NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[andrew94]

@COde_X the whole reason i claimed is so that i can direct the dam town
which the some i find truthfully very lazy. I also have another reason
for claiming, one which i will withhold until we lynch OGML.

e.g. physche wtf?
benmage best town performance?????


@Deasvail i agree that maxwell is scum, but we should lynch ogml, for reasons i have
already stated earlier. It gives us the most information.


@DLG i have already pointed out that anyone can post that.
i have seen scum say 'yo hes at L1, unvote so no quickhammer'
etc etc. scum dont just act from a book called 'scummy actions'.

Im the one that basically said 'do it!!!!'



@Hezlucky you dont trust my scumhunting? i shot Lady bro. It doesnt matter
that i named you as my shot. IF your town, you shouldnt vote my townread.

Who are the mafia according to you? Take out benmage from there.



Going to tell you idiots the mafia

mafia
1) maxwell
2) fakegod
3) ohgodmylife

if ohgodmylife is mafia pr
1) maxwell
2) fakegod
3) maxous

[Maxous]

Why is benmage voting ogml?

I don't get it.

[HezLucky]

@Hezlucky you dont trust my scumhunting? i shot Lady bro. It doesnt matter
that i named you as my shot. IF your town, you shouldnt vote my townread.

Who are the mafia according to you? Take out benmage from there.

Tired of being nice.

Your LLD kill looked more like a lucky shot by a VI than a pro vig. There was no reason to kill LLD besides paranoia. Any "pro-scumhunting" you want to attribute to that kill is completely negated by the fact that you want to vig me.

Given that I won't live to see tomorrow, I refuse to see you singlehandedly lead the town to its doom. I am one of two people that are the sole reason benmage is not going to coast through this game to victory (I sure as hell don't trust your "town" read on him). I'm not going to let you mislynch [hell you could be right about this - I don't have a town read on OGML - but there are 3-4 much much better targets] one town, vig another town while the SK and maf probably kill two more [relying on an SK kill? really?] - knowing that all I ahd to do was yell a little harder and get benmagescum (PRACTICALLY CONFIRMED SCUM I'VE TOLD YOU THE DAMN META) lynched today.

Fuck no.

You are not costing me this fucking game.

[HezLucky]

TL;DR

IF THIS IS THE LAST LYNCH I HAVE ANY SORT OF INPUT ON THIS GAME, I AM NOT GOING TO TRUST ANDREW94'S SCUMHUNTING ABILITY [1 for 2] WHEN OBVSCUM IS RIGHT INFRONT OF US.

[HezLucky]

The only reason Benmage is not lynched yet is because we have some idiot vig who is so full of himself after a bad shot [that turned out good] that he insists on doing things his way for the rest of the game.

Benmage powerbus ubermeta useless fluff HOW THE FUCK IS HE NOT DEAD?

[DLG]

@DLG i have already pointed out that anyone can post that.
i have seen scum say 'yo hes at L1, unvote so no quickhammer'
etc etc. scum dont just act from a book called 'scummy actions'.

Im the one that basically said 'do it!!!!'

Yep, you are, and I'm completely aware of it. It's a piss poor reason to join the wagon, regardless of accepting your vig claim.

I'm not disputing wheter it

can

be posted by scum. I'm saying it makes fundamentally no sense for scum to post that at that time.

I have a huge problem with posts and events being debated with no regard for the context they were made in.

"Benamge is sooooo Townie 'cuz he forgot Rack was lynched, duh!"
Well, that's all cool - except he pushed the damn Rack wagon from pregame until completion. And was wrong. Does anyone as Town truly forget something like that?

Worse still, on Day 2 he tried to minimize his own involvement in the Rack lynch. That's scummy. It's not Townie, no matter how you slice it.

So, fuck that "towntell" bullshit. Look at the damn context.

I honestly don't see a good reason to consider Benmage scum. It seems to have stemmed from the whole LLD thing, which is a towntell if anything because he had no way of knowing either he or LLD would die anytime soon, so it just seems really necessary. Why not wagon LLD in opposition to Fallman instead? That would make much more sense for scum as in most people's eyes it would be a much more town move.

Oh, the bassackwards thinking causes me heartburn.

Look at his vote on Fallman7. It was the 6th damn vote on a wagon that needed

ten votes

to lynch. It was 5 days before deadline. You bet it would've looked more Townie to try to get a counterwagon going on Lady Lambdadelta. You know why? Because it would have

been

a Townier play.

He didn't sieze any opportunity to make Lady Lambdadelta look bad. He siezed an opportunity to rally up a mislynch.

It's also a complete contradiction of his posted reads on these two slots. He was voting Junpei end of Day 2. It's fairly clear he had changed from a Town read on that slot to a scum read. Then, Day 3, there's nothing to indicate a change of heart. But, suddenly, he's rock solid sure that Fallman7 is Town. I call bullshit. I call scum, playing to a scum wincon.

The defense of this is "Look, look, I do this as Town, I sacrifice Town reads to get my scum reads lynched." Great, in isolation, the single action is null, then. But, in context, it's pure scum.

Now, when he can keep the debate to a theory argument, he's all over it. See him and StrangerCoug. But, when I point out the particular situation, here, he just throws in the towel. That's because it's not defensible in this instance. In this context.

It's also a fundamental clue to how cognizant Benmage is of his Town meta. How conscious he is of playing to that meta. He's forcing the issue, it isn't happening due to getting a Town role PM.

So, I'd really, really, truly, unconditionally love to see Benamge lynched. He's going to flip scum, and we could really use a scum lynch.

[DLG]

Ha, didn't see your posts on Preview Edit, HezLucky. Fuckin A, right on, man.

It was a great start to this Day, with the wagon on Benmage. It's ridiculous it fell apart.

[andrew94]

The only reason Benmage is not lynched yet is because we have some idiot vig who is so full of himself after a bad shot [that turned out good] that he insists on doing things his way for the rest of the game.

Benmage powerbus ubermeta useless fluff HOW THE FUCK IS HE NOT DEAD?

read my last vig game.
i shot 3/3 scum.
oh so lady was a bad shot now huh?

[HezLucky]

The only reason Benmage is not lynched yet is because we have some idiot vig who is so full of himself after a bad shot [that turned out good] that he insists on doing things his way for the rest of the game.

Benmage powerbus ubermeta useless fluff HOW THE FUCK IS HE NOT DEAD?

read my last vig game.
i shot 3/3 scum.
oh so lady was a bad shot now huh?

I checked the scummy nominations. You have multiple people who called your play in that game pure luck. I can see why your ego is massively inflated.

You want to shoot me. I am not scum or SK. Good luck convincing me to follow you on this wagon. I won`t. Read DLG's post above. Yes, actually read it - don't skim it.

Benmage is extremely obvious mafia and I am going to fight any attempt to deflect this wagon, whether intentional or not.

[Benmage]

I CANT WAIT FOR ENDGAME FOR MANY LAUGHS.

I've shown this to be my town game, and refuted any shitty point of yours... but you are so dumb and blind. Whats the latest? I'd be hard to lynch as scum (well actually damn near impossible(zomg scum mocking you trying to lynch them? Unfortunately even my balls aint that big. Every scum plays nice(r))).

[HezLucky]

FUCK FUCK FUCK

THAT RESPONSE WAS GOOD.

Unvote

FUCK ME

Benmage, thoughts on DeasVeil?

[andrew94]

okay....
anyway hez, your only chance of winning is to lynch a mafia today.

e.g. Ogml

nice 180

[HezLucky]

okay....
anyway hez, your only chance of winning is to lynch a mafia today.

e.g. Ogml

nice 180

TUNNEL LASERS ACTIVATED

PEW PEW PEW

[Benmage]

DV is town.

[DeasVail]

Rereading, the most town thing I find about him is not providing reasoning with who he thinks LLD was connected to. Scum would not make such statements without reasoning to back it up, and generally like to show off any analysis they do, so I think it's a pretty good reason to think him town. I still think he's scummy, but would like thoughts on this before having his wagon proceed.

[StrangerCoug]

In arush so I can't address the previous questions.

FakeGod and maxwell are likely scum either way. I'd have to take a closer look at Maxous and HezLucky's interactions with OhGodMyLife to be able to answer the question about them, but I have a weaker town read on HezLucky than on Maxous.

UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: OhGodMyLife

So you have Hezz as fairly scummy aye? Why?

I'm sold on the SK slip and backtrack. I'm also reading the reaction to andrew94 wanting to kill him as an OMGUS attack.

If OhGodMyLife is not scum PR, then I will most likely revert to a Benmage attack.

[DeasVail]

Sorry, I'm probably missing something and don't have time to look for it right now, but what's this thing about OGML being a scum PR?

[StrangerCoug]

Talk to andrew94; I'm sheeping him.

[Maxous]

Sorry, I'm probably missing something and don't have time to look for it right now, but what's this thing about OGML being a scum PR?

He thinks scum are setting up wagons to save ogml because he is important

I was actually serious when I asked why exactly benmage is voting ogml.

@Benmage: Can you give a tl;dr please? I don't follow your thoughtline clearly.

[DeasVail]

He thinks scum are setting up wagons to save ogml because he is important

That is silly.

[DLG]

I CANT WAIT FOR ENDGAME FOR MANY LAUGHS.

I've shown this to be my town game, and refuted any shitty point of yours... but you are so dumb and blind. Whats the latest? I'd be hard to lynch as scum (well actually damn near impossible(zomg scum mocking you trying to lynch them? Unfortunately even my balls aint that big. Every scum plays nice(r))).

I ..... don't doubt it. There's still time to turn the tables on you, though, I hope.

I don't think this is your town game, at all. I think this is your scum-playing-to-your-town-meta game. I think there's a difference, and I think you let it slip way early when you showed you were evaluating your own play.

Why won't you answer my case? Is it just that I'm stupid and wrong about you?

Benmage isn't gonna get lynched today, is he? Well, I hope you all are reading things better than I am. This extends to OhGodMyLife, too.

If flips show I'm wrong, I'll probably sheep you the rest of the game, andrew94.

UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: FakeGod

I've been re-reading HezLucky. I can kind of see the SK case against him, but didn't redFF say a similar kind of thing, earlier? At the start of Day 2? And, where has he gotten off to?

andrew94, you're gonna shoot whoever you want to, of course, but please give some thought to Psyche and redFF. I don't think there's any chance to get either one lynched, but they both feel and read like scum.

[Benmage]

@DLG I have full intentions to answer them. I'll iso u for the link back to it. Just been a bit busy. (And I do think I thought them pointless the first go around)

@Maxous, did this minispree not suffice?:

Torn on OGML, want to see his next post(s)...Firestarter read town to me actually, this post specifically. post 266

He's buddied me. Which could be wanting town cred for when I flip town. But Is it odd that both Firestarter and OGML name LLD town? I could see them wanting to make their GF look good.... Like I said, torn. Want to see what he does next.

His votes haven't been good. Could be scum tunneling on June.

unvote vote OGML

LLD keeps firestarter(OGML) in the null section. That seems like a strike against.

PoE also seems against the fellah.

[DLG]

@ Benmage
I've reiterated it a couple of times, but the best is probably 2432.

Also, see 2605.

Fair enough that you want to dismiss them as pointless. It obviously makes me think you're scummier.

I will say this much. I respect your play. As such, I expect a congratulations post game for seeing through you. Oh, and I'll own up to my massive misread should that be the case. Deal?

[Benmage]

I will say this much. I respect your play. As such, I expect a congratulations post game for seeing through you. Oh, and I'll own up to my massive misread should that be the case. Deal?

Lets raise the stakes.

You owe me one free sheepage no questions asked. You can name your price.

[DLG]

Do you like Charlie Daniel's Band?

"I'll take that bet, you're gonna regret, I'm the best there's ever been."

A simple one liner about how I caught you in this one at the start of our next game together.