Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[RichardGHP]

Second Vote Count of Day 1

Lynch:

image [2] drmyshotgun, Ser Arthur Dayne
Espeonage [1] D3f3nd3r
drmyshotgun [1] Phillammon
PeregrineV [1] guille2015
Malakittens [2] The Trollie, Espeonage
TheTrollie [1] brundibar
Ser Arthur Dayne [1] image

Not Voting [4] PeregrineV, BK201, sword_of_omens, Malakittens

Quarantine:

image [1] drmyshotgun
Espeonage [1] D3f3nd3r
D3f3nd3r [1] Phillammon

Not Voting [10] PeregrineV, brundibar, Espeonage, TheTrollie, BK201, sword_of_omens, guille2015, Malakittens, Ser Arthur Dayne, image

V/LA: sword_of_omens, this weekend

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to quarantine. A reminder that quarantine is locked as soon as a majority is reached.
Deadline for this day is June 23, 1630h UTC+12.

[Malakittens]

Wish I had my ROMS buddies here. I do repeat myself a lot, but that doesn't make me scummy in the least bit. I do it often, so, it's a null tell. I have always been lynched in past games for doing just that, but also due to the fact I'm just a jumpy townie. I'm usually lynched by day 2-4 for that behavior. Also yes I question everything that's my style of hunting.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wish I had my ROMS buddies here. I do repeat myself a lot, but that doesn't make me scummy in the least bit. I do it often, so, it's a null tell. I have always been lynched in past games for doing just that, but also due to the fact I'm just a jumpy townie. I'm usually lynched by day 2-4 for that behavior. Also yes I question everything that's my style of hunting.

And how do you play as scum?

[Malakittens]

I have never been scum. Played 7 ROMS games all of which I been town.

[image]

Now my claim. With a mechanic like Quarantine, I figured that everyone would be jumping to claim VT if they are in fact VT in the hope that it would mean that there is less likelihood of wasting it on someone that doesn't have a power. For the cynical ones, there are 'likely' to be goons who would also claim VT as it is the most safe claim to make, and goons also have nothing to do at night as kills are 'generally' a team thing meaning kills should go through regardless of quarantine. I want to make this point very clear so that we don't waste time early game in the case that a townie gets quarantined and scum think they're smart but no killing. This won't work until there is only 1 scum left.

So you want everyone who is VT to claim it so that we can jail someone else so as not to "waste" the jail on a VT? That has got to be the lamest excuse for rolefishing I have heard. If we went through with this, the scum would know exactly who has a power role, and your justification is so that we can jail another one of the power roles, most of whom are probably town?

Next point: Phill, NEVER I repeat, NEVER use an RNG to choose your rvs vote. The idea of the RVS is that people can start to get reads. But by RNGing your vote you effectively skip this and instead disassociate yourself from your vote which is anti-town. I won't be following this up yet, because Mala is already doing scummy stuffs, but bear it in mind for future games. You help literally noone.

Firstly, that was me, not Phill. Secondly, if it makes you feel better, you can pretend I said something witty like "Because swords are dangerous" with my initial vote.

[Espeonage]

@ Mala: Self meta is unreliable at best. Also, It's just a vote.

@ Image:
No I don't want everyone to claim. I expected a couple of claims which was one of the reasons I wanted to get in early. I was assuming everyone in the game power role or not to be claiming VT on the first day. I wouldn't consider it to be rolefishing. I have been working under the assumption everyone would respect the mechanic instead of ignoring it. Or using it stupidly. Why would you ever vote to quarantine who you are voting for like someone people have. If you want them dead then why the hell are you roleblocking them after they are already dead. It makes no sense.
Second point: Phill did it to, that was the one I saw. Shame on you too them.
Also you have completely missed the rvs. If everyone treats it seriously then it is actually useful. By not trying to come up with something serious from the get go you are holding town back. Every post that someone makes can and should be put under scrutiny. (makes grumble comment about how MS has been going downhill for the past two years.)

[Malakittens]

Claims EARLY in Day 1 aren't really town helpful. At least role fishing is not helpful. It's bad to give the scum hints because they are most likely to pick up on it and kill you that night. I agree that lynching someone and attempting to quarantine to protect/role block them is not that helpful. Personally, I rather Vote someone I think is scummy and then quarantine someone else who I believe is scummy.

I don't really agree with pressure votes or RNG votes. It's not pro town. A bit of pressure after D2 is needed to make the lurkers start posting though..

Like I said the more posts townies make then the scum have to be forced to post. When the scums post then they are most likely to slip up with a mistake and be caught. That's the main belief I go by when playing MS/ROMS.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@ Mala: Self meta is unreliable at best. Also you have completely missed the rvs. If everyone treats it seriously then it is actually useful. By not trying to come up with something serious from the get go you are holding town back. Every post that someone makes can and should be put under scrutiny.

Ummm, no. That is not how RVS works. You think voting someone if their name sounds funny, or you have a rivalry with them from a part game, or you don't like their av is any different than saying they used random.org to pick a random vote? Highly unlikely.

Scum can and have been caught in the RVS stage in 2 ways: (1) Trying too hard at fitting in and (2) Making awkward posting in the beginning before they start getting the feel of the game.

This game's RVS has basically been useless. It has basically consisted of kittens getting her av, zombies, and you and your little dance.

I don't really agree with pressure votes or RNG votes. It's not pro town. A bit of pressure after D2 is needed to make the lurkers start posting though.

Wait, what? o.O This is the second time you said something like this. The first:

Ser you make it seem like you enjoy pressure votes.

I

do

enjoy pressure voting. How do you expect we catch scum if we don't put pressure early on? In fact, one of the alternatives I toy with sometimes instead of RVS is picking a random target, having everyone bandwagon them to L-1, discussing, and then hammer in the middle of discussion. Yes, it

may

sound kinda crazy, but it actually gains a lot more information than RVS would ever gain. Not matter the person's alignment, analysis can be made on who did what, what they said, how they reacted, etc...

Like I said the more posts townies make then the scum have to be forced to post. When the scums post then they are most likely to slip up with a mistake and be caught. That's the main belief I go by when playing MS/ROMS.

But why can't scum post a lot regardless? The level of posting is more dependent on playstyle and less dependent on alignment. Someone who posts a lot will post a lot no matter what. Take Faraday for example. No matter what, he's going to be posting a lot. It's not like scum are afraid to post or something. Also, scum-slips are very rare, especially in a none-bastard game (which, I'm assuming this is ). Basic mechanics are known by most players, so it's very rare that someone would slip in that regard.

[brundibar]

Second point: Vote: Malakittens

You have started this game in the stereotypically scummy fashion of appearing overly nervous. You have commented on absolutely everything, and you keep repeating yourself every time someone says something you have agreed with. Already yuou are exhibiting IIoA with your refusal to follow up on alot of your 'ideas' which cooinceidentally seem to fit in with the bog standard neutral reading which is another sign of trying to artificially fit in. I think that's enough for now.

I'm surprised you see this as scummy, and not just newb. I'm not saying it's not scummy, but I am saying his behaviour thus far has been incredibly newbish.

[Malakittens]

Yeah, I'm going back to my site after this game is over. Apparently even though the two sites are similar everything is different. I don't fit in here basically I mean. <.<

[Phillammon]

Yeah. Your site has some pretty weird meta, I took a look.

Anyway, we need to get back on track. @Espeonage, IGMEOU.

[D3f3nd3r]

My opinion on Quarantine:

1. When to use: Say we have a cop. He says that he got a "scum/guilty/not town" result on someone. If nobody counterclaims, quarantine him.

2. When to leave: Just about everywhere else.

3. If you self-quarantine, you become "obvscum" in my mind.

UN-QUARANTINE

[Phillammon]

I'd say it's probably more useful as a public jail, and use in a similar manner- ie, going for people we suspect to be scum to stop them making the kill, particularly in the endgame.

[Espeonage]

I'd say it's probably more useful as a public jail, and use in a similar manner- ie, going for people we suspect to be scum to stop them making the kill,

particularly

ONLY in the endgame.

LMAO FTFY

[Espeonage]

Second point: Vote: Malakittens

You have started this game in the stereotypically scummy fashion of appearing overly nervous. You have commented on absolutely everything, and you keep repeating yourself every time someone says something you have agreed with. Already yuou are exhibiting IIoA with your refusal to follow up on alot of your 'ideas' which cooinceidentally seem to fit in with the bog standard neutral reading which is another sign of trying to artificially fit in. I think that's enough for now.

I'm surprised you see this as scummy, and not just newb. I'm not saying it's not scummy, but I am saying his behaviour thus far has been incredibly newbish.

I go by the philosophy that everyone knows what they are doing until they prove themselves otherwise, simply because alot of people try to play to the I'm a newbie, it's not my fault sympathies. If you want examples I know alot of players that at least used to do this ALL the time. This is why having discernible meta is very important. I hate it when people come in to non newbie games without having played here before.

[brundibar]

Second point: Vote: Malakittens

You have started this game in the stereotypically scummy fashion of appearing overly nervous. You have commented on absolutely everything, and you keep repeating yourself every time someone says something you have agreed with. Already yuou are exhibiting IIoA with your refusal to follow up on alot of your 'ideas' which cooinceidentally seem to fit in with the bog standard neutral reading which is another sign of trying to artificially fit in. I think that's enough for now.

I'm surprised you see this as scummy, and not just newb. I'm not saying it's not scummy, but I am saying his behaviour thus far has been incredibly newbish.

I go by the philosophy that everyone knows what they are doing until they prove themselves otherwise, simply because alot of people try to play to the I'm a newbie, it's not my fault sympathies. If you want examples I know alot of players that at least used to do this ALL the time. This is why having discernible meta is very important. I hate it when people come in to non newbie games without having played here before.

While I agree that this isn't the best place to play a first game, it wouldn't be a good idea to lynch somebody who's just giving newb reads over scum reads.

[drmyshotgun]

Will post soon.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'd say it's probably more useful as a public jail, and use in a similar manner- ie, going for people we suspect to be scum to stop them making the kill, particularly in the endgame.

In a closed game like this, this doesn't work. After we down 2 scum, it would be nice, but it would hurt if anyone here was a vig.

[guille2015]

We should still use the quarantine on the second most suspicious player. I don't like the idea that some of you are putting out that we not use the quarantine.

[BK201]

Hey everyone, just wanted to let you know I didn't forget about this game. I'll read this game Monday

[D3f3nd3r]

Quarantine has its positives and it's negatives.

Positives of JK:
Keeps target from attacking (if scum)
Keeps target from dying (if town)

Negatives of JK:
Keeps target from dying (if scum)
Keeps target from using PR (if town)

Negatives of public JK:
Scum can use another scum to kill.
Scum can't attempt to kill a claimed PR.

The quarantine is more useful for scum than it is for town, IMO.

[guille2015]

I disagree. I'm on the phone and going to sleep, so I'll be quick.

You are assuming that mafia has no power roles. If say mafia has one goon and x PRs, if we quarantine scum then we effectively remove one PR.

[drmyshotgun]

Meh. I think it's kinda stupid to jail the second suspect in hopes of stopping them from killing town. At least, that doesn't work until there is only 1 killer, since their partner(s) can just go ahead and do the kill.

This is good point.

[drmyshotgun]

Thinking image knows something we don't.

Why do you think that is a bad thing (I'm assuming you do because you voted for him right after)?

It was half-serious and half-joke. Was trying to get some information. Everything's a possibility.

[drmyshotgun]

I think Espeonage is Town, but what he wanted us to do with his claim I'm unsure.

I think we should quarantine confirmed non-PRs. Like people who were cleared by Cop.
If we quarantine the Cop, he can't investigate no more. But when he's out there, he has chance of Doc protection and maybe keep investigating.