Mini 1327: Murder in the Louvre- Day 6

[Nuwen]

Vi, Magua, Zar votes back on scum now please: Charter, Yos. This isn't happening if any of you start crossvoting.

[Magua]

HEY NUWEN

PPS: Nuwen, if this Day ends without you having asked your five questions and posted answers in thread, I will auto-policy-vote you for the rest of the game.

Just an FYI.

[Magua]

PPS: Yos isn't scum.

[Nuwen]

Saw it, don't particularly care or look forward to working with someone dumb enough not to full claim as the only remaining protective role in the game with kill-less nights. Something is probably shooting you tonight, no matter what you are, and we'll never know the full details. None of the factions with guns can afford more missing kills, so very few fucks no matter which/what you are. I stopped reading your posts somewhere around the time you stuck a vote on Vi while my scum continued to put coals under the survivor claim. You only get to threaten people when you're worth your role slot, otherwise it's not very scary.

I plan on using my questions at night, after a reveal on either Charter/Yos, while being very content that there are stronger powers equipped by weaker minds in this game.

Really only need a Shos-Vi-Zar-Nuwen bloc to take care of the above today. Magua can sit over there and rub his cards all over his chest until he wants to stop trying to lynch town.

[Magua]

I missed the memo. Did you just call Vi town?

[Magua]

Also, and I feel dumb for even having to explain this:

You want to use your questions after you see the flip? YOU USE THE FIVE NEW ONES YOU GET GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING TOMORROW. HOLY SHIT.

[shos]

@yos: nuwen never said that.

@magua:
the message was sent at
Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:52 am
which is a week after I got my role pm.

@Zar: the N3 unconciousness is a direct result of my role.

@magua: why isn't Yos scum?

@nuwen-magua interchange:
I have to agree with Magua about the questions; it would be better if we get that info before we lynch. what if you die at night anyway?
and uh, Vi seems to be voting me, so such a bloc won't quite rise, I think.
and nuwen, if you're up for it, vote Yos. I think quite like you now, except your refusal about magua. it's okay tho.

@Vi: why are you voting me, anyway?

[Vi]

Magua 1996 - This is such a giant mess of us talking about the same thing and being so invested in yelling at each other that there's this whole point that's getting missed.

We know that UberNinja was a "forensic investigator". No matter how you slice it that's an investigative role. Hiraki was an "art restorer". That's p.obviously a protective role. A "charmer"? Requires some imagination no matter what, but "investigative role" isn't high on the list.

Fake edit: See below.

Why thank you for continuing to let me vote shos.

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Zar 1997 - That's quite the disingenuous accusation there. Flavor is flavor. The presence of it says nothing; the absence of it speaks volumes. Answer the question.

Despite idiotic opinions to the contrary I don't fish for role details unless I'm going somewhere with it.

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The mafia charmer I read about gets to learn everything about his target (not on mafiascum though),

Documentation nao please and thank you.

Sorry about the mandatory overtime. America: Land of the people who work more than scheduled and don't get paid more.

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I missed the memo. Did you just call Vi town?

Reading this loud and clear. It's quite a turn.

("Rub his cards all over his chest?")

Also, and I feel dumb for even having to explain this:

You want to use your questions after you see the flip? YOU USE THE FIVE NEW ONES YOU GET GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING TOMORROW. HOLY SHIT.

Nuwen's going to live to see not just Tomorrow, but two Days from now?

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@Vi: why are you voting me, anyway?

Because--

...

I'm high on air conditioning right now and this sounds retarded even as I type it but if we're lynching scum anyway, letting shos live may be the better move for Today.

...I need to think this through again, and I don't have the time to do it now.

Unvote: shos

[Nuwen]

Also, and I feel dumb for even having to explain this:

You want to use your questions after you see the flip? YOU USE THE FIVE NEW ONES YOU GET GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING TOMORROW. HOLY SHIT.

Because I don't particularly have any clever questions to pose. When Charter flips scum and

a role

, I probably will... but then wouldn't be able to ask until D5, which then limits the information I can get if I choose to ask the questions early in the day. I've done day questions before, but only because I specifically wanted to know something(s) THAT DAY.

There's nothing to ask about N3. We know: Vi was attacked and his pickled breadbox was smashed, Shos is a rock wearing a bulletproof vest, Katsuki/Magua is a protective role that hasn't actually been able to protect or confirm anyone in

3 nights of play

and seems to believe he'll survive the night. Gee golly gosh.

If we were bigger and brighter people I'd think this is you telling me you're jailkeeping me tonight, but

N1, Katsuki did not submit any action.
N2, upon replacing in, I protected chamber.
N3, I protected Zar.

You're not a jailkeeper. You would be voting for Charter right now because he supposedly actioned N2, right, or is that too much to ask for?

ffff this game THIS GAME

[Zar]

Zar 1997 - That's quite the disingenuous accusation there. Flavor is flavor. The presence of it says nothing; the absence of it speaks volumes. Answer the question.

Despite idiotic opinions to the contrary I don't fish for role details unless I'm going somewhere with it.

Meh, thinking about it I don't see the harm to it anyway.

I travel restlessly along the hallways of the museum in the hopes of finding something to distract me from my lethargy. Not particularly interested by the human world, but the murder in the museum has piqued my attention into providing any aid possible I can to solve the mystery.

The mafia charmer I read about gets to learn everything about his target (not on mafiascum though),
Documentation nao please and thank you.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0&t=133592

First post has all role PMs of that game.

[Yosarian2]

I mean, just looking at the wording in Nuwen's role and how her two friends were destroyed by a weird energy, it really makes me think that Shos is the SK.

I've never

ever

said this in-thread. The closest thing I've mentioned is:[/quote[

This is what you said:

I'm Astrid Sorel, curious child. My flavor indicates that I was on day-outing with two school friends and an older classmate of my hoity-toity parochial school until I turned a corner and a brilliant light seared my vision to a crisp. Instead of fear or doubt, I felt only an innocent child's burning curiosity lighting the shadows in my path. I can ask five questions via PM at any time during a day/night phase.

I realize it's a little ambiguous, but from your description it sounded to me like the bright light both blinded you and killed your friends, especially since they don't seem to be here.

I have a little flavor that suggests I was drawn here against my will and better judgement, and my separation from friends isn't accidental.

My flavor reads that a very bright light enters my peripheral field of vision while the friends are admiring a blue-stone statue of a tall women in a shroud. I'm pulled a few steps towards the light, partially hidden behind a corner. Almost instantaneously the light explodes across my vision and consumes my sight from right eye to left, with the last milisecond of sight being my friend's frozen faces. The white in my vision is brilliant, then dulls slowly to reds, oranges, and finally goes dark.

Ok; that's similiar to what you claimed before. And you haven't seen any sign of your firneds since that bright light, huh?

How

about

that

flavorcop.

Uh. What?

I laughed. A lot. If only you weren't scum.

This fits a little more, maybe: Yos-Charter-Furcolow, with Yosarian submitting the kill on the night Charter was tracked. Maybe Shos is an SK, but he's definitely bulletproof and he's definitely on the main menu of the primary scum team right now. We can deal with that tomorrow. I want scum today.

,,,
I'm having an incresingly hard time beliving that you could be town and believe half of what you've been saying lately, Nuwen. You're literlaly making less and less sense every time you post.

I've said before that I was willing to consider charter a suspect *if you could come up with a reasonable scenario that make sense where he could be scum*. You STILL haven't, and the fact that that doesn't even bother you is really starting to bug me.

[Yosarian2]

Stupid %*$% quote tags. Post should have looked like this; mod, feel free to delete the first one if you want.

I mean, just looking at the wording in Nuwen's role and how her two friends were destroyed by a weird energy, it really makes me think that Shos is the SK.

I've never

ever

said this in-thread. The closest thing I've mentioned is:

This is what you said:

I'm Astrid Sorel, curious child. My flavor indicates that I was on day-outing with two school friends and an older classmate of my hoity-toity parochial school until I turned a corner and a brilliant light seared my vision to a crisp. Instead of fear or doubt, I felt only an innocent child's burning curiosity lighting the shadows in my path. I can ask five questions via PM at any time during a day/night phase.

I realize it's a little ambiguous, but from your description it sounded to me like the bright light both blinded you and killed your friends, especially since they don't seem to be here.

I have a little flavor that suggests I was drawn here against my will and better judgement, and my separation from friends isn't accidental.

My flavor reads that a very bright light enters my peripheral field of vision while the friends are admiring a blue-stone statue of a tall women in a shroud. I'm pulled a few steps towards the light, partially hidden behind a corner. Almost instantaneously the light explodes across my vision and consumes my sight from right eye to left, with the last milisecond of sight being my friend's frozen faces. The white in my vision is brilliant, then dulls slowly to reds, oranges, and finally goes dark.[/quote]

Ok; that's similiar to what you claimed before. And you haven't seen any sign of your firneds since that bright light, huh?

How

about

that

flavorcop.

Uh. What?

I laughed. A lot. If only you weren't scum.

This fits a little more, maybe: Yos-Charter-Furcolow, with Yosarian submitting the kill on the night Charter was tracked. Maybe Shos is an SK, but he's definitely bulletproof and he's definitely on the main menu of the primary scum team right now. We can deal with that tomorrow. I want scum today.

,,,
I'm having an incresingly hard time beliving that you could be town and believe half of what you've been saying lately, Nuwen. You're literlaly making less and less sense every time you post.

I've said before that I was willing to consider charter a suspect *if you could come up with a reasonable scenario that make sense where he could be scum*. You STILL haven't, and the fact that that doesn't even bother you is really starting to bug me.[/quote]

[Yosarian2]

And that still wasn't right, geez. Screw it, you get the idea.

[Yosarian2]

Anyway, Nuwen, me and Magna already explained why your "charter + furcolow was the whole scum team" thing couldn't possibly be true, and you ignored it. I've given you about 4 pages right now to explain yourself, and you've only come up with wilder and more illogical theories about furcolow trying to communicate something to a second scum team that doesn't seem to exist for reasons that make no sense. It's really starting to look like you are just trying to buffolo us into doing something by sheer number of words, and I don't like it. And the fact that you're now calling *me* scum with charter and furcolow just because I'm not buying you BS, when I don't think there's any way you could actually believe that, kind of seals the deal for me.

I'm really getting the gut feeling Manga is town here. I didn't want to think he was town, because it throws my whole process of elimination thing into chaos and I really wanted to gloat about how I caught the whole scum team on day 2, but he's insisted on continuing to make pro-town sounding posts. The SK is shos, there is almost certainly only one mafia left, and that last mafia has to be either Vi or Nuwen. I'm really thinking it's Nuwen.

[shos]

Anyway, Nuwen, me and Magna already explained why your "charter + furcolow was the whole scum team" thing couldn't possibly be true, and you ignored it. I've given you about 4 pages right now to explain yourself, and you've only come up with wilder and more illogical theories about furcolow trying to communicate something to a second scum team that doesn't seem to exist for reasons that make no sense. It's really starting to look like you are just trying to buffolo us into doing something by sheer number of words, and I don't like it. And the fact that you're now calling *me* scum with charter and furcolow just because I'm not buying you BS, when I don't think there's any way you could actually believe that, kind of seals the deal for me.

I'm really getting the gut feeling Manga is town here. I didn't want to think he was town, because it throws my whole process of elimination thing into chaos and I really wanted to gloat about how I caught the whole scum team on day 2, but he's insisted on continuing to make pro-town sounding posts. The SK is shos, there is almost certainly only one mafia left, and that last mafia has to be either Vi or Nuwen. I'm really thinking it's Nuwen.

out of all the BS you wrote there, this is the only post that I want to react to.

about the first paragraph - while Nuwen's ideas DO look wierd and I don't think they are correct, I don't remember you getting us some better explanations. and if it seals the deal for you, why U NO VOTE?

about the second paragraph - Magua is town. Why do you think I am the SK and there's only one mafia left? could you possibly be thinking that you, as a vig, have killed Elmo night 1, and BOTH mafia AND my SK kill have been blocked? and then last night again, BOTH mafia AND my sk kill have been blocked? you serious?


I want moar voats awn Yos.

[Yosarian2]

about the first paragraph - while Nuwen's ideas DO look wierd and I don't think they are correct, I don't remember you getting us some better explanations. and if it seals the deal for you, why U NO VOTE?

I am. I am voting for you. You are the SK.

about the second paragraph - Magua is town. Why do you think I am the SK and there's only one mafia left?

Well, we know that there is a scum roleblocker (unless that's what Furc's role was, I guess). That's probably why your kill failed; you would be the obvious choice for a scum trying to prevent being shot by a SK. I have no idea where the mafia kill went, but that's true no matter if there's a SK or not.

I want moar voats awn Yos.

Yeah, you're scum.

I dare anyone to say the following sentence without laughing:

"I believe that shos is a bulletproof survivor who was given a fake-claim by the mod."

That's almost as bad a SK claim as the classic "bulletproof miller vig".

[Yosarian2]

I mean, yes, this game is confusing as hell, I have absolutely no idea what is going on at this point with the flavor, or the claims, or the visions, or the bizzare numbers of kills, or what this setup is at all. I've kind of been paralyzed by that for most of the day, and I think most of us have. So, screw it; let's just lynch the scum and we'll find out what the setup was after the game is over. First order of business is shos; he's obviously the Sk, and hell, he claimed to be an anti-town role (survivor) in any case; generally speaking, when someone claims survivor, you always lynch them.

[charter]

I agree with Yos. Scum is either Nuwen or Vi, and Shos is a SK. If there was any post that someone besides them has a burning desire for me to respond to, please let me know and I will be glad to do so, but I won't waste my breath on any of them.

There's really nothing else to say about the last several pages. All three of them tried to push a wagon on me, and the only reason for doing so is trying to force through a lynch on the person who only cares just enough about this game not to subject some poor soul to reading a terrible mess.

Vote Nuwen

She can't think of any clever questions to ask the mod? Lol

[charter]

Actually, I think we have to kill the SK today. If Vi is actually the last scum and two kills go through tonight, then the SK will likely win.

Unvote, vote Shos

[Zar]

I'm shifting back to my Vi is the scum D3 mode.

The way I see it, nobody in this game makes more sense as a partner to Furcolow than Vi.

Vote Vi

Will be back with more about this.

[Nuwen]

I believe Shos is a bulletproof, action-lmmune survivor given a fake-claim by the mod (you forgot the action immunity part, by the way - is this so you can be consistent later when you try to call Zar a liar, or are we just not paying much attention here).

In your next posts you can both explain why your top scum read (and the lesser scum read, Vi) is

not lynching the so-called SK when he has a vest

. Scum can't kill him. Scum can't affect his actions with their abilities. In your minds, scum should be happily lynching the so-called SK to avoid death-by-crosskill in this situation, right? So why are neither of your top scum-reads currently favoring a Shos lynch.

It's Yos and Charter, guys

.

[Nuwen]

ZAR

ZAR VOTE CHARTER I SEE YOU THERE WITH YOUR FACE

[Yosarian2]

Actually, I think we have to kill the SK today. If Vi is actually the last scum and two kills go through tonight, then the SK will likely win.

Unvote, vote Shos

Charter: Don't worry, it's not Vi, it's Nuwen.

Remember at the start of the day, Nuwen said that Vi must be a "sk with a bulletproof vest" because she survivied getting scumkilled; this was *before* Vi claimed that someone probably tried and failed to kill her last night. Only way Nuwen could have known that is if she's mafia, and she tried and failed to kill Vi. It also explains the missing mafia kill nicely.

Also, the more I think about it, the more sense it makes. Nuwen was the first to speculate that Furcolow wasn't actually the mafia rolecop; looking back on it now, she probably has inside information there also.

[shos]

charter signed up his death now, lol. if I am an SK which is action-immune, as Zar can tell you, then how comes I was roleblocked and there were two nights in which I didn't kill?

you're making fun of yourself now.

[Yosarian2]

In your next posts you can both explain why your top scum read (and the lesser scum read, Vi) is

not lynching the so-called SK when he has a vest

. Scum can't kill him. Scum can't affect his actions with their abilities. In your minds, scum should be happily lynching the so-called SK to avoid death-by-crosskill in this situation, right? So why are neither of your top scum-reads currently favoring a Shos lynch.

Oh, Vi is town. Right now I'm guessing that you're probably the last mafia in the game.

Your point is interesting. Perhaps you're more worried about a living town flavorcop for some reason? If your claim was a lie, you have good reason to want him dead.

It's Yos and Charter, guys

.

Yeah, nice try. I could have bought charter if you could have found a plausible way to explain away the ttracker thing; I could even buy you suspecting me to be a SK, but there's no way in hell town-Nuwen would actually think I'm scum with furcolow here, or that I'm mafia who claimed my own kill at the start of day 2 as some kind of stupid gambit, or that the mafia killed Elmo right after how day 1 ended. Not only is there no way you could believe all that, you're not even mentioning ANY of that, and just pretending that none of that is even a problem here.

Or, to put it another way, just to point out the absurdity of what you're claiming to believe here:

One more time, so everyone can hear it Parama: Yos is scum claiming vig. You think Yos is scum claiming vig. You, Parama, think Yosarian2 claimed out the scum kill as a vig bullet for no reason or hint of a track/whatever result on him.