Mini 1348- Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga Mafia (Game Over)

[PeregrineV]

@Ben- you should vote Johnny.

thoughts on dicknose (the player)?
pedit:lol..ok

but thoughts too

[Benmage]

Yeah, fuck me... working with crtl copy I had a post of thoughts that went up to pg 7.... bleh.

Dicknose, came off as town early.

Unvote Vote Johhn

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[Benmage]

Ehh breezed through, wasnt much missed.

- Benmage - why was your Acosmist vote "/srs?".

-I thought he was calling his rvs vote not serious. So I was like no shit.... But on a second look it looks like he was talking about the line he said to you. Which would make me feel better, but I already have him down for town.

I think Ben is suspicious as he just voted without giving a reason. I also find MattP suspicious as he put someone into L-1 so quickly.
I don't like how that bandwagon formed so easily and without much of a reason so I actually think the first few votes are scum. The first vote was RVS so there's not much to say. But ben just jumped on the bandwagon to get it started with no reason.

Do you usually see the 6th post and 2nd rvs vote on someone contain much content?

[iDanyboy]

Hmm good point, but I would think the mafia would get into the votes early to get a bandwagon started, I don't think they would join the wagon late. That was what I was thinking, and if your pist has no content that's a perfect escape to use as mafia but town do that as well so the content wasn't scummy contrary to what I posted it was your vote.

[Benmage]

Holy shit matt is right. Especially about 117. ( and I don't mean the Master Chief)

I disagree with most of this post, post 152 especially with 117. Only the last point referring to post 131 looks plausible.

You have me as scum for both being passive and for being aggressive, good job.

Cool, thats a town response.

Scum would've thrown justification everywhere.

Psyche, just because you haven't noticed the flavor knowledge point does not mean it's incorrect. Go through previous games with flavor and see for yourself.

So?

Oh here's the play by play:
post 174
Seesawing a little here now.

@Psyche- That was a pretty bad fake dayvig. What did you expect from it? And I know someone asked something about it, but your answer seemed lacking.

It was so shitty, I breezed past it. I don't think you're going to get much from it, unless you want to press Pysche into telling you he's shitty at mafia.

[Benmage]

Hmm good point, but I would think the mafia would get into the votes early to get a bandwagon started, I don't think they would join the wagon late. That was what I was thinking, and if your pist has no content that's a perfect escape to use as mafia but town do that as well so the content wasn't scummy contrary to what I posted it was your vote.

So it wasn't the lack of content.... it was being the 2nd vote.

Well AtA (Appeal to Authority? Quasi scummy?)
Anyways:

Trying to start an early wagon is one of the quickest ways to end the rvs, and should be considered a towntell. (Write that down)

[Slandaar]

I never said you thought I was doing it intentionally.

You don't know my meta well enough

if you think I'd play intentionally different from my town play.

The point is;
When I voted you, there is no way I could know its intentional or not (and I would never assume it was)

I'm trying to be less dick, more nose by not accusing people of being scum every other post. Apparently the only difference is that I'm posting fluff, though. I don't think that has anything to do with confidence, but bluntness, sure.

Slandaar's free to explain how that makes me scum.

Again; you are implying I think you are scum for playing intentionally different.

You

are

playing different ergo I assumed scum.
The fact is you don't seem to acknowledge if you play differently to your town meta people will suspect you as scum.

It doesn't make a lot of sense...
-You do NOT think I think its intentional
-But you also don't understand why I think you are scum for playing differently? (264)

[Slandaar]

Are you going somewhere with that, or just verbally touching yourself for pleasure?

I did get a lot of pleasure but there is a point too...

You clearly didn't put the time in to look into it properly and were very quick to dismiss something which is clearly correct based on Dicknose's admissions.

He is playing differently, to explain the differences would take a huge amount of time and really isn't worth the effort, but he is.

You didn't really care/didn't put the effort in to figure out if what I said is correct.

Its strange because It leaves me at an impass, it makes a lot of sense for you as scum and dicktown to breeze over and dismiss it because you would assume the differences are not there. It also makes sense from lazytown which you do not appear to be or town who is just too sure of themselves.

I am considering which it is.

[Bricktoes]

I probably could have been clearer. I'm saying I'm playing intentionally different from my town play. If, based on on that, you think I'm scum, you're wrong.

You think, whether it's intentional or not, that I'm playing differently than I've played in on game as town and therefore am scum. You won't show how it's similar to how I've played as scum or how the difference by itself is scummy, so you don't have a case.

[JohnnyFarrar]

It would be reasons with an -s, and Thor vote is another.

Why does that bother you? I had a reason to vote him at the time and now I have no one better to vote.

Either you are wasting your vote on purpose, or you are trying to communicate the message that if someone had to die right now, you'd pick Thor, because he's scummier than the remaining 11 players.

What about Psyche, Matt, dicknose, Acomist, me?

Slandaar? Yates?

What about the ghosts like Agent Ireland, BenMage and iDanny?

Nah I don't want Thor to die. No one else can fill our Beard quota D1.
I'll apologize because I haven't been following this game closely. I've just been sort of skimming. I'll give opinions on everyone now.

Psyche is posting a lot without really saying anything useful. 10,15,17,21,36,94,146, and 161 all could be deleted from this game and nothing would change. I agree with Ben that he spent too long telling Acosmist to answer his question when he could have just quoted it again from the start. I don't agree that the unvote is scummy, I've seen people from both alignments unvote, and I've never really learned anything when someone did it. Some of his posts just show faulty reasoning, which feel like newbtells to me but could be scum... leaning scum, but yates has convinced me to not vote him today.

Matt championed a bs case against my biggest townread (penisnostril) (which resulted in me getting that townread, but I digress) and stuck with it, refusing to give other reads. He accused Thor of being a scumbuddy for no good reason in 171 and held onto that idea until, miraculously, he adds Thor to his townlist in 259. He's done close to nothing else.
So yeah, Imma VOTE: MattP

dicknose is aggressive and active. Excluding post 117, there's nothing keeping him from receiving an honorary "Johnny thinks you're town" card. I just find his posts genuine. I like it when people ask questions.

Acosmist is confusing. 28 confuses me. 31 confuses me. 38 confuses me. He just seems really cocky for no particular reason. Just seems to be talking about things that don't matter like previous games and (I know I'm hypocritical for saying this) flavor knowledge. Aside from the confusion, I've only seen him interact with me, Bk, and Psyche. I'm getting yelled at for not paying attention to everyone, so should he. (read that last sentence in your best whiny toddler voice)

you (PV) are voting me. So I don't like you. (Though this reason is better than the last one I replied to). A couple questions: 1) Acosmist used the term "bussing" before I did on page one. Why did you pick me out and not him? 2)Why did you leave BK off this list of people you posted for me? and 3) I'm just curious, you say I'm part of the scumteam. Is it going to kill all your reads when I flip town (if I get lynched that is)?

slandaar is someone I disagree with. I find Dicknose pretty townie right now and I hate meta arguments for this exact reason, sometimes people play differently. Since this has been his only argument in his whole 7 posts, I don't know what to think. Gonna stick with null-scum. p-edit Yeah, this is a meta-accusation and nothing more. I don't like it. Come up with some kind of case from this current game and I'll listen.

yates is a pretty big town read for me. I haven't seen him under pressure so it's not as strong a read as dicknose (I don't like typing that name) but his posts are intelligent, well thought out, and easy to understand. He also called for a prod on all the lurkers, which made me smile.

AI has been busy. So there's that.

Ben just recently started posting more. He called me scummy in 271 but didn't vote me until 277, a span in which I said nothing. I don't like that. The rest of his stuff has been null for me. (Though I kinda wanna vote him because he doesn't have an avatar)

Danny has posted 3 times. This most recent post is a bit contradictory but I'd need to see more before I decide that he's scum.

BK has certain posts I like (60) and certain posts I don't like (85, 92). Null, maybe inching onto the scumside. Doesn't explain enough. (but that could just be that I'm slow and like things spelled out for me )

[Thor665]

@Ben - Why is Psyche town?

He is playing differently, to explain the differences would take a huge amount of time and really isn't worth the effort, but he is.

Uh huh...

Yeah, his own admission of how he's playing different has nothing to do with bluntness or aggression like you suggested earlier. Are you calling his description of how he's playing different true or false at this stage?

(also, you missed the possibility that I'm just a fast reader and more clever than you and so spotted the difference or lack thereof super quick...maybe that would be hard though since the difference is so subtle and awesome it can barely be described!)

Nah I don't want Thor to die. No one else can fill our Beard quota D1.

In that big wall of reads you actually didn't apply a read to me, that makes my beard go 'hurm...'
Wanna help a beard out?

[pappums rat]

Votecount 1.6

Psyche - 3 (Acosmist, Thor665, dicknose)
MattP - 2 (Yates, JohnnyFarrar)
dicknose - 3 (MattP, BK201, Slandaar)
JohnnyFarrar - 2 (PeregrineV, Benmage)

Not voting - (Agent_Ireland, iDanyBoy, Psyche)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 5, 2012.

[Acosmist]

It's funny that I went from L-1 to being cleared by truckloads of people in the blink of an eye. Townies who were on that wagon: can you promise not to do something that dumb again?

I must have missed the part where you were "cleared". Where was that again?

The wagon was disbanded, and suspicious because of the speed. But it doesn't completely clear you, IMO.

Your beef is with the people clearing me. hth

[Thor665]

Other than Matt, has anyone?

[Acosmist]

Lets see this is my top of pg 7 list (still reading etc):
TOWN:
Benmage
Acosmist
Thor665
dicknose
BK201
PeregrineV
Psyche
MattP

NULL:
Yates
Slandaar
Agent_Ireland --Yet to post. (probtowntell)

SCUM:
JohnnyFarrar
iDanyBoy

Look, a post Thor could have read himself but DIDN'T, for some reason. Why not? I thought Thor had a reputation for being good at mafia.

[Thor665]

That list came out *after* you mentioned all the people clearing you.

So...yeah, question still stands and you can hold the 'gotcha' attitude until you, y'know, 'get' me.

[Acosmist]

Other than Matt, has anyone?

When was this posted, the question that I answered, you expert on time you?

That question stands? So does my answer, and my suspicion of your motivation for not finding this information yourself. It's not posted in any secret place. It's all in the thread.

You seem very annoyed at my status in this game. Why would you be?

[Slandaar]

Yeah, his own admission of how he's playing different has nothing to do with bluntness or aggression like you suggested earlier. Are you calling his description of how he's playing different true or false at this stage?

I think that his assessment of what he was looking to change is fair and probably makes the initial argument null.

I think what he said aligns with my points. If hes asking more questions hes not making statements therefore seems less confident or less to the point/blunt

(also, you missed the possibility that I'm just a fast reader and more clever than you and so spotted the difference or lack thereof super quick...maybe that would be hard though since the difference is so subtle and awesome it can barely be described!)

See above, I am sure I am right. Dick admits to differences, you said you saw none. You are wrong, but this does fit with 'town too sure of themselves'.

I probably could have been clearer. I'm saying I'm playing intentionally different from my town play. If, based on on that, you think I'm scum, you're wrong.

I never thought you were scum based on you playing intentionally different.

You think, whether it's intentional or not, that I'm playing differently than I've played in on game as town and therefore am scum. You won't show how it's similar to how I've played as scum or how the difference by itself is scummy, so you don't have a case.

2 games.

I think you are scum.

See im pretty sure if you were town you would have said 'im playing intentionally different' when I accused you and understood why I thought you were scum.

Instead I get some waffly junk which isnt clear;

Dick: you dont seem as confident here; Your bluntness is nowhere to be seen.

You don't know my meta well enough if you think I'd play intentionally different from my town play. You can take this as a "would I do this as scum?" defense, but it obviously isn't working for me in this game and I'd already learned that in Newbie 1173.

It just makes no sense in context.

Its like Dick skips a section of the conversation straight to his defence.

[Acosmist]

So when someone doesn't post for 18 hours, that's a lurker? This is what Johnny is saying re: Yates.

Anyone know if Yates pressures fake lurkers when they are fake lurking and actually posting instead of lurking and Yates is lying about their lurking? I don't actually know for SURE he was town in the game where we weren't both scum. Yates, were you town in SF? It's been abandoned, so you can answer.

[Acosmist]

And, of course, you replaced into Metroid, so you have no early-game behavior in that game for comparison.

[Thor665]

Other than Matt, has anyone?

When was this posted, the question that I answered, you expert on time you?

That question stands? So does my answer, and my suspicion of your motivation for not finding this information yourself. It's not posted in any secret place. It's all in the thread.

You seem very annoyed at my status in this game. Why would you be?

Wow...okay, we can dance, out-dicking you houldn't be hard at all.

Here's a timeline from the expert of time.

1. You say "truckloads" have cleared you.
2. Benmage calls you town.
3. I ask who has cleared you besides Matt.
4. You say Benmage.
5. I ask for the rest you meant when you said truckloads since I wanted to know who had cleared you at the point you said that.
6. You decided to whine.

Make sense now? WHo were the "truckloads"?
That's the question - I know Matt was there, who was the rest that made it a load that could fill a truck, since clearly Benmage wasn't part of the truck, and was rather following on a motorcycle.

You seem annoyed at me questioning your statements. Why would that be?

[Thor665]

And on re-reading I see you're also accusing me of evil ends for not researching it myself.

Well...ATTENTION TRUCKLOADS OF PEOPLE WHO THINK ACOSMIST IS TOWN - I AM EVIL AND TRYING TO IGNORE YOU, IF YOU THINK HE'S CLEAR AND WANT TO STOP MY EVIL PLAN, PLEASE JUST LET ME KNOW YOUR NAMES SO I CAN COWER FROM YOU AND ACOSMIST'S NIGH CONFIRMED TOWN STATUS PROPERLY.

There, that should fool them into the open so that my vile plan of plotting will work.

[Acosmist]

Other than Matt, has anyone?

When was this posted, the question that I answered, you expert on time you?

That question stands? So does my answer, and my suspicion of your motivation for not finding this information yourself. It's not posted in any secret place. It's all in the thread.

You seem very annoyed at my status in this game. Why would you be?

Wow...okay, we can dance, out-dicking you houldn't be hard at all.

Here's a timeline from the expert of time.

1. You say "truckloads" have cleared you.
2. Benmage calls you town.
3. I ask who has cleared you besides Matt.
4. You say Benmage.
5. I ask for the rest you meant when you said truckloads since I wanted to know who had cleared you at the point you said that.
6. You decided to whine.

Make sense now? WHo were the "truckloads"?
That's the question - I know Matt was there, who was the rest that made it a load that could fill a truck, since clearly Benmage wasn't part of the truck, and was rather following on a motorcycle.

You seem annoyed at me questioning your statements. Why would that be?

You said stupid things. Why would that annoy me? I would think it would annoy you, since it pokes holes in this reputation of yours that I'm learning about.

You're also lying. Whining? Where?

Lynch all liars? That still in effect? You seem very, very, VERY irritated at the position I've reached in this game, and I can't imagine why

town

would be bothered by that.

Further, you're intentionally missing the point of what I said - I go from 6 votes to "never lynch this man, this man is so town he has ALL the Dragon Balls or whatever this mythos has that makes people town". I didn't point this out to bask in my status, but to wonder why I was an acceptable speed lynch (I had 6 votes when 8 people had posted in the game at all) one minute and then

immediately

became a person people were racing to get their votes off. If it was ok lynching me before, why did 6 people stumble vaudevillian-slapstick-style all over each other trying to flee my wagon?

I think it would be useful to know exactly why the wagon disintegrated like it was made of ununoctium. I've seen several posts that say "Oh yeah Acosmist is town" without an explanation. No, that won't do.

[Acosmist]

And on re-reading I see you're also accusing me of evil ends for not researching it myself.

Well...ATTENTION TRUCKLOADS OF PEOPLE WHO THINK ACOSMIST IS TOWN - I AM EVIL AND TRYING TO IGNORE YOU, IF YOU THINK HE'S CLEAR AND WANT TO STOP MY EVIL PLAN, PLEASE JUST LET ME KNOW YOUR NAMES SO I CAN COWER FROM YOU AND ACOSMIST'S NIGH CONFIRMED TOWN STATUS PROPERLY.

There, that should fool them into the open so that my vile plan of plotting will work.

Yes, you sure showed how indifferent you are to this by beating it into the ground and posting in caps!

Cool as the Fonz.

[Thor665]

So...any names? I'm just curious who the truckload is still.