NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Benmage]

Oh, ya. I think he might've been a slight town read of mine actually. Or maybe was torn? Blanking...

Anywhose I'll iso him.

Whats the case so I know what to look for?

[HezLucky]

Hezz:

And if you are town I will sheep your maxwell read -

actually, I will do this anyway

, given that I am voting you for what looks like a powerbus you pointing out another maf buddy of yours would be a fine play.

So if max is scum regardless, why not help me lynch him?

If you are scum, which I believe you are, the chances of you being lynched drop dramatically.

Maxwell is not going to be hard to start a wagon against.

[StrangerCoug]

My point is several of the issues you have with me could equally be said of a multitude of individuals this game. It would be absurd to call us all scum. And you are doing a poor job of deciphering. I'm sure there is atleast 1 scum in the several lurkers. But you might mislynch 3 times, and lose the game first. Starting with me/followed by psyche. Two townies.

Nice job trying to scare me by saying that you and Psyche are town. It's not working.

Blind blind blind. GOGO TUNNELVISION!!!!! HUZZAH

This is where I go I'm > U... and endgame proves this.

Still not working.

SC

, do you agree that there is a common practice amongst scum to lurker hunt?

No.

Maybe I was too ambiguous. Do you think the site, recognizes lurker hunting as a scum tactic?

No.

[Maxous]

vote:FakeGod

Still going for this. Fake God is constantly saying nothing and just popping down votes without explaining anything.
The only opinion he gave apart from his votes was stating that shotgun should'nt be confirmed town.
Jason was pretty scummy too with his walls that were very lacking in substansial opinions. (the only thing was psyche-scum for not answering questions and benmage-scum because benmage said he was'nt gonna read mastin's walls iirc.)

Plausible scumbuddy with lld imo. Nero asked LLD for an opinion of FG 4 times he said and she did'nt answer that she thought it would be a distraction from the Junpei wagon?
How? She was'nt exactly calling FG scum.
Her opinion on Jason was "town as he gets" due to meta or something for the record.
The only other mention was 'I'll have a look at him' at the end of D3.

Psyche might actually be a buddy. LLD calls him null town, states she did'nt like firestarter's scum-read on him.
The only other mention is telling him to start being useful or 'get dead' whatever.
And told Nero she would ISO Psyche to see if she could justify the suspicion on him. She never went back to it though, even though Psyche well, just done the same thing as always.
That little back and forth looked like a weak attempt at distancing imo.

OGML, maybe. She was on the fence really regarding Firestarter.
Bit interesting that LLD did actually go back and ISO Firestarter when Nero asked her for an opinion on him though, in contrast to psyche and FG. Meh.

Nothing else stood out to me much apart from the whole thing with Red.

[Maxous]

@Code X:

ohgodmylife or Hezlucky (most likely SK)

I thought with this comment Andrew was calling OGML and Hezlucky the most likely candidates for a sk.
Thus I thought Andrew was voting OGML cause he thought he was the serial killer and yourself voted OGML for being a mafia buddy of LLD's.
Hence my confusion, but it seems andrew was just calling Hez the sk so nevermind.

Anyone?

I sense as a result LLD will have defending her scum buddies more than attacked them? Thoughts?

Probably true.

I've actually glossed over the SC-benmage debate, I'll go over it later.

[andrew94]

Maxous, vote ohgod today.

fakegod is tommorrows lynch

[maxwell]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: FakeGod

fine with this vote for reasons earlier stated. Decidedly opportunistic voting pattern.

[andrew94]

many people in my scum list are not voting for ogml, instead voting for another scummy guy

ogml must be someone important. like mafia doctor or something.

[Code_X]

I can live with a FakeGod lynch.

Unvote

VOTE: FakeGod

Jason's meta going by an old game where he was scum. Is basically vanish as he did here.

[Code_X]

Ultimately as laid out previously I'm content lynching OGML, FakeGod, Psyche at this point. Maybe Maxous. Maybe Red - though no one will get behind that one.

[DLG]

vote ohgod today.

So, convince me. So far, what I've got is

firestarter guy pretty scummy

and
[quote=""andrew94"]ohgodmylife - the person he replaced.[/quote]
Color me unimpressed.

You either missed, or ignored, my initial request for this information. Please do not, now. If I'm wrong, let me know how.

Also, please address my point here regarding OhGodMyLife.

OhGodMyLife - I think the early Firestarter case of IIoA on his catch-up post was trash. He gave some information in the form of notes on posts of interest to him, but gave analysis for his reads. Also, see here. What possible motive would scum have to point out the possibility that this Day could be Mylo for Town? Scum have a better grasp on the numbers, right now, and gain nothing from alerting Town to a possible danger.

Also, can you explain why you think any protective roles should preferentially target you over The Mini-Librarian?

[DeasVail]

I do not support a FakeGod wagon, but I am not completely against it either.

[Benmage]

Torn on OGML, want to see his next post(s)...Firestarter read town to me actually, this post specifically. post 266

[Benmage]

He's buddied me. Which could be wanting town cred for when I flip town. But Is it odd that both Firestarter and OGML name LLD town? I could see them wanting to make their GF look good.... Like I said, torn. Want to see what he does next.

His votes haven't been good. Could be scum tunneling on June.

[Benmage]

unvote vote OGML

[Benmage]

LLD keeps firestarter(OGML) in the null section. That seems like a strike against.

[Code_X]

Ben - what do you make of the interaction between Anti Hero and LLD? Especially being as he was offed that night.

[DLG]

@DLG I appreciate the analysis, it something to keep doing. Color coordinating the flipped townies and flipped scum can help make it quicker on the eyes.

However the raw data must be weighed with play. If you think this is how a scum pushes through a mislynch, you are dearly mistaken:

Advice noted, without rancor. I agree the formatting could have been better.

In terms of play, how does a scum trying to push through a mislynch differ from a Townie trying to push through a mislynch? I mean, you

were

trying to push the Fallman7 lynch through, weren't you?

Could you please address my case against you, here?

Your lack of direct response to this is reinforcing my scum read on you.

Note that I understand the progression issue, and your defense of the strategy of being willing to lynch a Townie. I do not think it applies in this case due to the points in that case above.

@ Code_X
As a working hypothesis, I kind of agree with your theory regarding how Lady Lambdadelta approached things regarding not heavily bussing. I think some more scum flips will help flesh it out better.

Can you explain how you arrived at the conclusion that Firestarter/OhGodMyLife is scum from this, though? I just don't get it, and want someone to illuminate me if I'm wrong.

I don't support the OhGodMyLife lynch. I do still favor a Benmage lynch. Or, Psyche. I'm going to try to figure out maxwell, next. I'll support a FakeGod lynch, but it's not my top preference.

There's far too many players who are not involved in the current discussions, and that is pissing me off, for what that's worth. This seems like an opportune time for scum to duck out of the limelight. DeasVail, redFF, FakeGod, Psyche, OhGodMyLife, etc. I suppose they are not all scum, but who the fuck knows?

[DLG]

I do not support a FakeGod wagon, but I am not completely against it either.

Oh, look! I found the

Fencesitter

.

Is that traditionally a scum role or a Town role?

[Code_X]

@ Code_X
As a working hypothesis, I kind of agree with your theory regarding how Lady Lambdadelta approached things regarding not heavily bussing. I think some more scum flips will help flesh it out better.

Can you explain how you arrived at the conclusion that Firestarter/OhGodMyLife is scum from this, though? I just don't get it, and want someone to illuminate me if I'm wrong.

I don't support the OhGodMyLife lynch. I do still favor a Benmage lynch. Or, Psyche. I'm going to try to figure out maxwell, next. I'll support a FakeGod lynch, but it's not my top preference.

There's far too many players who are not involved in the current discussions, and that is pissing me off, for what that's worth. This seems like an opportune time for scum to duck out of the limelight. DeasVail, redFF, FakeGod, Psyche, OhGodMyLife, etc. I suppose they are not all scum, but who the fuck knows?

I'm working on the basis LLD didn't bus any of her team-mates or for the minute working on that assumption. I just find it pretty amazing that her list of early door suspects contained no scum bar perhaps SC. But I have a town read on him at present.

Regards Firestarter/OGML. It's more her interaction/comments in relation to Firestarter. Very little was said between OGML and LLD. I need to re-read OGML and Firestarter.
Defends him 387
Slight poke at him in 450 - doesn't feel genuine suspicion.
Null read on him in 502
Again casts suspicion but never really attacks him in 1216

I also think the fact Anti was on to some of the scum, got him killed. Post 493 in particular.

I'm also quite leery of RedFF about this as he was adamant Anti was a vig kill and unlikely to be a scum kill. 1403. Considering Vijay was the other kill. He seems to be diverting things there.

Her post 2368 - could be seen as slight suspicion at FakeGod. She was pro-town on Jason for unknown reasons. From what I know of Jason and the dead QT in Mafia New York 146. He lurks as scum. So didn't see anything remotely pro-town about Jason.

Last point. Agree 100%. But that's been the case for days - too many apathetic players, problem is as you say they can't all be scum but they give the scum opportunity to sit back and lurk.

[DLG]

Hezlucky- slipped. he is prob the Sk.

Can you explain the slip he made?

[DLG]

Regards Firestarter/OGML. It's more her interaction/comments in relation to Firestarter. Very little was said between OGML and LLD. I need to re-read OGML and Firestarter.
Defends him 387
Slight poke at him in 450 - doesn't feel genuine suspicion.
Null read on him in 502
Again casts suspicion but never really attacks him in 1216

I also think the fact Anti was on to some of the scum, got him killed. Post 493 in particular.

I'm also quite leery of RedFF about this as he was adamant Anti was a vig kill and unlikely to be a scum kill. 1403. Considering Vijay was the other kill. He seems to be diverting things there.

So, it's the little bit of waffling (potential distancing) with respect to Firestarter/OhGodMyLife? That could be, and is a point Benmage just made recently. Seems reasonable that scum would dance around reads on partners to keep doors open.

Are you incorporating the Antihero reads as part of your stance on this slot?

I don't know that I'm on board with the idea that Antihero died because of his reads, necessarily. The thing is, I'd think it would be his late Day 1 reads that would make him a target. By then, he had avowed scum reads on Pine and Junpei. Post 796 and Post 879.

Those were the next two lynches in a row, and having Antihero around to support them seems like a better strategy. This wouldn't clear FakeGod in anyway, though, due to Antihero having him at/near the top of his scum reads.

Unless it is redFF that did the killing of Antihero because of Post 901. I can see that as a Serial Killer shot taken by redFF and then him trying to push it off as a vig shot. Could be he was setting the stage for a vig fakeclaim with all that. A serious possibility I need to think about more.

If andrew94 is telling the truth, Scooby took no shots as vig Night 1 or Night 2. That tracks with the two kills those nights versus three kills on Night 3. That would leave vijay2vasandani as the scum kill for Night 1. Need to really scrutinize his late Day 1 scum suspects.

Why/how did you drop suspicion of Benmage? Would you support a Psyche lynch? I think there's more agianst him than OhGodMyLife at this point.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 4-3

(as of Post 2571)

Benmage (4)

- StrangerCoug, HezLucky, FakeGod, DLG

OhGodMyLife (4)

- andrew94, DeasVail, redFF, Benmage

FakeGod (3)

- Maxous, maxwell, Code_X

HezLucky (1)

- OhGodMyLife

Not Voting (2)

- Psyche, The Mini-Librarian

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline:

Thursday, June 21 at 1pm CDT

Replacing:

No one

Prods (48 hours):

OhGodMyLife
The Mini-Librarian
FakeGod

V/LAs:

None

[OhGodMyLife]

Hi. Haven't read since my last post. I have some pressing RL issues to handle this afternoon, I'll be back with a more thorough post tonight.

[FakeGod]

Prod received. However,

V/LA until Friday

. Finals week.