Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[Yosarian2]

Things I am trying to figure out here:

1. I have no idea where Nuwen is coming to these conclusions from; she seems to be all over the place. I'm not even sure if all this is a town tell on her part or if she just rolled a natural 20 on her fast-talking nonweapon proficiency skill check.

2. I have no idea why Vi is following Nuwen here, when Vi has been tunneling on Nuwen all game. This just seems bizzare to me.

3. I have no idea why shos is voting charter here, and he's now twice refused to explain. Also, when I swim high enough out of the sewer of flavor-bullshit to actually stop and think about it, the idea that he's a "bulletproof survivor who the mod gave a fakeclaim to" just hurts my head. The whole think really sounds like just the worst SK fakeclaim ever, and he's acting in an incredibly opportunistic way and refusing to explain why.

Vote:shos

[shos]

I should upload them to that site like he does. that's it. they were uploaded already to postimage

Confusion. These sentences seem to be in conflict with each other.

Jumping back: you think the Mona Lisa pic is fake because of the name 270906_monalisa.jpg, yes?

But your picture (meteor_pew_pew.jpg) is obviously taken from http://www.geekologie.com/2008/12/01/meteor-pew-pew.jpg. I'm seriously not getting why you're hung up on this.

UNVOTE

I never googled my own picture indeed. that kinda deletes the entire argument here lol.

well at least that satisfies the question of why I have 'pew pew' in my pic name, lol.

[shos]

Things I am trying to figure out here:

1. I have no idea where Nuwen is coming to these conclusions from; she seems to be all over the place. I'm not even sure if all this is a town tell on her part or if she just rolled a natural 20 on her fast-talking nonweapon proficiency skill check.

2. I have no idea why Vi is following Nuwen here, when Vi has been tunneling on Nuwen all game. This just seems bizzare to me.

3. I have no idea why shos is voting charter here, and he's now twice refused to explain. Also, when I swim high enough out of the sewer of flavor-bullshit to actually stop and think about it, the idea that he's a "bulletproof survivor who the mod gave a fakeclaim to" just hurts my head. The whole think really sounds like just the worst SK fakeclaim ever, and he's acting in an incredibly opportunistic way and refusing to explain why.

Vote:shos

lol, missed that, and it didn't even appear in the pedit

about refusing to explain, I messaged magua, hehe. after what he posted here, I unvote, and well that's about it. by PoE he is still a suspect of mine tho, not enough for a lynch.

[Vi]

Ok, Vi/shos, who is charter's partner?

Already sort of know what Vi's going to say, but maybe he'll surprise me. Curious what shos will say.

I'm legitimately unsure what you expect me to say.

I

expected me to say Nuwen, except if that's the case that was one massive sell-out of her scumpartner. So, you atm.

The role names in the flips aren't indicative of much.

UberNinja's and Hiraki's lined up pretty well actually.

Eventually Nuwen will realize that his name wasn't "Furthing". And to answer your (actually my) next question, Nuwen was actually calling him something a bit closer further on.

I can't explain Zar's N1 failure at this point -- I do agree that it doesn't make sense for the scumteam to roleblock and rolecop the same person N1. But your entire theory rests on an assumption that is, to be polite, way out there, but you go out of your way to ignore the other evidence that is more confirmed.

I have to agree with this. I can see where the action-immune hypothesis comes from, but that seems to be more of an--

Hold the phone. Also hold the duck cooked in honey and garlic; I'm "not hungry". *grumble*

1) What does it mean to be Roleblocked? Zar just said that his action failed. Was that it?
And,
2) Why is it that Zar has claimed to have actioned on people who will probably both turn out to be scum on Nights 1 and 2? with one No Result and one benign result that's swinging very much in a probscum's favor?
And,
3) Why is Zar, if so obvTown, so little a factor in the discussion right now? Even the

claimed Survivor

is posting moar and better.
And, cheap question, but
4) Why is Zar, claimed power role swimming in an ocean of Town cred, still alive right now?

Just in case, I'm glad our engagement got broken off.

2. I have no idea why Vi is following Nuwen here, when Vi has been tunneling on Nuwen all game. This just seems bizzare to me.

I do that sometimes. I also sometimes throw my hands up in the air, but being a mummy, they only reach up to a perpendicular angle to my body, so I can only reference the song by the lesser-known Middle Eastern luxury liner entertainer Niao Cruz.

3. I have no idea why shos is voting charter here, and he's now twice refused to explain. Also, when I swim high enough out of the sewer of flavor-bullshit to actually stop and think about it, the idea that he's a "bulletproof survivor who the mod gave a fakeclaim to" just hurts my head. The whole think really sounds like just the worst SK fakeclaim ever, and he's acting in an incredibly opportunistic way and refusing to explain why.

I do believe that "rock with mystic powers" is his role at least, just based on my Mumminess waking up due to some known power. I'm actually curious if the other artifacts have this same clause in their Role PM?

With that said... balance-wise, you're right, it doesn't make sense. Yet I fully believe that he's led us to charter-scum.

I'm high on air conditioning right now and this sounds retarded even as I type it but if we're lynching scum anyway, letting shos live may be the better move for Today.

[shos]

Vi, look at what Magua posted in 1973. he is right, the part about the picture in Charter's case is deleted. I went through all the pictures in the game through their name and where they are uploaded, and image-searched them all; all except my own role pm pic, which is the one I needed.


I'm thinking to lynch Magua now. mainly because he still doesn't cooperate, unless I missed some post where he said something about his 'info that cannot help town and only hurt it'

[shos]

eh you know what, take that back, I revised some stuff and got to the conclusion that I need a revision.

Charter is still the best option for a lynch imo; if he's not alone, then probably Vi is the partner.

[Zar]

Just in case, I'm glad our engagement got broken off.

</3 you were too old for me, that's why our engagement broke up D=.

However, I too have been expecting my death for the past few days. The only logical thing that came to my mind about D2 is that the scum feared a potential doc threat. As for N3, idk, maybe shos' blast knocking me unconscious works as a reflexive protection? Or my suspicions on D3 were plain awful?

I do believe that "rock with mystic powers" is his role at least, just based on my Mumminess waking up due to some known power. I'm actually curious if the other artifacts have this same clause in their Role PM?

Nothing in my role pm talks about this.

With that said... balance-wise, you're right, it doesn't make sense. Yet I fully believe that he's led us to charter-scum.

I'm high on air conditioning right now and this sounds retarded even as I type it but if we're lynching scum anyway, letting shos live may be the better move for Today.

Do you not find the part about him being given fakeclaims suspicious?

[shos]

In fact, I think I can now safely assume that all the remaining non-town-and-non-me players are in {Charter, Vi, Nuwen, Yosarian2}. least suspicious is Nuwen, and I'd rather not lynch Vi now. Since charter is only scum with a partner, I'll VOTE: Yosarian 2.

if I am missing some obvious thing, forgetting some piece of info we might have already acquired, tell me about it. it's 2 am after all, and it's not like I reread the whole pack of 80 pages..


ninja'd by Zar. one sec.

[shos]

@zar:
the first part - nothing in my role pm says or hints anything about that unconciousness. so I doubt it.
the second part - you're not an artifact...
the third part - gimme a sec and I'll say everything that there is to be said about that

[charter]

/PRODDED

[shos]

as a start the mod described how there is no rule that says not to post the picture that is sent with the role.
then, the mod said how she likes to play with people who try to break her setup, and therefore she doesn't want to add that as a rule. to that cause, she is giving me pictures that look the same as the role pm in the first page - other pictures of course, but with the same blurr of white-gray-black style. she does that so that I can use them to claim a human role, if I ever want to claim such a role, if it exists of course.
then, on a different paragraph, the mod told me to be careful and re-upload them to a hose with a file name that I desire, to imitate her style - referencing me to take a look at the sample role pm pic - just in case anyone is going to notice those details during the game.

she then gives me a list of 4 sample pictures, all named image.jpg and uploaded on random postimage.org addresses.

these four are two women, one kid with anime-style hair, and one young guy.

[Zar]

shos, why do you think Magua is town?

[Vi]

Vi, look at what Magua posted in 1973. he is right, the part about the picture in Charter's case is deleted. I went through all the pictures in the game through their name and where they are uploaded, and image-searched them all; all except my own role pm pic, which is the one I needed.

I thought you had more. (Fake edit: Confusing you with Zar.) Even so, the point is that you're actively Towning more than a bunch of other people.

Not that Towning implies being correct.

Charter is still the best option for a lynch imo;

if he's not alone, then probably Vi is the partner.

I'm not entirely sure how this works, but w/ever.

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</3 you were too old for me, that's why our engagement broke up D=.

My jaw kind of hung there for a brief second before I realized you weren't talking about ME me.

Also, there are totally three other parts of that wall about you.

I totally forgot you were an artifact until you said something. Humor me, but how does your role work flavor-wise?

I -do- find the part about fakeclaims suspicious. See previous post.

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@shos 1982: Why not Zar or Magua? (particularly Magua) (cut by Zar) (who may be able to stomach the duck cooked in honey and garlic I can't have)

[shos]

eh, I've made some quick ISOs of recent stuff and came to think that way. It is nothing too strong; mostly PoE and what makes sense. to me, Yos-is-not-a-vig and yos-fake-claimed-as-scum seems right.

@Vi:
Zar is an artifact.?
the fact that I'm active doesn't make me town; or not scum, that is, of course. but I do find stuff like the /PRODDED above suspicious. I mean, charter has nothing to say at all?

[Yosarian2]

I do believe that "rock with mystic powers" is his role at least, just based on my Mumminess waking up due to some known power. I'm actually curious if the other artifacts have this same clause in their Role PM?

Oh, I'm sure that's actually his role. It's just that that roles is probably a SK.

I mean, just looking at the wording in Nuwen's role and how her two friends were destroyed by a weird energy, it really makes me think that Shos is the SK.

By the way, nuwen used this as proof that he can't be a SK:

An ancient voice lacking vice or virtue

But just because the rock is "lacking vice or virtue", it doesn't mean it, you know, doesn't want to kill all of us. That phrase might just mean "neither town nor mafia".

[Vi]

...

(and by "..." I mean "I can't taste duck cooked in honey and garlic")

Unvote: charter
Vote: shos

(L-2)

[Magua]

I'm confirming, for the record, that I got messaged by someone claiming to be shos, and since shos is claiming to have messaged me, there you go.

UberNinja's and Hiraki's [role names] lined up pretty well actually.

Bullshit, unless Hiraki had some weird restriction that he couldn't protect people. And all we know about UberNinja is that he was an investigative role, so saying *that* lined up is meh.

Do me a solid and ask the mod what your roleflip will be. G'wan, do it. Mod won't say. Why won't the mod say? *Because the flips are not obvious.* See: Zar.

Vi, I snipped a whole bunch of suspicion of you and Zar. Tell me: Do you think Zar is town or scum?

I mean, just looking at the wording in Nuwen's role and how her two friends were destroyed by a weird energy, it really makes me think that Shos is the SK.

Nuwen never said that.

as a start the mod described how there is no rule that says not to post the picture that is sent with the role.
then, the mod said how she likes to play with people who try to break her setup, and therefore she doesn't want to add that as a rule. to that cause, she is giving me pictures that look the same as the role pm in the first page - other pictures of course, but with the same blurr of white-gray-black style.

@shos:

When did the mod say this? D1-ish, or did it occur later when the picture claiming started D3?

@Yosarian2:

I simply fail to fathom why shos-SK ever admits to having access to fakeclaim information. Or sending that message to Hiraki D1 and outting it D2. Or claiming Bulletproof, for that matter, D2; well, ok, maybe the last one I could see, but not combined with the other two.

@charter:

Hey. I want to believe that you're a bad lynch. But you got to post *something* of worth. Reads. Thoughts. Opinions on why you have flavor for the N3 failure on shos, but no flavor on the N1 failure on Furcolow.

[Magua]

...

(and by "..." I mean "I can't taste duck cooked in honey and garlic")

Unvote: charter
Vote: shos

(L-2)

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

There's no way, no how, that you laid down this vote without at least even checking what Nuwen's posted.

VOTE: Vi
VOTE: Vi
VOTE: Vi
VOTE: Vi
VOTE: Vi
VOTE: Vi

[Magua]

PEdit: Should add "as town" into that sentence, somewhere.

[Magua]

Opinions on why you have flavor for the N3 failure on shos, but no flavor on the N1 failure on Furcolow.

This is my bad; charter's N3 action was Yosarian; it was Zar who failed on shos N3.

[Vi]

UberNinja's and Hiraki's [role names] lined up pretty well actually.

Bullshit, unless Hiraki had some weird restriction that he couldn't protect people. And all we know about UberNinja is that he was an investigative role, so saying *that* lined up is meh.

Hiraki was an art toucher-upper. That makes quite a bit of sense for the Doctor he claimed.
Am I missing something, or what's this about Hiraki not protecting people?

Do me a solid and ask the mod what your roleflip will be. G'wan, do it. Mod won't say. Why won't the mod say? *Because the flips are not obvious.* See: Zar.

Whatever. Also, etc.

Vi, I snipped a whole bunch of suspicion of you and Zar. Tell me: Do you think Zar is town or scum?

I think that Zar is not someone I want to write off atm. He's not getting lynched Today because of the more obvscums in this game. Beyond that? It wouldn't surprise me either way.

@charter:

Hey. I want to believe that you're a bad lynch. But you got to post *something* of worth. Reads. Thoughts. Opinions on why you have flavor for the N3 failure on shos, but no flavor on the N1 failure on Furcolow.

*snicker*

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

There's no way, no how, that you laid down this vote without at least even checking what Nuwen's posted.

I did. Shamelessly. It sounded like what I remembered of Nuwen's flavor.

But more to the point, that's not why I'm voting shos.

Duck cooked in honey and garlic, want it, can't have it.

[Magua]

Hiraki was an art toucher-upper. That makes quite a bit of sense for the Doctor he claimed.
Am I missing something, or what's this about Hiraki not protecting people?

You say "Hiraki's role (art restorer) is obviously a Doctor." You ignore that the "obviously" in this case is that if the role name were the real mechanic, Hiraki would be unable to protect a person -- he was an *art* restorer. But we know he was a doc because he said so, so you ignore this.

You say "UberNinja's role (forensic investigator) is obviously a *coughcoughmutter*" You have no idea what UberNinja's role was. Cop? Forensic investigator as described in Best Roles thread? Coroner-type role who learned what people's roles really were? No clue. Not obvious.

I can guarantee you that Zar does not flip as "Town Tracker", and Yos does not flip as "Town Vigilante." So there's another point that flavor role names != actual role names.

But, and here's the cognitive dissonance, you say, "Furcolow can't be a rolecop, because 'charmer' as rolecop makes no sense."

But more to the point, that's not why I'm voting shos.

Oh, do go on, then. Don't let me interrupt.

[Zar]

I totally forgot you were an artifact until you said something. Humor me, but how does your role work flavor-wise?

Are you flavor fishing for your buddy charter?

[Zar]

Ah I missed some parts:

1) What does it mean to be Roleblocked? Zar just said that his action failed. Was that it?

idk. My action failed on N1 and I was knocked unconscious until the end of N3 after attempting to follow shos. IDK if my action failing was a direcr result of Furcolow's + shos role. The mafia charmer I read about gets to learn everything about his target (not on mafiascum though), but nothing mentions about roleblocking.

And,
2) Why is it that Zar has claimed to have actioned on people who will probably both turn out to be scum on Nights 1 and 2? with one No Result and one benign result that's swinging very much in a probscum's favor?

Eh. All I can do with my role is try to find out where people go. I don't see how my result clears Charter entirely nor why people are so adamant about 3 Scum Team + 3rd Party. Sounds more balanced to me than 2 - 2 - 1 - 8.

And,
3) Why is Zar, if so obvTown, so little a factor in the discussion right now? Even the claimed Survivor is posting moar and better.

mandatory overtime at work.

4) Why is Zar, claimed power role swimming in an ocean of Town cred, still alive right now?

I already answered this.

[Nuwen]

I mean, just looking at the wording in Nuwen's role and how her two friends were destroyed by a weird energy, it really makes me think that Shos is the SK.

I've never

ever

said this in-thread. The closest thing I've mentioned is:

I have a little flavor that suggests I was drawn here against my will and better judgement, and my separation from friends isn't accidental.

My flavor reads that a very bright light enters my peripheral field of vision while the friends are admiring a blue-stone statue of a tall women in a shroud. I'm pulled a few steps towards the light, partially hidden behind a corner. Almost instantaneously the light explodes across my vision and consumes my sight from right eye to left, with the last milisecond of sight being my friend's frozen faces. The white in my vision is brilliant, then dulls slowly to reds, oranges, and finally goes dark.

How

about

that

flavorcop.

But just because the rock is "lacking vice or virtue", it doesn't mean it, you know, doesn't want to kill all of us. That phrase might just mean "neither town nor mafia".

I laughed. A lot. If only you weren't scum.

This fits a little more, maybe: Yos-Charter-Furcolow, with Yosarian submitting the kill on the night Charter was tracked. Maybe Shos is an SK, but he's definitely bulletproof and he's definitely on the main menu of the primary scum team right now. We can deal with that tomorrow. I want scum today.

Kill Charter dead you magnolia-souled cheese puffs.

There are a lot of questions raised for me. I'll figure out which ones are worth answering and which aren't tomorrow, I guess.