Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[guille2015]

It's good to know that some of you are in agreement with me, but being in disagreement does not merit a lynch on Espeonage.

I am suspicious of Espeonage, but not because he disagrees with me, but from a couple of reads I got in our discussion.

FOS Espionage

until I get the question above answered by a few players.

and

UNVOTE: PeregrineV

[sword_of_omens]

This doesn't make sense. VT's should not be claiming. If all the VT's claimed, we would single handedly paint a target on all of our PR's. and yes, it sounds like you ARE rolefishing..

2. Yes it does. A couple of them. So? How so?

by you initially claiming VT and hinting that you expected more to come forward, you are implying that it is an ok thing to do. If VT's come forward, it narrows down the hit list for scum. That looks like rolefishing to me. And what's to stop scum from claiming VT? This doesn't help town at all.

[sword_of_omens]

It's good to know that some of you are in agreement with me, but being in disagreement does not merit a lynch on Espeonage.

my vote is based on his play, not for disagreeing with you.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It's good to know that some of you are in agreement with me, but being in disagreement does not merit a lynch on Espeonage.

my vote is based on his play, not for disagreeing with you.

[D3f3nd3r]

Still finds Espeonage as scum for self-quarantine.

[drmyshotgun]

I still don't think Espeonage is scum. Still think Espeonage is doing us a favor by letting himself get quarantined.
He probably told the truth with his claim. If it was faked, well, it was a smart move to have convinced me already.

sorry to underwhelm you.

@PV - we should definitely be worried about scum PRs though hence why i suggest quarantining scum.

Him getting on the wagon is the most suspicious jump so far in this game.
And who mentioned about scum PRs again??
VOTE: Trollie

[Malakittens]

I disagree. I'm on the phone and going to sleep, so I'll be quick.

You are assuming that mafia has no power roles. If say mafia has one goon and x PRs, if we quarantine scum then we effectively remove one PR.

This was the first quote which stated a Mafia PR. Makes me wonder if he has inside information that the town doesn't.

FoS here.

[Malakittens]

Actually, I think he might know something for sure. Going against my first Day views, but it's needed and most likely more beneficial to the town if I vote. It helps the scums when townies don't vote or when townies vote late.

Vote: Guille2015

[TheTrollie]

shotty we gotta find a way to be friends

[TheTrollie]

sorry, gunny...but c'mon, lets just <3 eachother

[drmyshotgun]

I thought we were friends.
Were you the first one to mention scum PRs?

[TheTrollie]

yeah. why is that impossible?

[drmyshotgun]

It's not that it's impossible, its the fact that you seem to

know

their existence.

[drmyshotgun]

Thinking that was a slip.

[Malakittens]

It wasn't Trollie who said it first it was Guillie, well, he mentioned them first that someone was assuming that the scum had no PR's.

[RichardGHP]

Fourth Vote Count of Day 1

Lynch:

[1] image - [PeregrineV]
[4] Espeonage - [D3f3nd3r, sword_of_omens, TheTrollie, Ser Arthur Dayne]
[1] drmyshotgun - [Phillammon]
[3] TheTrollie - [brundibar, Espeonage, drmyshotgun]
[1] Ser Arthur Dayne - [image]
[1] guille2015 - [Malakittens]

[2] Not Voting - [BK201, guille2015]

Quarantine:

[1] D3f3nd3r - [Phillammon]
[4] Espeonage - [drmyshotgun, Espeonage, Malakittens, PeregrineV]

[8] Not Voting - [brundibar, TheTrollie, BK201, sword_of_omens, guille2015, Ser Arthur Dayne, image, D3f3nd3r]

V/LA: None

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to quarantine. Note that quarantine votes lock as soon as a majority for it is reached (i.e. as soon as someone accumulates 7 quarantine votes).
Deadline for this day is June 23, 1630h UTC+12.

[drmyshotgun]

It wasn't Trollie who said it first it was Guillie, well, he mentioned them first that someone was assuming that the scum had no PR's.

Meaning Trollie didn't read properly? Okay.

[BK201]

I think Espeonage is Town, but what he wanted us to do with his claim I'm unsure.

I think we should quarantine confirmed non-PRs. Like people who were cleared by Cop.
If we quarantine the Cop, he can't investigate no more. But when he's out there, he has chance of Doc protection and maybe keep investigating.

If there's no sign of a Doc then I think it's best to prolong the Cop's death at least for a night. It forces scum to give us a less obvious NK to analyze.

This doesn't make sense. VT's should not be claiming. If all the VT's claimed, we would single handedly paint a target on all of our PR's. and yes, it sounds like you ARE rolefishing..

2. Yes it does. A couple of them. So? How so?

by you initially claiming VT and hinting that you expected more to come forward, you are implying that it is an ok thing to do. If VT's come forward, it narrows down the hit list for scum. That looks like rolefishing to me. And what's to stop scum from claiming VT? This doesn't help town at all.

Yeah VT's shouldn't claim just to do it. This whole approach is scummy and the jail-mechanic is not an excuse to get away with rolefishing.
VOTE: Espo
Not sure on who to quarantine just yet.

[Espeonage]

Lol BK.

You have all the right things but in the wrong order.

Ok let me tell you your argument. What you said is this: Yeah VT's shouldn't claim just to do it. This whole approach is scummy and the jail-mechanic is not an excuse to get away with rolefishing.

If you want to use the one the others are using it does like this:

VTs shouldn't claim. (leave out the other bit, you're trying to get me lynched not put holes in. I didn' do it just to do it. You even say this later, hypocrisy is a scumtell in many people's eyes no idea why because everyone does it, but anyways.
His approach is scummy and the jail-mechanic is not an excuse to see:claim.
I think he was rolefishing.
See those two things don't have a direct relationship. It has to do with how people see the motivations of the claim not the fact that the claim itself happened. So fixed.

Also, faily sure I've addressed the reasons brought up for why it could be seen as rolefishing so maybe best to leave that out.

Glad to help.

Also Shotgun, I don't think that was a slip. It's an important thing to keep in your mind, I think it's a very safe assumption that there is at least one scum power role. Now if you can point out WHY his sounded like it was bolstered by knowledge then you would have an argument.

[drmyshotgun]

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.

sorry to underwhelm you.

@PV - we should

definitely

be worried about scum PRs though hence why i suggest quarantining scum.

But this sounded a lot like he actually

does

know scum PRs exist.
He doesn't really say how we'll hunt Scum let alone Scum PRs.
Works as an assumption? How would we know if we are quarantining a Scum PR? Are we to lynch them straightaway the next day?

Meanwhile,
UNVOTE:
Cuz we are friends.

[drmyshotgun]

I'd actually think quarantining a generally accepted Town player is better. Works more the better if that person is VT.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.

sorry to underwhelm you.

@PV - we should

definitely

be worried about scum PRs though hence why i suggest quarantining scum.

But this sounded a lot like he actually

does

know scum PRs exist.
He doesn't really say how we'll hunt Scum let alone Scum PRs.
Works as an assumption? How would we know if we are quarantining a Scum PR? Are we to lynch them straightaway the next day?

Meanwhile,
UNVOTE:
Cuz we are friends.

Actually, even if he was scum and he did know there are scum PRs, it wouldn't be a scum-slip, but a stupidity-slip to say that the scums armed to the teeth. I can't see anyone just slipping about giving information like that, because they would be extra careful in making sure they undermine and belittle their team instead of overpowering them in town's mind.

[guille2015]

I still don't think Espeonage is scum. Still think Espeonage is doing us a favor by letting himself get quarantined.
He probably told the truth with his claim. If it was faked, well, it was a smart move to have convinced me already.

sorry to underwhelm you.

@PV - we should definitely be worried about scum PRs though hence why i suggest quarantining scum.

Him getting on the wagon is the most suspicious jump so far in this game.
And who mentioned about scum PRs again??
VOTE: Trollie

I disagree. I'm on the phone and going to sleep, so I'll be quick.

You are assuming that mafia has no power roles. If say mafia has one goon and x PRs, if we quarantine scum then we effectively remove one PR.

This was the first quote which stated a Mafia PR. Makes me wonder if he has inside information that the town doesn't.

FoS here.

Actually, I think he might know something for sure. Going against my first Day views, but it's needed and most likely more beneficial to the town if I vote. It helps the scums when townies don't vote or when townies vote late.

Vote: Guille2015

I was the first to point out that scum

might

have PR. And I think this is a better assumption than Mafia not having PR.

[guille2015]

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.

sorry to underwhelm you.

@PV - we should

definitely

be worried about scum PRs though hence why i suggest quarantining scum.

But this sounded a lot like he actually

does

know scum PRs exist.
He doesn't really say how we'll hunt Scum let alone Scum PRs.
Works as an assumption? How would we know if we are quarantining a Scum PR? Are we to lynch them straightaway the next day?

Meanwhile,
UNVOTE:
Cuz we are friends.

Actually, even if he was scum and he did know there are scum PRs, it wouldn't be a scum-slip, but a stupidity-slip to say that the scums armed to the teeth. I can't see anyone just slipping about giving information like that, because they would be extra careful in making sure they undermine and belittle their team instead of overpowering them in town's mind.

I agree with this. Regardless, definitely in this context doesn't give me any hints of whether he knew or not that mafia has PRs. But assuming that mafia has PR and trying to jail mafia is safer than assuming they don't have PRs and therfore we jail Town VTs. I think the latter is a bad Idea.

We either jail suspicious players or we don't jail anyone.

Anyways,

QUARANTINE Trollie

And Id like to vote for Espoenage but I haven't counted the Votes yet. So,

FOS

on Espionage while I count the ways.

[guille2015]

@players with plenty of games played.
What is considered normal, that the faction kill can be used by any mafia member regardless of them using their PR (i.e. as in the 2of4 newbie games) or faction kills can only be performed by scum not using their powers?

I guess nobody is interested in answering. I did a bit of research.

Here is the thing, I checked a few of the completed Mini themes and full themes. They don't specify but in all the cases I've seen the mafia members used different players to perform their actions.

The only ones I've seen that specify are the newbie games.

My guess is that If mafia are allowed to use their PRs and Kill on the same night, they would have been told so. This could have easily be a slip from Espeonage, but I don't think that that is the case, because, thinking how the mechanic of this game works, I find this highly unlikely. If mafia's faction kill was independent of the PRs, then the Quarantine Mechanic is useless, until one mafia remain.

I think we need to focus on those that want to undermine the effectiveness of the Quarantine mechanic.