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[jasonT1981]

Vote Count 1 Day 3

Scott B - 2 PereV,splitfarvle
Split 2 - vijay2vansandani,Tammy
vijay2vansandani 1 - Yates,
PereV 2 - HezLucky ,Scott Brosius,

Not voting

The Mini-Librarian

Day 3 begins with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

(expired on 2012-06-27 08:43:15)

till Day 3 Deadline

[Yates]

I hope you guys aren't waiting for me to take the lead on this. I'm out of ideas and we only have a week to come up with a plan.

[HezLucky]

Given that you are voting Vijay, no, I'm not too interested in any plans of yours. Please move your vote to one of the three bigger wagons.

[Tammy]

Happy scumday Hez.

If we can't get Split moving, I could move to Pere. I was just rereading and I'm still bothered by how it seemed like he was pushing the Korlash wagon but not being willing to get on it himself. I'm still rather bothered by that.

Would feel much much better about Split though.

[PeregrineV]

I'll vote split, but do want to note how static the wagons are. this leads me to believe that the last two scum are not together on a wagon.

Vote: Split

[Tammy]

Yeah Pere, the both of you jumping onto Scott Brosius right after day made me think the two of you are unlikely to be paired.

I don't like that Yates is parked on Vijay, but his laying a trap thing is unlikely to come from scum I think.

And it looks like TML has site flaked.

[Yates]

First - I'm not voting for VJ. I unvoted back on the 8th as a result of some research I did answering one of Scott's follow up questions. I guess I could have made that more clear to Mod as I did bury that in a WoT.

I'm willing to

Unvote

Tammy brings up a good point. While my initial opinion of Scott was VI, I did like his line of thinking later and his question to me seemed to be Townish in nature. So between the two of them, I have a stronger Town read on Scott. More damning, though, is the opportunism Pere has been displaying in his voting patterns. Plus, I don't like someone casting a vote for a vacant slot that has an easy wagon forming. If we had a guilty read or some other type of smoking gun situation, that would be one thing. Otherwise, I am against placing votes for vacant slots. That's too easy and opportunistic of a target for scum. It looks like you want to lynch the slot before a competent player jumps in and makes it too hard to mislynch. This doesn't sit well with me.

I could be convinced to vote Pere barring further evidence coming to light.

[PeregrineV]

First - I'm not voting for VJ. I unvoted back on the 8th as a result of some research I did answering one of Scott's follow up questions. I guess I could have made that more clear to Mod as I did bury that in a WoT.

I'm willing to

Unvote

Tammy brings up a good point. While my initial opinion of Scott was VI, I did like his line of thinking later and his question to me seemed to be Townish in nature.

I'm amiable to being lynched today, as long as the rest of the day is spent in deep, hard arguments.

Such as, regarding your post above, which "line of [later] thinking" and what single question moved Scott from VI to "Town"?

So between the two of them, I have a stronger Town read on Scott. More damning, though, is the opportunism Pere has been displaying in his voting patterns.

Please elaborate on this. Pere voted ______ when he could have voted ___________ in Post _____ would be what I'm looking for here.
And, please show how it is opportunistic.

Plus, I don't like someone casting a vote for a vacant slot that has an easy wagon forming.

Easy wagon forming?

Maybe we better look over the last time SplitPizza was voted with any amount of fervor.

Day 1 Vote Count 4

Rat

3 -

MOI, Korlash

, Mini-Librarian
SplitPizza 3 - HezLucky,

Fate,pappums rat

MOI

2 -

Benmage

, Yates
Mini-Librarian 1 - Scott Brosius
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,

Korlash 1 - PereV

Not Voting

Tammy
SplitPizza

Day 1 Vote Count 4

SplitPizza 4 - HezLucky,

Fate, pappums rat

, Tammy

Rat 3 - MOI, Korlash,

Mini-Librarian

MOI

2 -

Benmage

, Yates
Mini-Librarian 1 - ScottBrosius
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,
Tammy 1 -

PereV

Not Voting

SplitPizza

Day 1 Vote Count 5

Rat 4 - MOI,Korlash

,Mini-Librarian, SplitPizza,
SplitPizza 3 - HezLucky,

Fate

, Tammy

MOI

3 -

Benmage

, Yates,

pappums rat

Mini-Librarian 1 - Scoot Brosius
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,
Tammy 1 -

PereV

Day 1 Vote Count 6

Rat 4 - MOI,Korlash,

Mini-Librarian, SplitPizza

MOI

4 -

Benmage

, Yates,

pappums rat

,Tammy
SplitPizza 2 - HezLucky,

Fate

Mini-Librarian 1 - ScottBrosius
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,
Tammy 1 -

PereV

Tell me what this indicates to you.

If we had a guilty read or some other type of smoking gun situation, that would be one thing. Otherwise, I am against placing votes for vacant slots.

In theory, I am too.
But, that rules out SplitPizza and TML.
And you find Scott town.
And Tammy town.
And HezLucky town.

That's too easy and opportunistic of a target for scum.

Really? TML would be a much better opportunistic target, as he hasn't officially replaced out, but also hasn't been on site.

It looks like you want to lynch the slot before a competent player jumps in and makes it too hard to mislynch.

This is the first time you've mentioned pizza (except to exasperatingly agree with him) or split. And now, his play for the past three game days has been "incompetent"?
why have you not mentioned this before, when either player was here?
Your sum total Split/pizza opinions were

I kind of like PV's split vote, mostly because I don't have a very strong read on Split's slot.

@ Split - Oh hi there! I didn't realize you were still playing!

This doesn't sit well with me.

Cool. Then talk me through the thought processes of going from post 915 to now.

I could be convinced to vote Pere barring further evidence coming to light.

And why not splitPizza? Given your lack of mentions of him all game, I'm curious why lynching me would be preferable to someone not here.

[PeregrineV]

Me and Yates

Talk is great. But as you try to lead conversations down the path of inconsequentialness, it looks less like scumhunting and more like...scum.

I like this post.

1. I have never played with Korlash before so I don't know if his play here is "typical Korlash" or not but I certainly don't understand his playing style. There seems to be a lot of fluff and arguing for the sake of arguing which is where I agree with Pere in post 350.

Used to be love....

[Yates]

Me and Yates
...
Used to be love....

So true. But that was Day 1 stuff, man. The Bromance is fleeting.

In response to 1007:

what single question moved Scott from VI to "Town"?

Post 947 was the turning point for me. It looked like Scott legitimately removed his head from his butt in that post. It was either a renewed interest in the game that gave him some clarity or really good scum coaching. And this clarity continued into Post 972. My biggest problem with Scott right now is his level of activity. I'd like to see a lot more conversation out of him. This doesn't make him a scum imo, but I know a lot of people see "lurking" as a scum tell. So, my advice to him is to get on here and post more.

Please elaborate on this [voting patterns].

Back in 458, you voted MattP for voting Pizza/Split slot while and now you are voting Pizza/Split. I know the game changes a lot and reads change BUT what's interesting is that the MattP vote kept you off a major wagon just as you had done on Day 1 with your Korlash vote. [Although upon further review, you weaken my argument by defending this as your "this thread sucks" scum tell]

In 523 TML told you to keep in mind MOI's theory on why Matt may have voted Pizza and you agreed. Did you ever revisit this after flips?

In 744 you voted Shotty/Hez slot for voting Pizza/Split. [Which I guess goes back to reinforcing my point on 458]

In 766 you called VJ "probably Town. " I hated VJ at that point therefore I hated this post. And you posted this TWICE! Doesn't make you scum but still, dude, this is when the Bromance started going South.

802 was just a weird post that I pretty much ignored at the time. I couldn't understand why you were arguing with Korlash about the number of words he used to make his cases/arguments. It was especially befuddling when there were so many other PERTINENT points to be made at the time.

Even as late as 856 you are casting suspicion on Korlash while avoiding his wagon in favor of a non-wagon [Hezlucky]. So that's two days in a row that you avoided the "mislynch" while staying on alternate/lesser wagons. I think this is what Tammy was getting at in here 919 post.

Normally, this isn't a huge tell to me. The fact that you keep bringing up voting history [as recently as 1007] as YOUR method for finding scum, though, actually DOES make this suspicious. Do you understand why I think that?

Now to the nitty gritty; your vote for Pizza/Split in post 908 just as day breaks. Part of the reason I asked you to support your claim re the Pappums/Split link is because that happened so long ago in the game I couldn't even find it when I was actually LOOKING for it.

Then, out of nowhere, you switched to Scott in 932 [your very next post]? It looks like you were saying you were voting Scott b/c you claimed you weren't buying my argument that Scott was a VI and therefore scum? This looks suspicious to me since he was in the pool with you. I will carry this into my response to this question:

Easy wagon forming?

"Easy wagon" may not be the ideal choice of words. "Opportunistic wagon?" Call it what you will, when you take my poe post into account [as you evidently did with your Scott vote], you have to see why I think it looks opportunistic. You are basically taking the one other null read I have and trying to take advantage of it by claiming Scott is not a VI and must therefore obviously be scum. So this was your strongest move until you saw the Scott wagon collapsing [between your posts 987 and 1004] then make a vote on Split who also just happens to be in my poe pool AND replacing out of the game.

The fact that

everyone

has TML as obvTown pretty much invalidates your point about TML being the better target of opportunity. You know this.

And now, his play for the past three game days has been "incompetent"?

You are misreading me [though I do happen to think Pizza is a very weak player in general]. Pizza and Split were both basically empty slots this whole game. What I was arguing is that there is a danger of an active AND competent person jumping in to the slot. Scum would want to avoid this and try to get this slot lynched while the suspicion is still there.

Then talk me through the thought processes of going from post 915 to now.

As I also pointed out in 915, I had you and Scott as my null reads in my "40% Scum" pool. If I'm able to remove Scott from that pool, the odds go up to 50%. The rest of how I got from 915 to now is outlined in my points above. Though, I feel like my statement in your quote is being misrepresented a bit as I did follow up with 918 after checking the veracity of your statement regarding the link between Pizza/Split and Pappums. That's really where my suspicion starts, actually.

[Yates]

Me and Yates
...
Used to be love....

So true. But that was Day 1 stuff, man. The Bromance is fleeting.

Spoiler:

In response to 1007:

what single question moved Scott from VI to "Town"?

Post 947 was the turning point for me. It looked like Scott legitimately removed his head from his butt in that post. It was either a renewed interest in the game that gave him some clarity or really good scum coaching. And this clarity continued into Post 972. My biggest problem with Scott right now is his level of activity. I'd like to see a lot more conversation out of him. This doesn't make him a scum imo, but I know a lot of people see "lurking" as a scum tell. So, my advice to him is to get on here and post more.

Please elaborate on this [voting patterns].

Back in 458, you voted MattP for voting Pizza/Split slot while and now you are voting Pizza/Split. I know the game changes a lot and reads change BUT what's interesting is that the MattP vote kept you off a major wagon just as you had done on Day 1 with your Korlash vote. [Although upon further review, you weaken my argument by defending this as your "this thread sucks" scum tell]

In 523 TML told you to keep in mind MOI's theory on why Matt may have voted Pizza and you agreed. Did you ever revisit this after flips?

In 744 you voted Shotty/Hez slot for voting Pizza/Split. [Which I guess goes back to reinforcing my point on 458]

In 766 you called VJ "probably Town. " I hated VJ at that point therefore I hated this post. And you posted this TWICE! Doesn't make you scum but still, dude, this is when the Bromance started going South.

802 was just a weird post that I pretty much ignored at the time. I couldn't understand why you were arguing with Korlash about the number of words he used to make his cases/arguments. It was especially befuddling when there were so many other PERTINENT points to be made at the time.

Even as late as 856 you are casting suspicion on Korlash while avoiding his wagon in favor of a non-wagon [Hezlucky]. So that's two days in a row that you avoided the "mislynch" while staying on alternate/lesser wagons. I think this is what Tammy was getting at in here 919 post.

Normally, this isn't a huge tell to me. The fact that you keep bringing up voting history [as recently as 1007] as YOUR method for finding scum, though, actually DOES make this suspicious. Do you understand why I think that?

Now to the nitty gritty; your vote for Pizza/Split in post 908 just as day breaks. Part of the reason I asked you to support your claim re the Pappums/Split link is because that happened so long ago in the game I couldn't even find it when I was actually LOOKING for it.

Then, out of nowhere, you switched to Scott in 932 [your very next post]? It looks like you were saying you were voting Scott b/c you claimed you weren't buying my argument that Scott was a VI and therefore scum? This looks suspicious to me since he was in the pool with you. I will carry this into my response to this question:

Easy wagon forming?

"Easy wagon" may not be the ideal choice of words. "Opportunistic wagon?" Call it what you will, when you take my poe post into account [as you evidently did with your Scott vote], you have to see why I think it looks opportunistic. You are basically taking the one other null read I have and trying to take advantage of it by claiming Scott is not a VI and must therefore obviously be scum. So this was your strongest move until you saw the Scott wagon collapsing [between your posts 987 and 1004] then make a vote on Split who also just happens to be in my poe pool AND replacing out of the game.

The fact that

everyone

has TML as obvTown pretty much invalidates your point about TML being the better target of opportunity. You know this.

And now, his play for the past three game days has been "incompetent"?

You are misreading me [though I do happen to think Pizza is a very weak player in general]. Pizza and Split were both basically empty slots this whole game. What I was arguing is that there is a danger of an active AND competent person jumping in to the slot. Scum would want to avoid this and try to get this slot lynched while the suspicion is still there.

Then talk me through the thought processes of going from post 915 to now.

As I also pointed out in 915, I had you and Scott as my null reads in my "40% Scum" pool. If I'm able to remove Scott from that pool, the odds go up to 50%. The rest of how I got from 915 to now is outlined in my points above. Though, I feel like my statement in your quote is being misrepresented a bit as I did follow up with 918 after checking the veracity of your statement regarding the link between Pizza/Split and Pappums. That's really where my suspicion starts, actually.

[Yates]

Double post fail? WTF? And the first post didn't even include my Bromance pic.

[PeregrineV]

Scott 942/972- I suppose so, but making those posts then vanishing does not really inspire confidence in me that he is town. And since I definitely don't think he's a VI, then really only leaves one other choice. And so voting him for it makes sense. I guess it would be pressure, but it only got up to 2 votes, and he still has come in with more posts like that, so he stays suspect-scummy.

Post 458 was day 1. Coming in, saying you hate the thread, and voting Pizza (who was pretty much not here) with not even comments on MoI, Korlash, Fate, except to say he hated them. And the vote was the post after 424. So yeah, my vote for him was well placed. Only thing even redeeming that slot is Tammy.

Don't remember 523, but I'll go look.

744- The second half of my post mentioned how Hez didn't vote MoI the first time he went L-1 (it was early in the day, and a town flip would give more grief to scum-Hez), but how when the day wore on, he did move over and vote MoI. The second reason was stronger than the split/pizza vote. I mentioned it because it looked like he could be riding his scumbuddy up until he jumped over to town.

More later, need to do work then pack up and go home.

[Tammy]

Erm...not everyone has TML as obvtown...I don't.

And, I'm reading Pere as town more and more.

Yates, no one's afraid that some competent person is going to come in and take over the Pizza/Split spot. I legitimately read that slot as scum. Split came in and did absolutely nothing with it. Now I have very little experience with Split, and I do try to stay away from meta as much as possible, but my experience with Split, when he was innocent, was more active than what he gave us while he was here. So, I happen to believe that Split is a competent player, and as such am not worrying about a more competent player coming in and upsetting the balance. I thought Split was scummy. I read Pizza as scummy. I read the interactions between Ben and Pizza as scummy. Sure, I may be wrong, but it's my best shot.

I'm back to thinking that it could be between Pizza/Split spot/Scott/TML possibly. But really we need another flip to be sure. If Split is scum, I can't see Pere being scum too.

[Scott Brosius]

Getting owned by work...will read.

[HezLucky]

SO SPLIT OR PEREV.

OKAY.

I NEED A FUCKING FLIP.

ON A SCALE OF "LYNCH HIM" [3], "WOULD LYNCH" [2] AND "WON'T LYNCH" [1] RATE THOSE TWO

PEREV - 3 [HEZ]
SPLIT - 2 [HEZ]

EVERYBODY GO.

[HezLucky]

THIS ALSO HAS THE ADDED EFFECT OF NO FENCESITTING

[Tammy]

Split - 3...3...3...3...3...3...3....3....3...3.3..3.3.3.3.33.3.3.3. (Tammy)
Pere - 1.5 - He's reading more townie to me lately. I would lynch to avoid a no lynch, but Split. (Tammy)
Scott - 2 (Tammy...adding in my own vote)

[vijay2vasandani]

2 for split, Pere and Yates.

[HezLucky]

TAMMY THERE IS NO 1.5

ETIHER YOU WOULD LYNCH SOMEONE IN SOME HYPOTHETICAL WORLD OR YOU WOULDN'T.

PEREV - 3 [Hez], 2 [Vijay], 1.5 [Tammy - WHICH IS REALLY TWO]
SPLIT - 3 [Tammy], 2 [Hez], 2 [Vijay]

MOAR VOTES

[HezLucky]

SPLIT AND PERE NEED NOT DO THIS EXERCISE.

[Yates]

Alright, it's been long enough. I'm going to let Pere off the hook and tell him I called him scum to see how SCOTT would react. I didn't have a great read on Scott's slot. I wanted to see if he would jump in on the Pere pile on [either to defend or pursue] if I made it look like enough Townies thought Pere was scum. My thinking was that if they were buddies, he would come to Pere's rescue. If Scott was scum, he would try to "rally the troops." The fact that he didn't do either makes me feel better about both Pere and Scott as Town.

At this point I guess I could be convinced to lynch the vacant slot, even though it really flies in the face of one of my unwritten rules.

Split - 3
Pere - 1
Scott - 1

[Yates]

@Pere - still Bros?

[PeregrineV]

I'll still answer once I've caught up.

@Yates- Sure, but don't be the WISC this game.

[Yates]

WISC?