NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Psyche]

Wait. How often have I popped in to complete mislynches? I've done my best to prevent my uninformed vote from ruining the game. >.>

[DLG]

Amusing how easily someone can project motives onto behavior. I've been called lazy, but this?

"Amusing" is scum talk. It is not a denial of the accusation, it is an attempt to minimize through condescension.

It's your behavior that is scummy. My guess at your motives could be wrong, but that doesn't change the base fact that you got a scum role PM.

Wait. How often have I popped in to complete mislynches? I've done my best to prevent my uninformed vote from ruining the game. >.>

Well, 1 out of 3, for sure. You completely bounced around between Pine/Seacore, The Mini-Librarian, and Junpei at the end of Day 2. Just floating whichever way the wind was blowing.

Again, the last line is scum speak. Scum play to not lose. It's safer and fits the survivalist mentality needed to be succesful. Town play to have their best scum reads lynched.

Scum admissions. Please lynch!

[HezLucky]

Hi DLG,

look at Benmage's post in response to LLD's vote on Junpei

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

This looks like Benmage
a) knew that Junpei would flip town
b) wanted to go for massive towncred by lynching LLD.

I thuoght absolutely none of it at the time, but NOW THAT LLD HAS FLIPPED SCUM it is INCREDIBLY damning. This looks like
Benmage trying to distance from partner LLD (who was doing just fucking fine) by getting ready to lead on her the next day and
then getting massive massive towncred and coasting the rest of the way (kindof like he already has).

LLD has flipped, though, and his plan has backfired.

- Psyche has looked terrible all game. And Psyche's last two posts look like "planned VI-ness". ie. pretending to be a VI
with the hopes people will call her town for it. She mentions her UNINFORMED vote in #2400 [why do this? other than to look town?]
and pretends like she doesn't know Junpei was lynched yesterday [even though this was a LYNCH, not a NIGHTKILL]
- DeasVeil #2397 looks like a half-assed attack on DLG in response to his Psyche vote.

I would be happy to join you on the Psyche wagon but Benmage needs to die so fucking fast its amazing.

[Psyche]

Tunnel vision ftw.

No I am not scum. I'm overwhelmed. This game is A LOT and it's really difficult for me to pay attention, let alone catch up.

"Amusing" is not scumtalk. Why would scum feel a need to not deny an accusation? That Freudian crap is bull.

My behavior is not scummy. You're misreading. You're reaching.

Why would scum choose to float around? Is that really survivalist?

[Psyche]

planned VI-ness? Where do you get that idea? I was seriously trying to contribute in a lazy, but meaningful way. >.>

[DLG]

Tunnel vision ftw.

No I am not scum. I'm overwhelmed. This game is A LOT and it's really difficult for me to pay attention, let alone catch up.

"Amusing" is not scumtalk. Why would scum feel a need to not deny an accusation? That Freudian crap is bull.

My behavior is not scummy. You're misreading. You're reaching.

Why would scum choose to float around? Is that really survivalist?

I'll shed big crocodile tears for you, Mr. AtE.

Scum don't want to engage directly, if they aren't forced to. Instead, pandering to the onlookers by describing the attack as "amusing" is good scum strategy. Afterall, my one vote won't lynch you. If you can keep everyone else off you, though, you win.

Floating to whichever wagon had the most impetus, when you're assured the target is not part of your faction? You truly can't see why scum would do that?

The survivalist accusation was separate from that. Don't try to conflate the two, it's scummy argumentation technique. Survivalism, as embodied by your play, is represented by your assertion that you're just trying to not ruin the game; i.e., playing to not lose.

look at Benmage's post in response to LLD's vote on Junpei

I agree that the quote in question looks damning. I haven't quite gotten there, yet, though, and want to read it in full context before rendering a verdict.

I think the power-bus theory would be sub-optimal play, and wanted to make sure you weren't just jumping aboard that wagon with a weak justification. Your response to me indicates you are truly invested in lynching Benmage and that reads positive to me.

[Benmage]

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

This looks like Benmage
a) knew that Junpei would flip town
b) wanted to go for massive towncred by lynching LLD..

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I am so awesome at this game, sometimes I even amaze myself.

[Benmage]

Holy Fuck I'm not doing this deadline lynch bullshit again.

Junpei was scum.

Fallman CLAIMED SCUM IN HIS FIRST POST. THAT POST ONLY HAS SCUM MOTIVATION. SURVIVALISM IS A SCUM MOTIVATED PLAY.

HE DIDN'T SAY "LET ME SCUM HUNT". HE EXPLICTLY SAID HE WOULDN'T!

WE ARE LYNCHING FALLMAN TODAY. I WON'T LET SCUM DERAIL THIS LYNCH!

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

unvote vote Fallman

Now that LLD is dead...

VOTE: Benmage
Why did you vote someone you claimed, and we all now know, was town?

He was obviously town. Dur.

[Benmage]

Vote maxwell

Hey the guy who doesn't read, has some of the best reads thus far. *flex*

Lynch me. My awesomeness still >

[Psyche]

Tunnel vision ftw.

No I am not scum. I'm overwhelmed. This game is A LOT and it's really difficult for me to pay attention, let alone catch up.

"Amusing" is not scumtalk. Why would scum feel a need to not deny an accusation? That Freudian crap is bull.

My behavior is not scummy. You're misreading. You're reaching.

Why would scum choose to float around? Is that really survivalist?

I'll shed big crocodile tears for you, Mr. AtE.

Scum don't want to engage directly, if they aren't forced to. Instead, pandering to the onlookers by describing the attack as "amusing" is good scum strategy. Afterall, my one vote won't lynch you. If you can keep everyone else off you, though, you win.

Floating to whichever wagon had the most impetus, when you're assured the target is not part of your faction? You truly can't see why scum would do that?

The survivalist accusation was separate from that. Don't try to conflate the two, it's scummy argumentation technique. Survivalism, as embodied by your play, is represented by your assertion that you're just trying to not ruin the game; i.e., playing to not lose.

look at Benmage's post in response to LLD's vote on Junpei

I agree that the quote in question looks damning. I haven't quite gotten there, yet, though, and want to read it in full context before rendering a verdict.

I think the power-bus theory would be sub-optimal play, and wanted to make sure you weren't just jumping aboard that wagon with a weak justification. Your response to me indicates you are truly invested in lynching Benmage and that reads positive to me.

Question: Don't you think your dismissive way (labelling them with irrelevant but salient words) of considering defenses might be unreliable? You remind me of Pine.

Are you serious? How am I supposed to explain why you're wrong without saying things you can snidely label AtE (I totally need to do a study on AtE, tho, for sure)? Is explaining my mindset a bad thing?

How does describing something that is amusing (I should've said interesting) as amusing "pander to onlookers"? What does that even mean?

I do not see how a behavior that is so obviously inactive can be considered a viable scum strategy. I'm pretty sure every scum reading this thinks it important that he or she continues to seem like a proactive member of the town.

Scummy argumentation technique. Lol. Do you have any data to support that assertion, or are you just sticking to the whole "call EVERYTHING scummy to get this guy lynched" strategy?

[Psyche]

Pretty sure survivalism is a characteristic of both lurkers and scum...Though scum tend to be more interested in playing to win than lurkers.

[OhGodMyLife]

Thoughts

I think there is still strong evidence that Benmage is town, despite the "lynch me."
Looking at LLD's posts I'm seeing her connected to TML, redFF, Hez, and FG.
It looks like one scumteam from the reveal, safest to assume 6 to begin with, 5 left
...which means the fifth is probably one of the myriad contentless lurkers coasting through this game
14 alive, (up to) three kills again tonight, there is a remote possibility this is mylo

Vote: The Mini-Librarian

Your cop claim stunt was what made me think LLD was town.
Nice trick, scum.

[DLG]

Why did you vote someone you claimed, and we all now know, was town?

He was obviously town. Dur.

That's not an answer to the question. Best I can get is that you thought it was a good idea to lynch someone you read as Town to implicate another player.

Please immerse me in the Benmage pool of wisdom that explains how that is Town play.

How am I supposed to explain why you're wrong without saying things you can snidely label AtE ...

Try not saying, "woe is me", and explain how you're helping town win through your actions.

I do not see how a behavior that is so obviously inactive can be considered a viable scum strategy. I'm pretty sure every scum reading this thinks it important that he or she continues to seem like a proactive member of the town.

So, your plan is to demonstrate your Townieness through a lack of appearing to be a proactive member of the town?

You are pretty active when it comes to defending yourself when someone puts a little pressure on.

If you're Town, who's scum? If you can reply promptly when your survival is endangered, you can surely spare a little time to help me out of my misguided tunnel.

[Psyche]

97 pages. I'm sorry, but I don't have the time.

[andrew94]

The cop stunt makes me think mini librarian is town. why the hell would scum do that? lady wasnt even under pressure


benmage is town. lady wasnt even under much pressue. why would he bus. if he was scum, he should be bussed already

psyche should replace out. (and u guys shouldnt lynch him for being useless)

@hezzlucky, how do you know the vig shoot lady? Do you have info we do not?

also we should lynch either maxwell or the fire guy (ohgodmylife)

i believe maxwell was getting semi bussed by lady and fire guy is just scummy when i was reading.

vote ohgodmylife

[HezLucky]

@hezzlucky, how do you know the vig shoot lady? Do you have info we do not?

Now that you mention it, it was probably an SK kill. I don't remember anyone who was actually suspicious of LLD yesterday o_O

[StrangerCoug]

I agree that TML should claim.

From the mafia perspective, they should have thought it possible that TML did indeed have a cop innocent on LLD considering their knowledge of LLD being godfather. It's possible they wanted to wait for TML to actually claim an innocent result on LLD, but if they killed TML and he flipped as some sort of cop, it would have been obvious that LLD was an innocent result, so there shouldn't have been any need to keep him alive.

On top of that, having a godfather on their team would have indicated that there must be a cop, so my big question is, why is TML still alive? There is obviously a reason for mafia keeping him around. The only thing I can think of is that they had information (rolecop/track result) suggesting TML was not a cop, and that's why they didn't kill him.

So yes, I think a claim is necessary, because I don't think it will change the chances of mafia night-killing him and will only help us read him.

That makes very good sense.

I don't see that StrangerCoug is saying that, at all. It looks more like StrangerCoug is accusing Benmage of voting for Fallman7, knowing all the time that it would be a mislynch.

That's true, but HezLucky is acting on my mention that the person Benmage wanted to lynch after Fallman7 was lynched is dead scum.

Why did you vote someone you claimed, and we all now know, was town?

He was obviously town. Dur.

So we should all be lynching townies so the Mafia can win, eh? Yeah.

CLEARLY

shows whose side you're on.

Benmage is our lynch today, ladies and gentlemen. I won't be upset about The Mini-Librarian being lynched, either.

[DLG]

You are pretty active when it comes to defending yourself when someone puts a little pressure on.

If you're Town, who's scum? If you can reply promptly when your survival is endangered, you can surely spare a little time to help me out of my misguided tunnel.

97 pages. I'm sorry, but I don't have the time.

psyche should replace out. (and u guys shouldnt lynch him for being useless)

Not for being useless. For being an active detriment to Town winning. That is the best reason I can think of to lynch anyone.

fire guy is just scummy when i was reading.

Yeah, how so?

The cop stunt makes me think mini librarian is town. why the hell would scum do that? lady wasnt even under pressure

You think it was a "stunt", which implies to me that you consider it not a real claim. Why the hell would town do that?

Also, see here, at the bottom for why scum would do that.

I thought you wanted a claim from The Mini-Librarian before commenting further on this situation. What changed?

benmage is town. lady wasnt even under much pressue. why would he bus. if he was scum, he should be bussed already

Good regurgitation of my point, sans the Benmage is Town conclusion. There was never a serious push against Benmage which would require his buddies to bus him. Kind of like with what you're saying as regards Benmage not needing to bus Lady Lambdadelta.

Given Benmage's promises of being able to 180 his play, a power bus of a scum partner would have been incredibly powerful if he could pull it off. And, under the climate where Benmage's post was made, a 1 v 1 of Benmage versus Lady Lambdadelta would likely have ended in a Benamge lynch. What would the conclusion be regarding Lady Lambdadelta should Benmage flip sum in that hypothetical?

This is pretty much what HezLucky had to say when I asked him about it, and it's an explanation that resonates with my view of things.

Maybe you can explain how it was townie of Benmage to play to kill a town "read" to get to Lady Lambdadelta the following day.

i believe maxwell was getting semi bussed by lady

In what way? Why?

You, andrew94, look like you are running interference for both Benmage and Psyche. Please explain how I'm misunderstanding your play.

[FakeGod]

Wow, LLD was Godfather???

Didn't think she would be scum.

Agreed with Hez and SC. Also agreeing with DLG and andrew that TML should claim.

VOTE: Benmage

[DLG]

That's true, but HezLucky is acting on my mention that the person Benmage wanted to lynch after Fallman7 was lynched is dead scum.

Yeah, I see that. Especially after he explained it.

I'd love to have multiple votes. Count me as an honorary member of the Benamge wagon. I'd also love to see Psyche hang, and think that's a fine place for my vote.

I got completely read through, and, in context, the Benmage post looks even worse, if possible.

What about you as regards Psyche? Good lynch?

I want some kind of reply from The Mini-Librarian.

Preview edit:
I'm not calling for a claim from The Mini-Librarian. I just want to know his explanation for the coincidence.

[Benmage]

unvote vote Baby Spice

This is me benmage wanting to lynch scum Percy, voting town BS whatsup.

Zachs montanous game where Im town.

Yes I call someone's preferred lynch target town to help implicate them if I FEEEL STRONGLY they're scum.

[andrew94]

scumlist

Hezlucky- slipped. he is prob the Sk.
ohgodmylife - the person he replaced.
fakegod- look at that post 2418 first sentence.

@ dlg i used the word stunt because ohgodmylife said stunt, so i replied with 'the stunt'

I do in fact think mini is the cop.
if mini is the cop, it would make sense to put it there as a breadcrumb,
when i was reading through the thread, NOBODY commented on that.
It seems only me and you (dlg) noticed it

the thing is, lady didnt need defending. There were only a couple of votes on her.
also, mini just put that there saying thats why he thinks lady is town

which makes sense. if mini died and flips cop, that would stand out.

so thats why i think mini is cop.

the reason i am commenting right now is because i see lots of people on my scumlist just whizzing by and voting benmage


@benmage the hell is that last post?


maxwell was getting semi bussed by lady (distancing) because at the end of last day , lady was saving maxwell was scum etc etc etc, but never really makes a move.

[HezLucky]

scumlist

Hezlucky- slipped. he is prob the Sk.
ohgodmylife - the person he replaced.
fakegod- look at that post 2418 first sentence.

@ dlg i used the word stunt because ohgodmylife said stunt, so i replied with 'the stunt'

I do in fact think mini is the cop.
if mini is the cop, it would make sense to put it there as a breadcrumb,
when i was reading through the thread, NOBODY commented on that.
It seems only me and you (dlg) noticed it

the thing is, lady didnt need defending. There were only a couple of votes on her.
also, mini just put that there saying thats why he thinks lady is town

which makes sense. if mini died and flips cop, that would stand out.

so thats why i think mini is cop.

the reason i am commenting right now is because i see lots of people on my scumlist just whizzing by and voting benmage


@benmage the hell is that last post?


maxwell was getting semi bussed by lady (distancing) because at the end of last day , lady was saving maxwell was scum etc etc etc, but never really makes a move.

I saw dead maf and assumed it was a vig.

I am more fascinated by the fact that this post appears to be doing nothing but
a) SK hunting
b) Power Role hunting
c) Defending Benmage by attacking his attackers

Cool. Andrew dies next.

[DeasVail]

OGML:

Why don't you think TML is an investigative PR?

[Code_X]

I'll be honest I'm waiting for TML.

Will try and re-read LLD today.