Catch-22 Mafia [The end?]

[Amrun]

I explained pretty clearly already.

[kuribo]

If Slandaar gets lynched today, Amrun and kuribo are eating a salvo of bullets. This is complete bullshit and you both know it, and at least one of you is scum exploiting an apparent general dislike of Slandaar.

its funny you say that, considering most people seem to be more willing to lynch me

so what does my townflip say about Amrun and slandaar?

[Ellibereth]

ugh that was kinda boring...

Vote: katsu

[Korlash]

@Korlash: Was 283 a serious post?

All my posts are serious, so yes. Yes it was...

We did?

Not that this is REALLY relevant but maybe I'm jaded but it seems like we're fire and gasoline almost every time. I would have never, ever guessed I'd be a favorite of yours.

But I like fire... ;_;

I like the people I make waves with, makes for more interesting conversation!

I start to glaze over looking at Matt's posts this game so help me here because based on YOUR WORDS this might be a damn good direction to move.

I just want to make sure your words and my words can make sweet baby words.

What do you need help with? My personal scum tell, or his uncolorful seemingly phoned in scum list?

This thread is full of moron and I could switch my vote to mattp.

Do it! Do it! Do it! [/end subliminal]

... what do you mean it was suppose to be subtle? *whispering* Who would listen to it if it was subtle? *more whispering* I think you're wrong about this...

[Ellibereth]

This thread is full of moron and I could switch my vote to mattp.

why don't ya'

[SpyreX]

What do you need help with? My personal scum tell, or his uncolorful seemingly phoned in scum list?

The list.

Especially if its got some dissonance between scum and wagons etc

[Katsuki]

FATE FIX MY QUOTE

Spyspy please tell me you're not scum.

I'm not scum.

Feel better?

Vote Kuribo and maybe then I will.

[Staeg]

This thread is full of moron and I could switch my vote to mattp.

why don't ya'

Well cause vijay's also a decent place to vote and I thought the votes were at 2 for vijay and 1 for matt and I like nuwen more than korlash and umm

unvote
vote: Mattp

[Katsuki]

ugh that was kinda boring...

Vote: katsu

o.o

[Papa Zito]

God this game.

Someone explain the MattP wagon, I don't get it.

[Near]

@Near--you are missing several possibilities in that assumption of yours that I am scum assuming the VTs are all 'nameless'.

Including 'pure (town) idiocy'. Yes, I am quite capable of it.

(Seriously, I don't want to debate this now.)

Ya, my argument was sort of forced (intentional). But I would have liked to see more direct defenses from you along with other people's comments.

[Near]

I think Teirce is wrong.

I think Ellibereth is town.

[Shmugen]

What a miserable read this was.

@KuriboKID - Yes, Slandaar makes me want to eviscerate myself, but if you can bite down on a stick and bear it, I don't think he's the day 1 play if we're honestly shooting for scum. You're currently allowing him to jabber at you rather than talk about the game. He should not be allowed to survive too long IF ONLY to allow the town to concentrate on more important matters without the drone of a million terrible posts buzzing in our heads. Also, you may use this name if you ever wish to hydra someday, but I require my name in the signature.

@PapaZito - Allow me to explain the MattP wagon. While I don't understand where Korlash thinks he factors in to MattP's post 233, he is completely correct that it feels phoned in. See also,

It's the Death Miller thing, ain't it? I musta hit a chord with that one.

Confirmed town.

Slandaar is town for his argument with chesskid. Chesskid just wants people to love him, qq.

Okay, Korlash self vote is null. Just looked at past games.

VOTE: Chesskid

Vijay is town.

Ludi is scum for #194.

Kdowns is town.

His peace love images read that he doesn't give a fuck and only town doesn't give a fuck.

The first post had chunks cut out of it to look nicer, but there's a lot of absolutes there that shouldn't be much more than gut reads. Explanation is at an all time low. I am slightly reluctant to move my vote from Elli.

Unvote, VOTE: MattP

@Tierce - Ready for one more brainbender of a crazy theory? Watch as Fate doesn't let anyone replace out.

[MattP]

I didn't explain things that were obvious or gut.

[Korlash]

What do you need help with? My personal scum tell, or his uncolorful seemingly phoned in scum list?

The list.

Especially if its got some dissonance between scum and wagons etc

Naw, I wouldn't say it has any relationship to the wagons. I can't deny I find it odd MOST of his town reads are or have been some of the main focused "wagons", short of you and Glork. But I wouldn't say it outright means anything.

Mainly, I just don't think his list matches up. For instance, his first post has a comment about V2V's vote being 'shitty textbook play' (which I take as a negative comment due to the prior two comments involving 'shit' being obviously negative comments, negative implying suspicion or scum) yet in his next post he says V2V is town for... nothing(?)... I mean what the fuck, he doesn't even score 'low' on the town list?

He says shmugen is scum for, what appears to me, being a comment about how Teirce shouldn't be waggoned... Which should match the view 'teirce is town', which Matt obviously has (he said it twice in fact)... Yet he calls Shmugen scum for having a similar, if not the same, view? What the fuck is that?

And in his first post he votes NEAR... Places his vote on near, over his other two scum reads (Shmugen and Elli) yet in his next post he placed Near at the TOP (least) of the scum list with Eli and Shmugen being MORE scum... Absolutely no reason given as to how this 180 happened. Absolutely no reason given as to how Shmugen somehow became his new number one...

Actually... I'm looking at his posts now... I do see a sort of correlation between his town reads and the wagons... For every one of his town reads he simply says "blank is town" except Glork (the non-wagon) he actually delves into a reasoning as to why Glork is town... Yet no reasoning (except arguably Chess I suppose) as to why the others are town...

And he votes his only scum read NOT to have a wagon/suspicion elsewhere...

I suppose there is a bit of dissonance between the two, but I hardly call it outstandingly so.

I didn't explain things that were obvious or gut.

So all of your scum reads are gut??

[kuribo]

o gods of murder
grant me the fury to lynch the scum that i can
the rage to scream at the village idiots that i can't
and the scumdar to know the difference

[Magister Ludi]

I'm going whole hog here.

If chesskid doesn't provide flavor AND perhaps a role name, I think he is scum who has fake claimed miller here. Usually miller claims in normals are all treated the same way, but this is a theme game, obviously. I'd like to know the particulars about his millerhood, what he investigate as, flavor etc. I think this is really important (I've seen it before. In Amrun's game of OvTvS, redFF claimed a miller but couldn't really come up with a good flavor backing behind it, he turned out to be scum.)

And I have ++ additional reasons that make me particularly inquisitive, not to mention the fact glork has chimed in with being a miller of sorts, I've only seen double millers once or twice, and both in extraordinary circumstances.

AND, if chesskid actually turns out to make sense, then we have an almost confirmed town, and force scum to waste a nightkill on a miller.

~~

I do second the chorus of calls for this almost out of game vitriol to cease. I like most people in this game, I see no reason we can't be civil here.

[Korlash]

Someone explain the MattP wagon, I don't get it.

Maybe people think I'm brilliant?

I don't get it either really. I always vote my personal scum tells but I rarely expect people to actually follow me... *scratches head* it's a good wagon though, I approve of it very much.

While I don't understand where Korlash thinks he factors in to MattP's post 233, he is completely correct that it feels phoned in.

... Sorry, what? Where I think I factor into his post 223? What do you mean? I are confussled! O.o

The first post had chunks cut out of it to look nicer, but there's a lot of absolutes there that shouldn't be much more than gut reads. Explanation is at an all time low. I am slightly reluctant to move my vote from Elli.

Even more bothersome for me than his lack of explanations for his reads are his lack of explanations for his change of reads. Primarily his ordering. Neither his town list nor his scum list look particularly well thought out.

[Shmugen]

My apologies, Korlash, I misread one of your posts. You said 'where it appears to me to be' while I read 'where it appears to be me'

[Shmugen]

Also, I want to hear more from Nuwen, Kdowns, and Katsuki, and ANYTHING from Ojanen.

[Magister Ludi]

Chill shmugen. the game has been open for around one day only, I'm not sure what you're expecting here. Clamoring to hunt down "lurkers" looks pretty scummy at this point, like you want to say something, even if doesn't really makes sense or have a protown purpose.

[Shmugen]

Fair point. This game's pace had me overestimating the amount of time it had been open. Chalk it up to a long day at work.

[chesskid3]

AND, if chesskid actually turns out to make sense, then we have an almost confirmed town, and force scum to waste a nightkill on a miller.

~~

Bite me.

[chesskid3]

I'm not claiming my role name for no reason, with god knows what roles in this game.

You can fuck off. I'm not claiming miller to be fucking conftown, I'm claiming it so investigative PRs don't waste an action.

Now kindly go fuck yourself.

[vijay2vasandani]

Well it's anti-town for now. And since that's the most I got, I'll play that tlll I see something genuinely scummy.

Tell me about kuribo and Toogaloo's voting.

I didnt see anything, which is kinda why I asked about Toogaloo. Kuribo is playing meh-ish, although now that you mention it there's something interesting there. The other game we're playing is ongoing but I'll just say he isn't playing his normal game. On the other hand, he played like this in NY 142 where he was scum. But it's gone so I can't check again

Lynching an uncced miller day one is dumb. There could be another way to sort it out without wasting a mislynch. It's technically a PR so there won't be mass millers unless it's theme related,

so the person claiming could very likely be town

.

As could anyone. Your point being?

This logic doesn't follow.

(To note, I'm not currently interested in lynching chesskid, but this makes very little sense.)

More likely than not is my point. Town are more likely to do it than scum, if only because it's generally safer.
What about it doesn't follow? Miller claims day one are more likely to be town, but that's neither here nor there because whether or not they're town, they get a free pass for day one. Thus, what is chesskid doing with his free pass? Pushing a PL (which doesn't even happen here) on somebody he hasnt played with.

I hate posts like 195. I have no idea what's going on.

Another thing. Slandaar play feels similar to NY 142 when he was antagonised by Beck. He got modkilled though, so let's not let that happen again. He was a VT.

Lol 340.

Anyway, I'm staying on Chesskid. I like this. I'd consider MattP but this is better.