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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:44 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Whisper wrote: Because it's actually how I usually go about voting. I don't believe much in RVS, and as town I have previously gone an entire game day without placing a real vote. So I'd say your reasoning = null, and why would you vote for that when you've already pointed out players that are genuinely scummy?


So you have a behavior with no Pro-Town motivation and have displayed said behavior as scum before but it should be Null? Nope.jpg.


I have displayed it as town before. Seriously, if you're going to rely on my meta (as you always do) to attack me, then just my posting style and level of participation thus far should be enough to make you question your scum read on me.

Whisper wrote: You mean Amrun. Calling 3 players either null or scum reads is not dodging anything. The reason I haven't voted any of them yet is because I haven't decided which one I find scummiest, and I certainly won't vote someone blindly and before at least giving them an opportunity to respond to some kind of a case, which unfortunately can be said of the people voting for me. We are only 72 hours into day 1, and there has not been much scumhunting - other than fighting over which plan should be followed.


So once again – you call three players either Null or scum and hold off on actually making any sort of commitment to who is scummy and why. Scum can and do get caught and hung within 7 pages in Mini Theme games. Pretending you can't scum-hunt early is a fallacy.


I'm not pretending anything. I've not mentioned scumhunting. Your issue with me is the fact I didn't vote, and I stated that I was going to vote once I'd decided who was most scummiest. And I have.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:46 am

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@Robocopter
I just forgot to unvote.
UNVOTE: Voidedmafia
Although it is strange that you are pointing that out and not Voided.
IceGuy wrote:
MagnaofIllusion wrote:
You need to rethink that stance. I don’t find Hoopla scummy.

Why is your vote idle if you find Hoopla objectionable?


Because I don't consider her scummy enough to want her lynched (especially as her towniness has been increasing with every subsequent post). I just don't want to give her a powerful letter at this point.

What happened to this? I thought Hoopla was getting more and more town, and not scummy enough for a lynch. What did Hoopla do between that post and now that made her lynch-worthy?

Also, Amrun has posted plenty to get a read on her. I personally think she is town, so most of your whispersilk case is false.

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Hoopla is not on my wagon. Whispersilk's 3 null reads are on the people on my wagon besides Amrun, not Hoopla.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:50 am

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IceGuy wrote:
whispersilk wrote:
My plan was
based on using logic and deduction to catch scum
, and yet you still don't understand that despite what Hoopla said and my full explanation in the post you're referring to.


What plan? You never posted a plan.


OMFG.

/facepalm

No, I said null at best when referring to 3 people. That means at least one of them was a scum read.


That's a creative interpretation. Still a cop-out, though.

Also, the point is not how many other people did whatever you did. The point is that you did almost nothing but.

The fact that you suddenly discover I'm scummy based on a post from a few pages ago just when I start to attack you doesn't help your case, really.


A cop out? You're joking, right? You've just ignored every single question I asked you, while hanging on for dear life to your lame attacks, You've completely failed to even
read the posts of mine that you are attacking
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:51 am

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Arugula wrote:@Robocopter
I just forgot to unvote.
UNVOTE: Voidedmafia
Although it is strange that you are pointing that out and not Voided.
IceGuy wrote:
MagnaofIllusion wrote:
You need to rethink that stance. I don’t find Hoopla scummy.

Why is your vote idle if you find Hoopla objectionable?


Because I don't consider her scummy enough to want her lynched (especially as her towniness has been increasing with every subsequent post). I just don't want to give her a powerful letter at this point.

What happened to this? I thought Hoopla was getting more and more town, and not scummy enough for a lynch. What did Hoopla do between that post and now that made her lynch-worthy?

Also, Amrun has posted plenty to get a read on her. I personally think she is town, so most of your whispersilk case is false.

VOTE: IceGuy
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Hoopla is not on my wagon. Whispersilk's 3 null reads are on the people on my wagon besides Amrun, not Hoopla.


Thanks for bringing this up. I noticed it in his ISO, and forgot to put it in my wall.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:53 am

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Arugula wrote:
What happened to this? I thought Hoopla was getting more and more town, and not scummy enough for a lynch. What did Hoopla do between that post and now that made her lynch-worthy?


She kept pushing bad plans. #171.

Also, Amrun has posted plenty to get a read on her. I personally think she is town, so most of your whispersilk case is false.


Did you actually read her posts? Or did you just make something up out of thin air so you could vote me?

whispersilk wrote:
OMFG.

/facepalm


Link. Quote. Now.

A cop out? You're joking, right? You've just ignored every single question I asked you, while hanging on for dear life to your lame attacks, You've completely failed to even
read the posts of mine that you are attacking
.


Good to know you don't have anything to say against my case. Otherwise you would instead of resorting to this.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:09 am

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Did you actually read her posts? Or did you just make something up out of thin air so you could vote me?


Oh, the irony.

IceGuy wrote:
whispersilk wrote:
OMFG.

/facepalm


Link. Quote. Now.


I don't respond well to blatant rudeness, especially coming from someone who apparently ISO'd me for his case. Open your eyes and try reading for real this time. I'm not doing your leg work on a case against myself.

A cop out? You're joking, right? You've just ignored every single question I asked you, while hanging on for dear life to your lame attacks, You've completely failed to even
read the posts of mine that you are attacking
.


Good to know you don't have anything to say against my case. Otherwise you would instead of resorting to this.


Nothing to say against your case?

Where is the headbanging smilie?

I just spent an hour refuting every single aspect of your ridiculous case on me point by point. Are you fucking stoned?

Here is the link in case you missed it.

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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:16 am

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IceGuy wrote:
Arugula wrote:
What happened to this? I thought Hoopla was getting more and more town, and not scummy enough for a lynch. What did Hoopla do between that post and now that made her lynch-worthy?


She kept pushing bad plans. #171.

Also, Amrun has posted plenty to get a read on her. I personally think she is town, so most of your whispersilk case is false.


Did you actually read her posts? Or did you just make something up out of thin air so you could vote me?

Why is Hoopla's plan bad? Is that enough to lynch her?

And yes, I did read Amrun's posts. DID YOU SEE THE WHOLE ARGUMENT WE HAD? Obviously you didn't see it or you would have known that.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 am

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whispersilk wrote:
I don't respond well to blatant rudeness, especially coming from someone who apparently ISO'd me for his case. Open your eyes and try reading for real this time. I'm not doing your leg work on a case against myself.


If I would have seen a plan, I wouldn't have asked you. It's just not there.


Nothing to say against your case?

Where is the headbanging smilie?

I just spent an hour refuting every single aspect of your ridiculous case on me point by point. Are you fucking stoned?


That's not a "refutation".

whispersilk wrote:
That was in response to a question that MoI asked everyone. Did you expect me not to answer just because the answer should have been obvious?

[...}

Which part?

Again, it was in response to DCLXVI, because I wanted him to understand the flaw in his statement. What is scummy about that?

[...]

Did you call out the other 2 people that said the exact same thing on the very first page
after
I made my post for stating the obvious and being repetative?

Again, that was in response to someone, and not a random post made to keep up appearances.

[...]

The first part was in response to the person that voted for me. So how is it not beneficial for me to give my reasons? The second part was a response to a question put forth by the same person in the same post. How is pointing out a rule to someone who wanted to limit people's choice of tile in a way that could greatly benefit scum a bad thing?


All that stuff is irrelevant. I wasn't criticizing for doing that, I was criticizing you not doing anything but that.

My post directed at LLD was in no way an attack and was hardly too long. I just stated my thoughts politely, and in fact I agreed with aspects of her reasoning while disagreeing with her methods. I also shared my thoughts on how she should have presented her plan differently, instead of trying to force people into following. Can you be a little less vague with your accusation and specify where I am "re-capping" everyone else's arguments with the quotes to prove it? Thanks.


Again: irrelevant. LLD's plan was already dead; no point in writing paragraphs about it.


My plan was
based on using logic and deduction to catch scum
, and yet you still don't understand that despite what Hoopla said and my full explanation in the post you're referring to.

No, I said null at best when referring to 3 people. That means at least one of them was a scum read.


Responded above.


What part of Hoopla's post do you not understand? She was obviously referring to my plan and not every single post I had made up till that point, and she was the one that called it "logic puzzling", not me.


Irrelevant. Not my point.


Really? I think I've refuted the latter part of your post. I put forth my own plan for debate and didn't get much response. I've stated that I have a town read on Amrun, and null-scum reads on the other 3 on Arugulas wagon. When I have firm reads on everyone else, I'll post them. Where are your reads on everyone?


See above.


I don't want to follow any plan, because it's too late to do so for any of them. Who is "following" your plan? It seems to me that most people are doing whatever they want, if they haven't semi-followed another plan already and messed up any chance of following yours successfully. I'm not getting involved in useless debates about plans that cannot work at this point.


Again, a cop-out. I ask you for the plan you posted, you reply with fluff.

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Arugula wrote:
Why is Hoopla's plan bad? Is that enough to lynch her?


Because she missed that:

IceGuy wrote:
Hoopla wrote:
I know Magna's exact hand now because of him floating his interest and I think I know yours now as well. Any half intelligent scum are capable of putting the pieces together.


And any half intelligent town is capable of choosing his choices so even more-than-half intelligent scum can't reconstruct the hand.


And yes,
repeatedly
pushing bad plans, especially when you should know better, is a scumtell.

And yes, I did read Amrun's posts. DID YOU SEE THE WHOLE ARGUMENT WE HAD? Obviously you didn't see it or you would have known that.


I also read them. It's just that I don't read them as town, and nobody can sincerely say they read it as town. If you have a townread on her it's because she's a safe townread for town because always appears town in the beginning.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:25 am

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I disagree with Hoopla's plan being bad, but I won't pressure you on that anymore.

But your Amrun nonsense is crap. So you are saying that I shouldn't have a townread on her BECAUSE SHE APPEARS TOWN?
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:27 am

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Arugula wrote:I disagree with Hoopla's plan being bad, but I won't pressure you on that anymore.


lol

But your Amrun nonsense is crap. So you are saying that I shouldn't have a townread on her BECAUSE SHE APPEARS TOWN?


No, I'm saying that an unjustified Amrun townread early in the game is always a safe bet for scum.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:36 am

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Why the fuck am I being prodded?

Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:36 am

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Yeah right. That is a damned if you do, damned if you don't statement.

If you read her as scum, she appears town and you are wrong.

If you read her as town, you are scum because she is a safe townread.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:38 am

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Arugula wrote:Yeah right. That is a damned if you do, damned if you don't statement.

If you read her as scum, she appears town and you are wrong.

If you read her as town, you are scum because she is a safe townread.


No, it's a "when you pull a read out of thin air and it shows you're scummy" statement.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:43 am

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IceGuy wrote:If I would have seen a plan, I wouldn't have asked you. It's just not there.


Weird that Hoopla saw it tho, huh?

IceGuy wrote:

All that stuff is irrelevant. I wasn't criticizing for doing that, I was criticizing you not doing anything but that.

Again: irrelevant. LLD's plan was already dead; no point in writing paragraphs about it.

Irrelevant. Not my point.

See above.


I don't want to follow any plan, because it's too late to do so for any of them. Who is "following" your plan? It seems to me that most people are doing whatever they want, if they haven't semi-followed another plan already and messed up any chance of following yours successfully. I'm not getting involved in useless debates about plans that cannot work at this point.


Again, a cop-out. I ask you for the plan you posted, you reply with fluff.


You didn't even know I had a 'effing plan until I wrote my rebuttal. Why? BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T BOTHER TO READ MY POSTS. This coming from someone using my posts against me is laughable.

Accusing me multiple times of various things to make me look bad, then shrugging those accusations off like they meant nothing after I've rebutted every single one is a joke.

Your main reason for voting for me was that my 6 posts at the very beginning of the game were generalities and repetitive. Now you're claiming it's because that is all I posted. That simply doesn't stand up when taken in context. Tell me, how long had the game been running, and how many posts had you made at the point you first criticised me?
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:48 am

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Just link your plan already if you claim to have one.

Other than that, you don't seem to be reading my posts.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:54 am

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YOU ISO'd me. You claim that all I posted was fluff and whatever. You're the one using my posts against me. You're the one refusing to answer my rebuttal against you. Why don't you read my posts again?

I can't decide if you're scum or just the VI.

btw, MoI read my plan too. I know this cuz he voted me for it. :(
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:57 am

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jesus fucking christ.

Why aren't we lynching Hoopla again?
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:57 am

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whispersilk wrote:YOU ISO'd me. You claim that all I posted was fluff and whatever. You're the one using my posts against me. You're the one refusing to answer my rebuttal against you. Why don't you read my posts again?

I can't decide if you're scum or just the VI.

btw, MoI read my plan too. I know this cuz he voted me for it. :(


This is the third post you've made without linking me your claimed plan. How long do you want to play this game?
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:05 pm

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IceGuy wrote:
Arugula wrote:Yeah right. That is a damned if you do, damned if you don't statement.

If you read her as scum, she appears town and you are wrong.

If you read her as town, you are scum because she is a safe townread.


No, it's a "when you pull a read out of thin air and it shows you're scummy" statement.

I didn't pull it out of thin air. AMRUN IS ACTING TOWN AND THEREFORE I THINK SHE IS TOWN.

What don't you understand about that?
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:16 pm

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Arugula wrote:
I didn't pull it out of thin air. AMRUN IS ACTING TOWN AND THEREFORE I THINK SHE IS TOWN.

What don't you understand about that?


Okay, how does she act town? Tell me.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:38 pm

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She is rightfully asking me good questions and although I hate to admit it, she makes very good points. Her posts are well thought out and she has given off many town vibes.

It is hard arguing with someone who you think is town, which is why I have no trouble arguing with you.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:40 pm

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Arugula wrote:She is rightfully asking me good questions and although I hate to admit it, she makes very good points. Her posts are well thought out and she has given off many town vibes.


Fluff.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:58 pm

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IceGuy wrote:Fluff.

QFT

I'm perfectly fine with my vote staying on arugula.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:11 pm

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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:jesus fucking christ.

Why aren't we lynching Hoopla again?


Just stop. Nothing to be angry about. Just stop. You are too intelligent to be using anger, anger will not solve your problems. Anger will not find scum.

Your post could've been way better had you deleted the first sentence.

Arugula wrote:She is rightfully asking me good questions and although I hate to admit it, she makes very good points. Her posts are well thought out and she has given off many town vibes.

It is hard arguing with someone who you think is town, which is why I have no trouble arguing with you.


Look. Do me a favor.

There is this thing. Its called text evidence. Find some, quote it, and then explain how it supports your town read.

Why do you just argue with him over the legitimacy of your read when you can just prove your read is legitimate? So go do that.

Also, your excuse for having a continued vote on Voided was pretty lame.

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IceGuy wrote:Fluff.

QFT

I'm perfectly fine with my vote staying on arugula.


This post is hypocritical. You come back here, and instead of adding or contributing to the conversation at hand, you say the obvious. This is the definition of fluff.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:19 pm

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Robocopter87 wrote:This post is hypocritical. You come back here, and instead of adding or contributing to the conversation at hand, you say the obvious. This is the definition of fluff.


I re-affirmed that I find arugula scummy. That isn't fluff.

Low content certainly, but fluff...no.
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