Catch-22 Mafia [The end?]

[Korlash]

Anyway, I'm staying on Chesskid. I like this. I'd consider MattP but this is better.

Wait, what? I thought the gist of your last post was saying how he is more likely town... Did I misunderstand you or are you seriously voting someone you think is town?

[Papa Zito]

MattP's post 233, feels phoned in.

there's a lot of absolutes there that shouldn't be much more than gut reads. Explanation is at an all time low.

So to break this up:

1. One post feels "phoned in" which I'm assuming means fake. Which is funny cuz I read it as genuine.
2. You object to his not typing out "I think x is scum" and instead just posting "x is scum". ??
3. He's not posting reasons behind his reads. When did it become necessary to post reasons behind all your reads? Also has anyone even asked him for reasoning? I can't recall that happening.

I'm sorry, I still don't get it.

I didnt see anything, which is kinda why I asked about Toogaloo.

ehhhh

Both dudes jumped on Ellibereth for an extremely obvious joke. It was opportunistic in the extreme.

PS Stop talking about ongoing games. Even a reference is a flagrant breaking of the rules


@Chesskid: Is there a major advantage for the town to keep the info secret? A confirmed townie is way more useful than a miller.

[Papa Zito]

ARGH TAGS asdl;kfja;sldkjf

[Parama]

I've still never used the multiquote button btw

[Ellibereth]

what's a multiquote button >.>

[Ellibereth]

and what do people think about katsu

[Papa Zito]

and what do people think about katsu

That's a damn good question. brb

[Katsuki]

Also, I want to hear more from Nuwen, Kdowns, and Katsuki, and ANYTHING from Ojanen.

Good luck on that.

[Katsuki]

and what do people think about katsu

Bastion of cupcake towniness.

Speaking of which, what are your thoughts on Spyspy thus far?

[Papa Zito]

oh

Well I agree with his kuribo stance obv.

And I questioned Spy's stance on kuribo as well, so that's a good line of questioning.

so... good?

[Korlash]

So to break this up:

1. One post feels "phoned in" which I'm assuming means fake. Which is funny cuz I read it as genuine.
2. You object to his not typing out "I think x is scum" and instead just posting "x is scum". ??
3. He's not posting reasons behind his reads. When did it become necessary to post reasons behind all your reads? Also has anyone even asked him for reasoning? I can't recall that happening.

I'm sorry, I still don't get it.

How 'genuine' do you read his second post in comparison to his first? He also said "x is town" which is certainly something scum would 'know' *nudge nudge*. And who said anything about 'all' his reads? He gave us, what, 10 reads with 2 explanations? NEITHER of those being on the people he actually voted... I'm sure even you wouldn't have to ask why it's not proper to leave your votes unexplained...

[Korlash]

and what do people think about katsu

Bastion of cupcake- oh... shit, I'm late to the party...

[Magister Ludi]

I'm not claiming my role name for no reason, with god knows what roles in this game.

You can fuck off. I'm not claiming miller to be fucking conftown, I'm claiming it so investigative PRs don't waste an action.

Now kindly go fuck yourself.

Ok, but not going into what I asked looks exceedingly suspicious. At least give me the flavor and what you investigate and why it makes sense you are a miller at all or something that would validate your claim. Surely you didn't expect just to go 'miller' and no one to scratch their head and wonder what is going on. And i'm not sure how other roles being in the game means anything at all here

I'm not sure why you went straight to the 'go fuck yourself'. It's an honest question.

[Magister Ludi]

slightly off topic; Reading kuribo's posts (and a few others,) this is how I think they feel at some times

[Katsuki]

slightly off topic; Reading kuribo's posts (and a few others,) this is how I think they feel at some times

But what does that say for his alignment?

[Magister Ludi]

Given that its one day in and he hasn't done much except spend most of the time wanting to reach through the screen and cap someone, I'll say I don't know. That's generally anti-town, but I think it's par for the course for him.

++ I wanted to use that image

[vijay2vasandani]

Anyway, I'm staying on Chesskid. I like this. I'd consider MattP but this is better.

Wait, what? I thought the gist of your last post was saying how he is more likely town... Did I misunderstand you or are you seriously voting someone you think is town?

No you got it right. Sort of. I was talking about Millers in general. However he's being anti-town atm. As an experienced player he'd know he gets the free town pass so in this case his anti-towness is actually scummy.

PZ, I'm guessing that ongoing game reference is at me. Sorry.

[Slandaar]

it's disingenuous as fuck that you're asking her to quote posts that you know were lost in the crash

The whole post game can be seen;
here

None of post game was lost.

Good job with the bullshitting though

that was also the game where he pushed you and I as scum for the entire game, never broke his tunnel, tried to order the town to claim in the order he wanted, then when it turned out you were both cops, was such an annoying douche that no one would ever believe he was a cop

also the game where i threatened to take him back in time and gas him at Auschwitz

and the fact that he pretends not to fucking remember, and wants you to link it? fuck that

This is what happened; the real version not Kuriboland version;

Day2; I had inno on gf + amrun was super town + UN seemed townish
leaving 3 I voted the scum in the 3 kuribo was like WTF U DOING? so I assumed kuribo is scum

from there he rages at me for some shit and so we get into a war

eventually I hammer UN on Amruns read as Amrun seemed super confident

Next day Amrun counterclaims cop on me

in 9man

Of course I thought its the 2 of them, so what?

Thats what happened, without the bs. This 'tunnel all game' is just lies. Especially on Amrun who I thought was scum based purely on her claim on final day + a bit on day 1 but thats not tunneling. Kuribo on day 2/3 but whatever hes an idiot, I had 2 innos with 6 alive I mean him + Amrun made sense, hes just too much of a moron to see from my pov the truth of the matter.

WiH you actually weren't that bad in post game that I remember, but you annoyed me a bunch in the game here and there, which was lost. The time that really stuck out in my head was redFF's game, which you KNOW was lost, so stop acting like it's fucking suspicious to reference it. I remember thinking, "God, this guy wasn't this much of a stupid douche in WiH."

So why name it? you said I was some terrible person in post game wih so fucking link it. Your bullshit is ridiculous where is this proof? I have enough postson site for you to link ONE post of minethat was out of line.

anyway, I linked, there are 50pages that should be enough for you to link from. We are talking about post game and for some reason you are saying 'oh the odd post of yours in a game you posted 700+ posts' I found mildly annoying when I was scum? nice job.

So... the fact is your only 'evidence' is a game that doesnt exist that I cant reference to show your bullshit?

Nice Job

Scumbag.

tl;dr: Amruns scum, she is pretending to think im scum hiding behind Kuribo/Chess, her defence of Chess is ridiculous, she failed to link the proof showing what he said is true, even naming WiH and then saying when pressed 'Well you were not that bad as a matter of fact lol woops, theres still that game eaten by tigers!'

VOTE: Amrun

[Tierce]

Vote Tierce

<blablabla I'm insecure so I have to BLABBER BECAUSE I AM A SCUMBAG>

THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP

VOTE: Near

tsk tsk tsk,

intentionally

misquoting someone... You almost got away with it too *shakes head*

Rest of your post just seems uncolorfull. "what's this shit?" followed by 'so and so is town' and 'so is so is scum (for what appears to me to be calling the Tierce wagon bad? Which I don't get since you call her town twice...)'. Then you go on to say V2V is town even with his 'shitty textbook play'... And Near, who you voted, ranks as your 'lowest?' scum suspect? How the fuck is Eli more scum than Near given your first post?

Unvote:, Vote: Matt

Seriousness time is now. *puts on glasses*

I start to glaze over looking at Matt's posts this game so help me here because based on YOUR WORDS this might be a damn good direction to move.

I just want to make sure your words and my words can make sweet baby words.

Fixed the quote, and no, this is definitely not a good direction. It's not because MattP is calling me town (goodness knows that scum are often the biggest defenders of obvtownTierceread), but:
1) Town "intentionally misquotes" all the time, as often or more as scum do--because town feels at liberty to mock other players. No one in their right mind looks at MattP's post and assumes that was what Near actually wrote;
2) MattP isn't afraid of contradicting himself in the span of a couple of posts. Sure, scum make contradictions, but they are usually spread over days/game days, as their intentions change and they need to push more mislynches. I'd expect scumMattp to take care about his consistency in his initial posts.


And you two should know this.

FOS: SpyreX, Korlash

This thread is full of moron and I could switch my vote to mattp.

Oh look another.

FOS: Staeg

Yo Staeg. Is SpyreX your designated shepherd since Fate is modding? We should probably clear that up before moving on.

This thread is full of moron and I could switch my vote to mattp.

why don't ya'

Well cause vijay's also a decent place to vote and I thought the votes were at 2 for vijay and 1 for matt and I like nuwen more than korlash and umm

unvote
vote: Mattp

Oh that's right. It's a decent sheep if he's town, but MattP is protown. Shoo.

@Near--you are missing several possibilities in that assumption of yours that I am scum assuming the VTs are all 'nameless'.

Including 'pure (town) idiocy'. Yes, I am quite capable of it.

(Seriously, I don't want to debate this now.)

Ya, my argument was sort of forced (intentional). But I would have liked to see more direct defenses from you along with other people's comments.

...Your argument needed me to discuss my role. Is there any wonder I'd rather just handwave you away from me

on frigging Day 1

? In what world is it protown for me to reveal whether or not I'm a VT at this stage just because you are wondering about my initial three-conftown read

that has been dismissed

? If we still had three conftown, I might be willing to claim because it would give us a LOT of Innocent Children, but we don't. I am not going to dance just for you.


kuribo, stop getting distracted by mindless rage. EYES ON THE PRIZE. We don't win if we lynch through the VIs, we win if we lynch the scumbags.

What a miserable read this was.

@KuriboKID - Yes, Slandaar makes me want to eviscerate myself, but if you can bite down on a stick and bear it, I don't think he's the day 1 play if we're honestly shooting for scum. You're currently allowing him to jabber at you rather than talk about the game. He should not be allowed to survive too long IF ONLY to allow the town to concentrate on more important matters without the drone of a million terrible posts buzzing in our heads. Also, you may use this name if you ever wish to hydra someday, but I require my name in the signature.

@PapaZito - Allow me to explain the MattP wagon. While I don't understand where Korlash thinks he factors in to MattP's post 233, he is completely correct that it feels phoned in. See also,

It's the Death Miller thing, ain't it? I musta hit a chord with that one.

Confirmed town.

Slandaar is town for his argument with chesskid. Chesskid just wants people to love him, qq.

Okay, Korlash self vote is null. Just looked at past games.

VOTE: Chesskid

Vijay is town.

Ludi is scum for #194.

Kdowns is town.

His peace love images read that he doesn't give a fuck and only town doesn't give a fuck.

The first post had chunks cut out of it to look nicer, but there's a lot of absolutes there that shouldn't be much more than gut reads. Explanation is at an all time low. I am slightly reluctant to move my vote from Elli.

Unvote, VOTE: MattP

@Tierce - Ready for one more brainbender of a crazy theory? Watch as Fate doesn't let anyone replace out.

Considering you are moving your vote from town to town...
And the theory is absurd and not helping me catch scums.

What do you need help with? My personal scum tell, or his uncolorful seemingly phoned in scum list?

The list.

Especially if its got some dissonance between scum and wagons etc

Naw, I wouldn't say it has any relationship to the wagons. I can't deny I find it odd MOST of his town reads are or have been some of the main focused "wagons", short of you and Glork. But I wouldn't say it outright means anything.

Mainly, I just don't think his list matches up. For instance, his first post has a comment about V2V's vote being 'shitty textbook play' (which I take as a negative comment due to the prior two comments involving 'shit' being obviously negative comments, negative implying suspicion or scum) yet in his next post he says V2V is town for... nothing(?)... I mean what the fuck, he doesn't even score 'low' on the town list?

He says shmugen is scum for, what appears to me, being a comment about how Teirce shouldn't be waggoned... Which should match the view 'teirce is town', which Matt obviously has (he said it twice in fact)... Yet he calls Shmugen scum for having a similar, if not the same, view? What the fuck is that?

And in his first post he votes NEAR... Places his vote on near, over his other two scum reads (Shmugen and Elli) yet in his next post he placed Near at the TOP (least) of the scum list with Eli and Shmugen being MORE scum... Absolutely no reason given as to how this 180 happened. Absolutely no reason given as to how Shmugen somehow became his new number one...

Actually... I'm looking at his posts now... I do see a sort of correlation between his town reads and the wagons... For every one of his town reads he simply says "blank is town" except Glork (the non-wagon) he actually delves into a reasoning as to why Glork is town... Yet no reasoning (except arguably Chess I suppose) as to why the others are town...

And he votes his only scum read NOT to have a wagon/suspicion elsewhere...

I suppose there is a bit of dissonance between the two, but I hardly call it outstandingly so.

I didn't explain things that were obvious or gut.

So all of your scum reads are gut??

*Tierce

This does not make him scum.

So to break this up:

1. One post feels "phoned in" which I'm assuming means fake. Which is funny cuz I read it as genuine.
2. You object to his not typing out "I think x is scum" and instead just posting "x is scum". ??
3. He's not posting reasons behind his reads. When did it become necessary to post reasons behind all your reads? Also has anyone even asked him for reasoning? I can't recall that happening.

I'm sorry, I still don't get it.

How 'genuine' do you read his second post in comparison to his first?

He also said "x is town" which is certainly something scum would 'know' *nudge nudge*.

And who said anything about 'all' his reads? He gave us, what, 10 reads with 2 explanations? NEITHER of those being on the people he actually voted... I'm sure even you wouldn't have to ask why it's not proper to leave your votes unexplained...

Oh god

this

is the mother of all crap reads.
And how many players have made unexplained votes that you haven't suspected them for? Why is it a scumtell with MattP but not with others?


Ignoring the whole chess/Slaandar/kuribo crap and hoping someone drops a bomb on them.

[Glork]

I explained pretty clearly already.

Nope. You threw out a whole bunch of bullshit and then waved your hands and went "See? Slandaar is scum!"

I mean, if you really want me to lynch you before I lynch your scumbuddy, I don't mind flipping the wagon over. But you're going to have to do a shit-ton better than this if you don't want to eat lead very soon.




Also, Staeg should totes sheep me.

Elli: Kats seems fine to me. If he's throwing kuribo under the bus, I figure we'll know soon enough.

[Glork]

Also, seriously, Post 367 does not come from scum. This is retarded.

[vijay2vasandani]

Hey gusy, sorry but

I will be LA for a week. I can still post, around once a day, but not as much as I normally do. Ran out of internet bandwidth XD

[Korlash]

Fixed the quote, and no, this is definitely not a good direction. It's not because MattP is calling me town (goodness knows that scum are often the biggest defenders of obvtownTierceread), but:
1) Town "intentionally misquotes" all the time, as often or more as scum do--because town feels at liberty to mock other players. No one in their right mind looks at MattP's post and assumes that was what Near actually wrote;
2) MattP isn't afraid of contradicting himself in the span of a couple of posts. Sure, scum make contradictions, but they are usually spread over days/game days, as their intentions change and they need to push more mislynches. I'd expect scumMattp to take care about his consistency in his initial posts.


And you two should know this.
FOS: SpyreX, Korlash

1) You're welcome to back this up if you want, I'm more than willing to listen to evidence against my personal tells, but it likely wont convince me otherwise. I don't call these my personal tells for nothing, and I sure as hell don't use them willy nilly. I am not, nor do I ever, saying that anyone should be lynched for a personal tell of mine. I use them to find suspects, nothing more. If Matt is towny enough that I am unable to build a legit case on him and convince others, then kudos to him. But just be forewarned, don't try to derail his wagon based on my scum tell, because it's not going to work.

2) Cool, that's your opinion then. Wish you had let him say it, it might have made a difference then. Now it means shit. If he is town and this is some kind of legit play from him, then let him defend himself against the wagon and we can decide for ourselves. (I personally have never played with Matt for long enough to know how he plays one way or the other, so while I appreciate your opinion I need to come to my own conclusion on it, specifically through discussion with him.)

sorry, who the fuck are you? Do you even know me? What makes you an expert on what I should and shouldn't know? And should I know 1, 2, or both? From my point of view I 'should know' neither of them. (It's called a Korlash personal tell, so I certainly shouldn't know 1. And I've never seen Matt flip in a game I've played with him, so I can't know his town play, thus shouldn't know 2. It's a nice quip there at the end and all that, but it's misplaced)

Oh look another.

FOS: Staeg

Wait, are you starting an 'anyone who is against Matt is scum" campaign here? because that's only going to spur on his wagon you know. You should stop this, it's stupid.

This does not make him scum.

*claps* great argument. You've totally convinced me. What in God's name was I thinking... *Polite laughter*

It doesn't make him town either, so I'll stick to it until i see something from him to suggest I should look elsewhere. (Or I see something sufficient elsewhere, I'm not blind or tunneling or anything... >>)

Oh god this is the mother of all crap reads.
And how many players have made unexplained votes that you haven't suspected them for? Why is it a scumtell with MattP but not with others?

Hi, I'm Korlash. Expect it. *shakes hand*

It's a scum tell for him because it doesn't make sense. You just read my 'case' you should know this. His vote on Near, doesn't match his placement of Near on his scum list, nor does it explain how Shmugen got to be his new number one OVER near, who were both called scum in the same post. IT MAKES NO SENSE WHICH IS WHY NO EXPLANATION IS SCUMMY!

He has added stuff alongside his vote that makes me infer his vote as fake/unthought out which makes it suspect, savy? Saying "Vote: Player X" without reason as a standalone action, has no other stuff, and thus is not AS suspect.

Don't try this 'oh, if everyone jumped off a bridge' style argument, it doesn't work against me. I'm too fucking stubborn.

[kuribo]

Also, seriously, Post 367 does not come from scum. This is retarded.

ugh, you're probably right. the constant OMGUS of suspecting everyone that suspects him is par for the course with this retard

he's playing straight into his town meta, so he's either hand-in-pants stupid town or scum that's brilliantly self-aware of his own meta

and i don't know that I can get behind any idea that involves slandaar being brilliant at anything. so, new plan: we all call him town, refuse to back down on that stance, and hopefully scum has to nightkill him. or me. either way, i win.

the MattP wagon is interesting, but I don't know that I feel it. i've mis-read matt before

i'm on the fence about katsuki, I can't read him for shit and he knows it, but the last time he called me scum was Weather Mafia II, where he was scum.

Spyspy still worries me because I feel he'd buddy me as usual as scum

I'm going to look through the game again later. in the meantime:

unvote
Vote: Vijay

vijay seems to be egging on the me / chesskid / slandaar thing by trying to buddy me, calling Slandaar town, and pushing a lolmiller wagon. most of the players have said that this 3-way-dance isn't helping the town, but vijay seems more than willing to feed it.

[Staeg]

Glorky, not yet - let me sleep for a bit and come up with clarity in the morning... evening... thing


Tierce, no, I am not sheeping spyspy just yet (I still have some form of grip on this game)

Agreed with glork on slandaar, and it currently seems like he won the slandaar vs haters argument