Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[Espeonage]

Hey Trollie, you just got beat at your own game bro.

Unvote, Vote: guille

Shotgun, want to help shotgun vote this wagon into action?

[guille2015]

I was on the fence of whether you were Mafia or Town. It seems that this vote of yours, without a valid explanation as to why, other than you feel threatened by me. I count 5 votes on you. I'll add the sixth because I am now convinced that you are mafia.
Nobody Hammer yet, because we still need to decide on the Quarantine.

Vote Espeonage

BTW, You haven't really placed a case for trollie and Me that deserved your vote. They seem like OMGUS votes.

[PeregrineV]

Regarding scum PRs: In normal games, scum can kill or use thier PR, but not generally both. If they are the last scum and they are a PR, then the mod directs them as to whether they can use thier power, thier NK or both.

The existence of scum PRs can be presumed, usually because town PRs exist, and they exist because it adds interest to the game over all vanilla roles. However, the type of caught scum is usually not relevant, since when they are caught they are dead. The total of scum PRs can, in the end, be used to look at balance (and sometimes used to puzzle out night actions in during the game), but should not affect overall scumhunting.

I'd rather use Quarantine to protect someone I find pro-town at this point.

Quarantine: Sword_of_omens

[Malakittens]

I been thinking about the use of Quarantine. And I'm still unsure. I think using it to protect Pro town might be the best way to go since VT are usually the first to get NK since they basically free themselves from suspicions. With them doing that it helps them scum hunt and normally the scum doesn't like that so they kill them.

Though Quarantining someone who is scum decreases the chance at the end of the game to stop NK's. I believe that in the beginning of the game to use it to protect pro town, but at the closer to the end of the game we use it for a scum jail. That's my final opinion on this matter.

[TheTrollie]

ok, looking at the thread with more clarity now:

what i meant about scum PRs is that we dont know if we are quarantining a PR or not but if we quarantine scum, that person MIGHT be a scum PR (assuming we are right that they are scum) and that would be a good quarantine.

Then again, I agree that if we can keep scum from nightkilling a solid, universal town read (or confirmed town) then scum will be forced to kill someone we arent sure about. so yeah, that works. now i just gotta figure out who i think is obvtown

[PeregrineV]

I think the Quarantine can be used to do either protect strong town read or, after we lynch first scum, as a second vote after the lynch. Once we nail the first scum, if we are lynching scum, then we should be quarantining our second suspect to prevent the NK.

I been thinking about the use of Quarantine. And I'm still unsure. I think using it to protect Pro town might be the best way to go since VT are usually the first to get NK since they basically free themselves from suspicions. With them doing that it helps them scum hunt and normally the scum doesn't like that so they kill them.

Though Quarantining someone who is scum decreases the chance at the end of the game to stop NK's. I believe that in the beginning of the game to use it to protect pro town, but at the closer to the end of the game we use it for a scum jail. That's my final opinion on this matter.

I agree with you agreeing with me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Quarantine: Sword_of_omens

. Obvtown, and I need him around to sheep his reads in the future

[PeregrineV]

ok, looking at the thread with more clarity now:

what i meant about scum PRs is that we dont know if we are quarantining a PR or not but if we quarantine scum, that person MIGHT be a scum PR (assuming we are right that they are scum) and that would be a good quarantine.

Then again, I agree that if we can keep scum from nightkilling a solid, universal town read (or confirmed town) then scum will be forced to kill someone we arent sure about. so yeah, that works. now i just gotta figure out who i think is obvtown

Since I have no reason to believe otherwise, I'm thinking 10-3. Right now, with three (and even two) scum, whoever we quarantine, if they are scum, would just not do the kill. The only way to use it to clear townies would be when we are down to the last scum. Until then, protecting town is its only use. Trying to stop scum PRs is secondary, since we should be lynching them if we think they are scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Trying to stop scum PRs is secondary, since we should be lynching them if we think they are scum.

This. If we think someone is scum, jailing them is going to do little and less. If they're scummy, they're getting the rope.

[guille2015]

I still don't like the idea of jailing town. We might end up jailing a town PR. But I understand what you guys are saying. If everyone agrees I'll support quarantining Sword of Omens.

[Malakittens]

Well, if they are VT with no PR's aka Espon, if they aren't lying what could it hurt, Guillie?

[guille2015]

If you were a cop, would you say: "I am a cop, don't Jail me."?

[brundibar]

@Mod: V/LA through Sunday 6/17. Sorry folks, small family emergency and lots of work issues just came up. Should have everything sorted out by the weekend.

[Malakittens]

If I was a cop I wouldn't claim at all. That role is the first to go.

[guille2015]

I rest my case your honor.

[Malakittens]

But that's not what I was talking about. What I was saying someone who claimed: Vanilla Townie. What is the benefits of letting him not be jailed to being jailed?

[Espeonage]

I was on the fence of whether you were Mafia or Town. It seems that this vote of yours, without a valid explanation as to why, other than you feel threatened by me. I count 5 votes on you. I'll add the sixth because I am now convinced that you are mafia.
Nobody Hammer yet, because we still need to decide on the Quarantine.

Vote Espeonage

BTW,

You haven't really placed a case for trollie and Me

that deserved your vote. They seem like OMGUS votes.

Sorry forgot people are stupid and can't read between the lines. OMGUS only applies when there is no evidence. Again, brains people, use them.

[Malakittens]

Not saying I'm Espeonage, but the sheer mention of scum PR makes me think you know something about them. That is deff something that would make me cast a vote on either of you. Just saying. >.>

[Malakittens]

Since I believe Esp's claim.

Unvote:
Vote: Thetrollie

[guille2015]

But that's not what I was talking about. What I was saying someone who claimed: Vanilla Townie. What is the benefits of letting him not be jailed to being jailed?

In that case, yes, it's best to jail them. However, we cannot have everyone who is a VT claim they are a VT. Or even a few, mafia can easily start picking out those that do not claim. Bad idea regardless. Means we do not know who is a VT, and I'd suggest that we not claim it either way.

[Malakittens]

I know it's semi far in advance, but I do have a vacation planned from July 7th to the 14th. I'll be posting when I can, if I can.

[TheTrollie]

mala, what is your case against me? that i said something about scum PRs?

[Malakittens]

Yes and because I believe Esp's claim and I don't want him lynched because I feel he's useful to the town and I'd like to keep him around. I don't want a hammer vote to take him out. I tied the votes up(I think). >.>

[TheTrollie]

woah? tied votes up? i didn't even know there were that many votes on me lol. lemme catch up and see whats goin on

[TheTrollie]

ok, this has happened in too many games now. Why am i scummy for thinking that there might be scum PRs? is it

so unbelievable

that there might be? I've gotten votes on me in previous games for doing similar things. I do not get why its a scumtell for me to bring up the possibility of scum PRs at all. Please explain or start using your votes more effectively. Thanks.

@mala: why do you believe the claim? better yet, why is believing the claim a reason to vote me?