NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[StrangerCoug]

We have nine days, people. I still want Benmage to die, but I'll bite a FakeGod lynch.

[andrew94]

people pushing for benmage wagon (TOWN TO ME)
STRANGER ( prob scum) hezlucky (scum/sk) fakegod (scum) dlg (why did you vote him wtf)

people attempting to vote fakegod
maxous (scum) maxwell (scum) code X(why the hell r u on here)

I wont try to convince the scums not to vote ohgod, but dlg and codex should really unvote for the meantime
ok if maxous and/or maxwell moves to the benmage wagon
for ANY reason AT ALL, dlg unvote plx, we dont want a quick
hammer by scum.

a lynch on ohgodmylife is the BEST today.
This is because I think he is scum (Im the only person here apart from mini and dlg you can trust)
and if he flips scum powerrole(e.g. doc) we know that
fakegod, maxous and maxwell are scum.
maybe stranger too, but hes on the null side, along with psyche.
lynching fakegod or benmage gives not as much info for us compared to ohgodmylife.



benmage's post 2545 additionally makes me think he is town


@codex, fake wont get lynched today, hes a distraction.
as i said, i have a feeling maxous or maxwell will move to benmage soon.
Vote ohgodmylife, as that is the only wagon i will be on today.




@dlg that statement by ohgodmylife, anyone can make that.
scum can make that, town can make that, even sk can make that.
That doesnt negate hes scumminess at all.

Why would protective roles target me over mini?
-because mini can get roleblocked.
-because my power is stronger. because i can be confirmed.

Hezzlucky slipped when he automatically said the vig shot lady.
he must have been the Sk to know that.
he then backtracks after i pointed it out

Antihero reads are all Wifom, dont want to go into that.

stranger, vote ohgod.

[StrangerCoug]

stranger, vote ohgod.

OK, if OhGodMyLife flips scum power role, we have a good pool of scum to lynch from. Any other compelling reason?

[andrew94]

So you agree with that statement?

[StrangerCoug]

I see how you want to optimize your chances of lynching scum, but I want your opinion of what OhGodMyLife has done that makes him scummier than Benmage or FakeGod.

[andrew94]

lets say

ohgodmylife flips scum powerrole.
Do you then agree that fakegod,maxous,maxwell,hezlucky are scum?

Lemme answer your question with a question.
Why did i shoot Lady over other people last night?
answer: gut
Why is Ohgod scummy?
answer: gut
besides benmage is town to me and fakegod is scum too. i just want to lynch the scum obvious powerrole. TODAY

[StrangerCoug]

FakeGod and maxwell are likely scum either way. I'd have to take a closer look at Maxous and HezLucky's interactions with OhGodMyLife to be able to answer the question about them, but I have a weaker town read on HezLucky than on Maxous.

UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: OhGodMyLife

[andrew94]

ok sweet.

Strangercoug looks way better now.

[HezLucky]

Hezzlucky slipped when he automatically said the vig shot lady.
he must have been the Sk to know that.
he then backtracks after i pointed it out

Another so-called "slip" that isn't.

I see a dead maf and my first thought is assume vig. This isn't that hard.

It seems as if the mafia are taking over this game. Not liking it one bit. Benmage should have been lynched ages ago.

[andrew94]

So you dont think im the vig?

[DeasVail]

I do not support a FakeGod wagon, but I am not completely against it either.

Oh, look! I found the

Fencesitter

.

Is that traditionally a scum role or a Town role?

Traditionally scum, but I only ever draw it as town.

[DLG]

I do not support a FakeGod wagon, but I am not completely against it either.

Oh, look! I found the

Fencesitter

.

Is that traditionally a scum role or a Town role?

Traditionally scum, but I only ever draw it as town.

Alright, you win the best comeback to snark award. This made me chuckle.

Now, could you help find scum?

andrew94's gut is not good enough to convince me. And, I think an information lynch is not a good play at this point. What is gained if he flips Town?

OhGodMyLife is a Town read, for me. I won't join that wagon.

I'll go with the FakeGod wagon if the Benmage wagon completely dissolves. I really think he's our best lynch for today, though. Could someone give me a quick Benmage!Town rundown. He's failing to convince me himself.

If my reads are so screwed up regarding Benmage and OhGodMyLife, I'd appreciate being shown how/why.

[DeasVail]

Why do you think OGML is town?

[StrangerCoug]

Hezzlucky slipped when he automatically said the vig shot lady.
he must have been the Sk to know that.
he then backtracks after i pointed it out

Another so-called "slip" that isn't.

I see a dead maf and my first thought is assume vig. This isn't that hard.

That there were three deaths last night should have given you pause for thought. It did not, and neither did the fact that few suspected LadyLambdadelta of anything.

[HezLucky]

So you dont think im the vig?

On the contrary, I do.

And if you aren't the situation will resolve itself.

[andrew94]

IF you do believe, then vote OGMl

[DLG]

Why do you think OGML is town?

I don't think I've made any secret about this. I'll indulge you, but I expect some scumhunting in return.

Rack - Benmage and FakeGod
See my Benmage case referenced at the top of #2527. I haven't looked completely at FakeGod, but gut and PoE are ringing scum alarms.

Maxous - not a complete read on my part, but I got no scum vibes from any of his posts contrary to my feelings regarding FakeGod.

OhGodMyLife - I think the early Firestarter case of IIoA on his catch-up post was trash. He gave some information in the form of notes on posts of interest to him, but gave analysis for his reads. Also, see here. What possible motive would scum have to point out the possibility that this Day could be Mylo for Town? Scum have a better grasp on the numbers, right now, and gain nothing from alerting Town to a possible danger.

StrangerCoug - No bad vibes, for me, on reading him, and I particularly liked his stubborn stance re: The Mini-Librarian and the breadcrumb/denial issue.
The Mini-Librarian - I had a decent town feeling on him, albeit the coincidence of Lady Lambdadelta flipping Godfather gave me pause. I accept his claim.

Now, could anyone make that post as andrew94 said? Sure, but it makes absolutely no sense for scum to do so.

Couple that with the fact that I think all his stances have been clear and lucid. I haven't had any feeling of deceitfulness or manipulation. All together, it's enough to make me want to stay off this wagon on him.

Well, that, and the fact that there's this huge rally of "VOTE THE POSSIBLE SCUM PR, RAWR, RAWR!!!". Nothing about this situation feels right, to me. I mean, what the hell is all this based on? No one involved seems to be able to elucidate, just revert back to, "DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT!!!!".

If someone could explain this to me, I'd shut the hell up and fall meekly in line.

Your turn, DeasVail. Who's scum?

[DeasVail]

I don't remember making any such deal, DLG.

I was trying to get a wagon on OGML yesterday, and I still think he's likely scum (especially considering my abundant townreads). Rereading, the most town thing I find about him is not providing reasoning with who he thinks LLD was connected to. Scum would not make such statements without reasoning to back it up, and generally like to show off any analysis they do, so I think it's a pretty good reason to think him town. I still think he's scummy, but would like thoughts on this before having his wagon proceed.

Unvote

I honestly don't see a good reason to consider Benmage scum. It seems to have stemmed from the whole LLD thing, which is a towntell if anything because he had no way of knowing either he or LLD would die anytime soon, so it just seems really necessary. Why not wagon LLD in opposition to Fallman instead? That would make much more sense for scum as in most people's eyes it would be a much more town move.

I think I stated my townreads in a recent post, so pretty much anyone who's not them is a scumread. I'd probably be most confident on maxwell right now, but no one seems to want to lynch him.

[Benmage]

In arush so I can't address the previous questions.

FakeGod and maxwell are likely scum either way. I'd have to take a closer look at Maxous and HezLucky's interactions with OhGodMyLife to be able to answer the question about them, but I have a weaker town read on HezLucky than on Maxous.

UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: OhGodMyLife

So you have Hezz as fairly scummy aye? Why?

[Code_X]

I've got no beef with OGML lynching today.

But, what I don't like is how Andrew is trying to direct the town.

I'll say again Andrew. Why did you claim when you did? There was no reason to. Even if you believe we should lynch OGML - claiming wouldn't help your case. I just find it strange.

[Psyche]

Nearly halfway throughhhh

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 4-4

(as of Post 2595)

OhGodMyLife (4)

- andrew94, redFF, Benmage, StrangerCoug

Benmage (3)

- HezLucky, FakeGod, DLG

FakeGod (3)

- Maxous, maxwell, Code_X

HezLucky (1)

- OhGodMyLife

Not Voting (3)

- Psyche, The Mini-Librarian, DeasVail

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline:

Thursday, June 21 at 1pm CDT

Replacing:

No one

Prods (48 hours):

The Mini-Librarian

V/LAs:

FakeGodJune 15

[OhGodMyLife]

So I gather I'm either dying today or tonight. I'll get my reads together after work tonight so that maybe I can help the town from the grave. But I'll point out again that this is potentially mylo, and the chance of handing the scum victory is significantly higher with andrew's promise to see me dead, since it will be a town controlled kill on town, either by lynch or vig shot. I realize there is a small chance that andrew is the sk, but I find that terribly unlikely without a counterclaim. All this "the vig will just shoot him instead of countering" is bs because its common knowledge that the sk is frequently nightkill immune.

14 alive - lynch town, 13 alive. If the scum, sk and vig all hit town tonight we end up with 10 alive, and there's a very real possibility that the scumteam has five remaining members to immediately endgame.

That's what I've got for now, I'm on my way out the door for my shift but I owed this game a post that I never got to last night.

[HezLucky]

5 mafia in a game of 24 still seems like a bit much.

If we lose this game it will forever be known as the game where most of the mafia made themselves realy obvious with bad play and lurking but we couldn't do anything about it because town were doing the same thing. Fuck site meta.

IF you do believe, then vote OGMl

How does this follow?

I don't trust your scumhunting one bit. You want to shoot me.

[HezLucky]

Going to tell you idiots the mafia right now.

1-2) Two of: Benmage/Psyche/RedFF
3) DeasVeil
4) One of the people you've been calling "town" is not.