Open 403 - Donner Party (Game Over)

[Tierce]

Votecount 3.2

scotmany12

(1) - Shadoweh

Not voting

(4) - Phillammon, Guy_Named_Riggs, Mortontfrh, scotmany12,

Shadoweh

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.

The deadline is June 25 at 2:40 AM GMT (DST). Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2012-06-25 02:00:00)

[Tierce]

Phillammon has been prodded.

[Mortontfrh]

Please, if you are so convinced that I'm scum, then actually make a case. You have so far presented nothing as to why I am scum. Your full of it. You lynch me and you get rid of an important part of the town.

This is scummy as fuck. I'm not voting you, because this is potentially LYLO but

#FOS: Scoty

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Mort, you already figured out GNR is teh townie earlier. Don't let his continued flailing confuse you.

There's only so much that can continually be chalked up to stupidity and poor play. I can justify his previous actions, but I can't justify "forgetting" that there was potentially a Vig still in the game. Regardless, i'll concede that it's not something that I would be willing to stake a potential LYLO vote on.

[Mortontfrh]

You lynch me and you get rid of an important part of the town.

I seriously want you to explain to me how this is a town driven statement.

Screw the mass claiming, you're claiming in your next post or i'm putting you at L-1.

[Shadoweh]

I think it's a nulltell because frankly it's hard to remember there are even power rolls with the blank flips. I really doubt the scum will quickhammer. Even if scot is the SK and they know it, one scum isn't going to go for it because they'll be screwed in the real LYLO. If there are two scum we're already screwed anyways so etc

[Mortontfrh]

I think it's a nulltell because frankly it's hard to remember there are even power rolls with the blank flips. I really doubt the scum will quickhammer. Even if scot is the SK and they know it, one scum isn't going to go for it because they'll be screwed in the real LYLO. If there are two scum we're already screwed anyways so etc

Actually, this is interesting...

@Mod: What happens if all that's left is one Mafia/SK? Who gets the win? The rules seem a bit fuzzy on this one.

[Mortontfrh]

EBWOP

@Mod: Do night kills still go through if they died the same night they sent in the kill?

- Just brainstorming a bit here.

Also, Vig claims in their next post or future claims gets them instant lynched. Fantastic!

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

EBWOP

@Mod: Do night kills still go through if they died the same night they sent in the kill?

- Just brainstorming a bit here.

Also, Vig claims in their next post or future claims gets them instant lynched. Fantastic!

Why should the vig claim now? I feel that if the vig should claim, a mass claim should go into effect. The fact that you only want the vig to out themselves seems like you're role fishing.

[Mortontfrh]

Why should the vig claim now?

I would laugh at this post, but I think you're being serious and it's starting to depress me.

[scotmany12]

You lynch me and you get rid of an important part of the town.

I seriously want you to explain to me how this is a town driven statement.

Screw the mass claiming, you're claiming in your next post or i'm putting you at L-1.

How is it not a town driven statement? Just think about it for a second in combination with this post:

Vig could have simply not submitted a kill as well. A lot of possibilities.

as well as the fact that I have said that I wanted the gunsmith (if there is one) to claim first. There was a slight chance we could have caught stupid scum if they fakeclaimed gunsmith.

I'm the vig, which should be pretty obvious right now. I killed izak night one. He was a townie. Last night, due to reallife issues, I lost track of the night deadline and didn't get a kill sent in in time.

Now I want you to tell me how you can view that statement as anything but a town driven statement. What about that did you find so scummy? Both you and shadoweh has now called me scummy despite giving any reasoning.

[Tierce]

@Mod: Do night kills still go through if they died the same night they sent in the kill?

Yes. Actions are resolved using Natural Action Resolution and all kills are simultaneous.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

as well as the fact that I have said that I wanted the gunsmith (if there is one) to claim first. There was a slight chance we could have caught stupid scum if they fakeclaimed gunsmith.

Well... looks like claiming as started. I think if the gunsmith is alive, they should claim as well as claiming their investigation results.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

as well as the fact that I have said that I wanted the gunsmith (if there is one) to claim first. There was a slight chance we could have caught stupid scum if they fakeclaimed gunsmith.

Well... looks like claiming as started. I think if the gunsmith is alive, they should claim as well as claiming their investigation results.

Hmmm... i guess the roleblocker should claim now too (if they are still alive)

[Mortontfrh]

Well fuck.

Now I want you to tell me how you can view that statement as anything but a town driven statement. What about that did you find so scummy? Both you and shadoweh has now called me scummy despite giving any reasoning.

Quite frankly, I thought the chance of the Vig being alive was astronomically low. Vig who shot last night would have immediately claimed to let us know that one of the factions was dead, and I didn't honestly believe that a Vig wouldn't shoot last night. Now that means that, if that statement was town driven, it could have only came from two things: A VT or an irrelevant PR. Anything but a Vig claim is for all intents and purposes completely useless, no one is actually going to believe a Dietician claim or a Roleblocker claim.

In short, I was almost positive you weren't the Vig and I couldn't see any other PR/VT making a statement like that knowing their role is currently no more relevant than anyone else role.

Moving back to square one:

That is quite a stretch from both Mort and Phil. Not feeling good about either of them right now.

Why do you think it's such a stretch?

[Mortontfrh]

Why do you think it's such a stretch?

Disregard that, i'm dumb. You're right, it makes no sense assuming your claim is true.

[Tierce]

@Mod: What happens if all that's left is one Mafia/SK? Who gets the win? The rules seem a bit fuzzy on this one.

It depends on the game state. The Serial Killer has a 1-shot Night-kill Immunity; if it is not used up by then, the Serial Killer wins by being immune to the last goon's shot and shooting the goon himself. If the Night-kill Immunity is used up, it is a draw.

[Shadoweh]

That's interesting. Assuming you're telling the truth, it means one of SK/Scum shot Elmo. Who do you think would have done that? Elmo compared to the rest of the players was fairly easy to target.

[Mortontfrh]

Why does the speculation need to come into play now? Why would the Vig shoot Elmo to begin with? Are you saying you think Elmo was scummy and initially believed he was Vig shot?

[Phillammon]

Picking up my Prod. Bit of trouble posting at the minute, but I'll try and keep up. I'd like to lend my voice to the "RB and Gunsmith *don't* claim" idea, given we don't want scum to have a choice of kills. If scot is telling the truth, then I guess my idea is completely baseless, so back to square 1.

[Shadoweh]

Are you saying you thought Glork was shot by town? O_o If the vig had whiffed they would have claimed by now, so it kind of narrows down who they could have shot.

[Shadoweh]

Right now a less insulting to scot's play ability reason for a missing kill is the vig was already eaten and he's faking it. Either saulres or Glork could have been vigs (or I guess Elmo if you really want to believe he was threatening.) Mr. Many, why did you shoot izak, and who were you planning to shoot last night?

[Mortontfrh]

Picking up my Prod. Bit of trouble posting at the minute, but I'll try and keep up. I'd like to lend my voice to the "RB and Gunsmith *don't* claim" idea, given we don't want scum to have a choice of kills. If scot is telling the truth, then I guess my idea is completely baseless, so back to square 1.

Why are you so concerned about giving scum kill options when we're in LYLO?

[Shadoweh]

Or CES.. looking back CES did outright say a vig was for dealing with izak.. >_>

[Shadoweh]

Mort: LYLO is always the best time to take away town lynch options. The only benefit not claiming has is leaving town with it's fingers in it's bum.

[Phillammon]

Fair enough, my bad. I was just thinking given it's a 5 player lylo, there's going to be another night, surely? Or do I have this the wrong way up?