Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[D3f3nd3r]

My vote in RVS was, at first, RVS. It is now a viable vote.

If we care,

UNVOTE: Espeonage

VOTE: Espeonage

[Malakittens]

Still finds Espeonage as scum for self-quarantine.

I'm gonna make it clear that Espeonage self-quarantining page 3 or 4 or something is a pretty bad scumslip.

First one is scummy.

Second one is RVS. I admit bad RVS, but RVS.

Third one is RVS. Finally some good RVS.

Fourth one is RVS. Espionage means spying.

At first, 37 was RVS, but I kept the vote because Espeon felt scummy.

@D3f3nd3r:

You voted Espeonage during RVS and kept quite while his wagon got as high as L-1 without any justification other than his self-quarantine. This seems like a pretty weak point, at least compared to what else was said. Why would it be a scum-slip to self-quarantine? How would this help scum at all? Further, why do you think whatever scum-motivation Espeonage has for wanting to be jailed is more likely than the town motivation?

I made it very clear in 86 that Self-Quarantine is Obvscum.

Scum would not be hurt if someone were public-lynched (they give the NK to another), and town were (The scum can't die through vig-kill)

Vigs would become less useful if a townie is ruled out.

Of course, the claim in the very beginning was somewhat scummy, but this is the main reason.

My vote in RVS was, at first, RVS. It is now a viable vote.

If we care,

UNVOTE: Espeonage

VOTE: Espeonage

So D3f3nd3r you are telling me you rather sit here and originally place a RVS vote. Then Espeonage claimed as VT, but you are still unwilling to reconsider. Ontop of it you aren't actually scumhunting nor are you explaining how it could actually be a viable vote. Unless you call self quarantine a scum slip. >.>

Unvote:
Vote: D3f3nd3r

Reasons:

He's tunneling himself on one person. This person is Espeonage.
He has admitting to lurking due to it being a slow game and hasn't really contributed anything that can really be considered scum hunting.
He's admitted that his original vote was in fact RVS, but did not even once reconsider changing it.

[TheTrollie]

My vote in RVS was, at first, RVS. It is now a viable vote.

If we care,

UNVOTE: Espeonage

VOTE: Espeonage

this doesn't change anything lol

[TheTrollie]

it just confirms that ur nervous, that post did not need the vote or unvote. they added nothing

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'll repeat this again, highest 2 wagons (Esp and Mala) are crap. So I think I'll support the defender wagon.

VOTE: D3f3nd3r

WAGON GO GO!

[guille2015]

I am not convinced of this Wagon.

[Malakittens]

I don't see him helping the town much by tunneling on one person, do you?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You mean you were more convinced here?:

Spoiler:

What was the point of that post?

Letting you know that unless something changes then I'll be coming down hard on you. You're only saved by the fact that guille is even worse.

Your barking up the wrong tree. You need a better case against me than: you have a different opinion, and that I am attacking you.

However, there is something odd happening around here. Malakitten is Buddying up with Espeonage. I doubt that they are both Mafia buddies. If Espeonage were to flip town, it would look positive on Mala that was against his Lynch. Mala is looking worse than Espeonage at the moment for me. I've been getting a bad feel from her for a while, but her votes do not reflect her agreement to Espeonage.

Vote: Malakitten

Quarantine: Espeonage

I also have a theory/idea I've been working with, that actually makes me more convinced Esp is town and that actually makes Guille (if it were true), look very bad. However, I think revealing it now would be a bad idea.

[drmyshotgun]

VOTE: D3f3nd3r
I'm sheeping.

[guille2015]

That is awesome ser because I have a similar theory were Esp is town(if it were true) and you look very bad.

[guille2015]

I'm going to place my arguments tomorrow. Dont lynch until then.

[D3f3nd3r]

I call self-quarantine a scum slip.

Timeline:

Esp claims
I RVS vote
I announce self-quarantine is scum slip.
Esp self-quarantines

[drmyshotgun]

Proving what exactly?

[Espeonage]

I call self-quarantine a scum slip.

Timeline:

Esp claims
I RVS vote
I announce self-quarantine is scum slip.
Esp self-quarantines

The point they are asking is why. Why am I scum for self-quarantining?

[Espeonage]

I am not convinced of this Wagon.

Neither am I.

[Espeonage]

Trollie: Terrible, terrible flopping.

what are you referring to here? when/how did I ever flop?

You flopped on my wagon without any prior anything. It was just, ohey, this guy looks like he has a good argument and then voted. Didn't say anything about me at all just added the vote. Your only sizable posts are all either IIoA or part of a petty discussion.

[TheTrollie]

I highly agree with sword's argument.

VOTE: Espeonage

Our ideal quarantine is scum. even if it doesn't ensure someone else won't make the kill, it will prevent scum PRs from using their powers. we should lynch our top scum read and quarantine the second. I would agree that there might arise a time when confirmed townie could be the subject of a quarantine but (a) we do not have any confirmations yet and (b) i dont think anything has happened yet to warrant that strategy D1

i agreed with the wall of text on you

[Espeonage]

exactly

[TheTrollie]

glad that's settled then lol

[RichardGHP]

Ninth Vote Count of Day 1

Lynch:

[3] Espeonage - [D3f3nd3r, sword_of_omens, brundibar]
[1] guille2015 - [Espeonage]
[3] Malakittens - [drmyshotgun, BK201, guille2015]
[5] D3f3nd3r - [image, TheTrollie, Malakittens, Ser Arthur Dayne, drmyshotgun]

[2] Not Voting - [Phillammon, Psyche]

Quarantine:

[5] Espeonage - [drmyshotgun, Espeonage, Malakittens, guille2015, TheTrollie]
[1] TheTrollie - [BK201]
[1] sword_of_omens - [Ser Arthur Dayne]

[6] Not Voting - [brundibar, sword_of_omens, image, D3f3nd3r, Phillammon, Psyche]

V/LA: brundibar, until June 17

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to quarantine.
Deadline for this day is June 23, 1630h UTC+12. You have five days.

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brundibar has requested replacement. A search is in progress.

[drmyshotgun]

@Mod: V/LA until 20th

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait, why are we quarantining Espeonage?

[guille2015]

On defender:

My opinion on Quarantine:

1. When to use: Say we have a cop. He says that he got a "scum/guilty/not town" result on someone. If nobody counterclaims, quarantine him.

I do not know if he means to quarantine the Cop or the guilty. I assume he meant the cop which since we'd likely lynch the guilty. Which I think it's a bad Idea.

I am annoyed that Defender has had very little to add to the game. And I am suspicious of him, but, I find other people more suspicious, and I do not believe mafia would suggest the above idea. I'd keep an eye on defender, but there is not enough for him to be today's Lynch. The main problem with lynching Defender is that we get very little information from his flip. If there was no one else for the Lynch, I'd agree with it, but that is not the case here.

Alternatives:

Espeonage

:
I am still waiting for his reasoning for being the only one voting for me, It is clear that he finds me guilty on a gut read, but that sentiment is not shared with anyone. 5 days to deadline, I think it's time to give me your reads. Regardless, I get the feeling that Esp is not scum. Yes, that is my "gut" read on you. Why, because your actions do not make sense from mafia. Too obvious and not really a strong tell. There is still a chance that espeonage is scum, and the positive thing about his lynch is that there is a ton of information from his lynch.

While I was in my discussion with Espeonage, the votes started to Pile on. The arguments for him were pretty weak, before I voted these where the voters: "[4] Espeonage - [D3f3nd3r, sword_of_omens, TheTrollie, Ser Arthur Dayne]". He votes for me, on an "obvious" read which I did not see, hence I vote for him to get him talking. Meanwhile Malakitten is constantly affirming that he is town. This is a bad move from town and a Tell for mafia. I change my vote to Mala. Mala goes into a whole Meta thing (I don't care for that). Ser Arthur votes for me on a gut read. His explanation is unsatisfying. He then Jumps on Defender for: "I'll repeat this again, highest 2 wagons (Esp and Mala) are crap. So I think I'll support the defender wagon. " (#278). So suddenly Esp and Mala are not bad as he claimed before.

If Espeonage flips town, we can very well look at Ser Arthur and Mala as scum. You can add me to that list if you wish, but I had a reason to vote for Esp. If Espeonage flips Mafia, I'd consider suspect the same people.

Mala Kitten

:
My argument against her is in the previous paragraph, but if you need more go to posts #190 and #205.
If Mala flips Town, we can look into Espeonage.
If Mala Flips mafia we Look into Ser Arthur.

Ser Arthur Dayne

:
Most of my arguments here is from above. It is mostly Circumstantial Evidence, and his flip would yield very little information. If he were to flip Town, I'd suggest close attention to me.

I am inline to Lynch Malakitten and Ser Arthur today. I am not supporting Defender's and Espeonage's Lynch. But I acknowledge that Espeonage is the lynch with the most information. I would suggest to lynch Mala.

Possibility that I am wrong:

About medium low, I'd say base on what I have seen. At the very least, mafia is one of the two I suspect.

I would need a very good argument against Defender or in favor of Mala and Ser for me to change my mind.

P.S. the post numbers are off by one in the main thread compared to the ISO. The mod is aware of this.

[guille2015]

Wait, why are we quarantining Espeonage?

Oh yes, of course. Thanks.

Quarantine: Ser Arthur Dayne

[TheTrollie]

Wait, why are we quarantining Espeonage?

Ok, new Plan:

I can find alternate causation for almost all of espionage's scummy posts besides him being scum (he has given reasonable explanations for his actions that, while I don't agree with, could possibly justify him acting the way he has been as town).

UNVOTE: Espionage

So now I'm not sure if he is VT (his claim) or scum. Either way I want to quarantine him. The only way I see this as a bad move is if (a) esp is scum AND (b) there is a vig AND (c) the vig was going to vig esp tonight. Since i dont think all three of those things are true as of right now, esp is a good quarantine.

QUARANTINE: Espionage