scum, however I should have stated that not all ghosts were scum in this game. As you were aligned as a VT, you would have in no way shown up on the sensor's result.

[Thomith]

so the "investigate as ghost" thing was a red herring?

[SnakePlissken]

No, the Running ghost, scoleri bros would have turned up gjost as would Vigo. Because they were anti town faction. As would have Oscar and Janosz once they were enabled as they were anti town element. Because slimer was town he wouldn't have registered as a ghost. My wording has been really poor here and for that I'll hold my hands up.

[Thomith]

but grey said they investigate as a ghost, are you saying the wording was just weird there then?

[DeltaWave]

I think it's that ghost doesn't equate with villain necessarily.

[Benmage]

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Oh man, the Benmage lynch was SO BAD. What were you guys thinking??[/quote]

What a horribly designed game.

Then like I said, taking a 2 week break from it?

Real life I get it. Should've just ended it.

5 antitown roles...

PR roles? My role is worse than a VT.

[Benmage]

One thing I learnt very early playing on this site, is don't play outguess the mod as it always leads to town downfall.

Because mods still continue to baffle me on what they deem as 'balanced'.

WC changing omfg. Nonbastard?

[Yates]

Kind of sucked for Town that we didn't have a single protector role OR protected role [ie some kind of BP].

We were pretty much hosed from the start.

[Pine]

No, you weren't. If RBT had found me, it would have been heavily Town-sided.

Do none of you understand or appreciate the concept of "swingy"?

I would like to see the role PMs, especially RBT's, DeltaWave's, and Thomith.