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[inte]

point to me a game where you had a solid scum read on an empty slot

go ahead

[Tammy]

Why is SB town?

Post 1021 explains how I arrived at a weak Town read on SB.

Wasn't looking for your read on SB but Rainbowdash's.

@MOD - I'm voting for Scott Brosius

I'm starting to feel a little ignored because you keep missing my votes. Just saying.

[Yates]

Stop trying to make the empty slot argument when your slot wasn't empty. It just looks desperate. Also, I have gone ahead and bolded the relevant points in posts I have already made regarding your slot.

@ Inte - sorry, dude, but you are in a tough spot.

Both previous slot holders were scummy

.

@Inte -

it wasn't an "empty" slot

until Split asked for replacement. Before that,

they were both active [to the mean, anyway]. Your slot currently has more posts than TML [for example], who is one of my obvTown reads

. It would take a complete knucklehead or scum slip to change my read on that slot.

It would pretty much take Han Solo and a not-guilty result to make your slot NOT scummy

.

PE: yeah, I realized after posting. Sorry if my post undermined some strategery on your part.

[inte]

when i mean empty i mean lurk to the point of not playing

pizza+spit = 23 posts (remember this is two players)

TML = 31 posts

me = 20 posts on my own, but i spam a lot

so about reading a lurker slot...

[HezLucky]

INTE WHY YOU NO VOTE PEREV WITH ME?

TUNNEL MODE ACTIVATED

PEWPEWPEW

(Am I wrong? Then knock some sense into me)

[vijay2vasandani]

Is it just me, or is it weird that inte is using "you can't accurately read a lurker slot" as a defence? Moar votes please.

[Rainbowdash]

Done with a skim. Im going to be voting Hez or Peregrine today almost for sure. I have no idea what Yates is yammering about with Peregrine being town here from 1021 or whatever he told me to look at. The post I read looked like some funky logic that is going to be right just about at EV expectancy.

v2v is still almost for sure town, but thats about all im at town read wise.

Biggest confusion to me is rat death, because I would have been trying to get him dead today if scum didnt kill him at night. It almost seems like a scum misread or something, and Peregrine coming in and saying it was the obvious kill is a "what?" moment to me. I figured it would be somepony like Tammy if she is town (which im not too sure of) if scum were at a loss just because most tend to interpret try hard as town.

SB I really wish I was in from a long time ago since if im playing WITH him I can read him pretty well as he falls into the camp of playstyle shift when scum group or whatever you want to call it. Either way its one of those thats very hard to read out of context but much easier if you have the real time experience. I did kinda like his stance towards the prob-town v2v though.

I could see something like Hez+SB/Tammy though at this point, and it would make a good deal of sense given how the game has gone.

Looking at rat iso though, I think its a couple of additional points to v2v town outside of scum being ultra-sold on him being a threatening PR. Maybe a couple scum points to Tammy even. Its one of those things that just is SO off of what I expected to see, there has to be something more to it.

Going to look over more stuff, but im feeling like im just slowly convincing myself that Hez is the right vote here.

[Tammy]

Oh I don't know...if you want to give me scum points, you should lynch me probably. You could look at my most recent scum game and see how badly I sucked and compare it to here and know you should lynch me. You know get it over with. IDGAF

[inte]

Oh I don't know...if you want to give me scum points, you should lynch me probably. You could look at my most recent scum game and see how badly I sucked and compare it to here and know you should lynch me. You know get it over with. IDGAF

is this a scum claim???

[Tammy]

Of course it's a scum claim inte...because I'm that fucking stupid. OR just a bit pissed off at the moment. Like what the fuck is a scum claim about it. Rainbowpony whateverhteuck's reads scuk ass, and I'm not in the mood to dealt with them athtemoment.

[Rainbowdash]

Oh I don't know...if you want to give me scum points, you should lynch me probably. You could look at my most recent scum game and see how badly I sucked and compare it to here and know you should lynch me. You know get it over with. IDGAF

See... if I wanted to lynch you I would be trying to do so and probably calling you my top scum read instead of doing what I am doing and such. I know you are fully capable of wallposting as scum or town, and im not going to go through and try and develop a meta in a very poor way to discern a read on you at this point in the game (or probably even since non-real time meta sucks).

You seem quite certain that SB is scum though, and since most of my tells on him come from a real time setting that are going to be quite difficult to apply to something that has occured in the past, im happy hearing you out if you want to make a nice concise case. I dont want a wallpost, just a few sentances describing something, maybe a quote or two to back it up, and outlining a couple of mane points that way.

I am assuming you think both Hez and PV are town though or are you fighting me over that point as well. If you are going to trash my reads, you are at least going to have to try and say what ones are wrong if you want me to even give dissent a second glance. If you are going to be civil about it, im a pretty reasonable pony. Try me.

[Tammy]

Eh? Does somepony know me? Why would you bring up that I can wall post as scum or town? You mentioned me being a potential nightkill if town as if that means anything. Apparently nopony knows anything about me or somepony wouldn't have used that rhetoric against me. Mafiapony's leave me alive all the time so that paranoiapony's get to go ZOMYGODSTAMMYSALIVEMUSTBESCUMPONYS, and it gets really irritating to deal with.

And it's more that I don't want to give you a wall pony but go YOUR READS SUCK if you're putting me anywhere near scumpoint list. You've unfortunatley hit a mafia weakness for me in which I can't take pony's reads seriously when they misread me so terribly...sad but it's true *tearing up a bit really*

But wow you are full of a misrepping pony aren't you? Are you always like this or is it just for this game? Have you read the ponythread?

I'm trashing your read on me because it's not fit for anypony but I'm pretty reasonable on every other pony so I don't know where you're getting your other crap from.

[inte]

me-ow

[HezLucky]

I liked TML better.

More PereV votes plz.

[vijay2vasandani]

Why is Tammy mad? RD is a reasonable player from memory, I don't get it. Like the horse puns get annoying at times, but Tammy's reaction was OTT.

And Tammy, if you cant take being misread, don't play mafia. It's the bloody point of the game. Scum try to get people to misread other people and lynch town and save scum. Duh.

[Yates]

Done with a skim. Im going to be voting Hez or Peregrine today almost for sure. I have no idea what Yates is yammering about with Peregrine being town here from 1021 or whatever he told me to look at.

I think maybe you should go back and

read

rather than skim, then. 1021 refers to the "trap" I set starting in 1006. Fortunately for you:

It would take a complete knucklehead or scum slip to change my read on that [TML/RBD's] slot.

Is it just me, or is it weird that inte is using "you can't accurately read a lurker slot" as a defence? Moar votes please.

This is an accurate assessment. Speaking of which...

Dear Tammy,

What happened to this "read?"

I legitimately read that slot as scum. Split came in and did absolutely nothing with it. Now I have very little experience with Split, and I do try to stay away from meta as much as possible, but my experience with Split, when he was innocent, was more active than what he gave us while he was here. So, I happen to believe that Split is a competent player, and as such am not worrying about a more competent player coming in and upsetting the balance. I thought Split was scummy. I read Pizza as scummy. I read the interactions between Ben and Pizza as scummy.

Now that Inte is here, does this mean that Pizza wasn't scummy? Does his entry mean Pizza and MoI's interactions weren't scummy? Does his entry mean that Split's scum tells no longer matter? THIS is the point I was trying to make earlier. The person currently in the slot should not make previous scum tells/reads no longer valid.

Follow up question: you had Pizza/Split as a 3, SB as a 2, and Pere as a 1.5. What is your new rating and what caused the move?

Actually, Pere, same question to you.

You had Hez as a 3

and SB, TML, Pizza/Split, and VJ all as 2's [following same logic and flow chart]. Any movers or shakers?

[inte]

Now that Inte is here, does this mean that Pizza wasn't scummy? Does his entry mean Pizza and MoI's interactions weren't scummy? Does his entry mean that Split's scum tells no longer matter? THIS is the point I was trying to make earlier. The person currently in the slot should not make previous scum tells/reads no longer valid.

Follow up question: you had Pizza/Split as a 3, SB as a 2, and Pere as a 1.5. What is your new rating and what caused the move?

Actually, Pere, same question to you.

You had Hez as a 3

and SB, TML, Pizza/Split, and VJ all as 2's [following same logic and flow chart]. Any movers or shakers?

i have almost as many posts as TWO of my predecessors, how the fuck can you honestly say that pizza was being scummy when you've played with him before?

hes just a player who doesn't even like to play mafia

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lect=16858

[Tammy]

Why is Tammy mad?

Was pissed off at GreyIce for something else when I came in here. I wasn't pissed off at the misread and didn't say I was. I need to read what his misread is all about, especially considering I was leaning scum on his predecessor.

I did get annoyed at the expectation of me dying as that is one sure way to annoy me. Also post 1110 was so full of suck and weirdness, like the wallposting as scum or town. WTF was that about? I didn't say anything about that.

IDK...I'll get back to this later.

Yates, I'll answer you later. I need a nap.

[Rainbowdash]

I did get annoyed at the expectation of me dying as that is one sure way to annoy me. Also post 1110 was so full of suck and weirdness, like the wallposting as scum or town. WTF was that about? I didn't say anything about that.

Yeah, you wallpost as either alignment so there is zero way, especially when entering a game right before deadline, that I am going to have any time to look up your "I am not that good as scum" meta (which from my chronic upkeep of looking at other games probably isnt that true to start) arguement.

I dont even have time to read all the walls in THIS game because everypony is so keen on posting them left and right, just have to more skim them except for the few that are obviously important.

I do want to hear why you think the SB slot is scum though, im interested in accounts from those who have been here the whole time since like I said a whole lot of my ability to read him comes from how he is playing in the hear and now instead of reading back on what he has done. There are a few mild town things I like out of him, but if you think im wrong im more than happy to listen to what you have to say about him.

[Rainbowdash]

eh... I can actually see something like Hez-SB working well here.

Vote Hez

I would be fully willing to listen to what anypony has to say on SB though at this point, just think Hez is the far better scum flip chance.

[Rainbowdash]

Apart from DMS being pretty bad throughout, the biggest reason that Hez is a good lynch (and excellent as partner with SB chance) is the way he has played the wagons of PV/Inite/SB for most of the game.

He comes in and bounces around these three pretty cleanly, that much is obvious that its his top three picks, but he ends up with PV/SB as his top two. He quickly makes it a contest between PV and Pizza (inite) though which makes me uncomfortable, especially as he holds PV and SB as around the same level of scuminess.

The inclusion of Pizza feels really off to me though, granted it does make PV-Pizza a really improbably pairing, the forcing of these two almost make it seem like trying to create a false dilemma where its going to be one or the other, but they are both town in the end. The complete lack of SB here, even when there is no good reason to eliminate him from any pairing like this, just makes me feel like its scum trying to stir stuff up instead of town trying to figure something out in the end.

All of his interactions regarding the SB slot feel a bit of out place, and if one of them flips scum, whether im here or not you are killing the other one the next day because its clearly the best pairing chance I see out there, and one of the major reasons im actually willing to listen to what yall have to say about SB even though I tend to think he is slightly town in this game. It just works that well and would give us that much more insight into a few alignments that are in question to me.

Can everypony just give me a bullet point (seriously, just short or im probably going to get upset and ignore you) case on why who they are voting is scum to help with catching up and getting better situated here?

[Scott Brosius]

Now that Inte is here, does this mean that Pizza wasn't scummy? Does his entry mean Pizza and MoI's interactions weren't scummy? Does his entry mean that Split's scum tells no longer matter? THIS is the point I was trying to make earlier. The person currently in the slot should not make previous scum tells/reads no longer valid.

Follow up question: you had Pizza/Split as a 3, SB as a 2, and Pere as a 1.5. What is your new rating and what caused the move?

Actually, Pere, same question to you.

You had Hez as a 3

and SB, TML, Pizza/Split, and VJ all as 2's [following same logic and flow chart]. Any movers or shakers?

i have almost as many posts as TWO of my predecessors, how the fuck can you honestly say that pizza was being scummy when you've played with him before?

hes just a player who doesn't even like to play mafia

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... lect=16858

For me your slot has the scummy read for split, pizza was completely idle and null.

[Yates]

...how the fuck can you honestly say that pizza was being scummy...?

Context. It's a thing.

Dear Tammy,

What happened to this "read?"

I legitimately read that slot as scum. Split came in and did absolutely nothing with it. Now I have very little experience with Split, and I do try to stay away from meta as much as possible, but my experience with Split, when he was innocent, was more active than what he gave us while he was here. So, I happen to believe that Split is a competent player, and as such am not worrying about a more competent player coming in and upsetting the balance. I thought Split was scummy.

I read Pizza as scummy. I read the interactions between Ben and Pizza as scummy.

Now that Inte is here, does this mean that Pizza wasn't scummy? Does his entry mean Pizza and MoI's interactions weren't scummy?

You are earning additional scum points on your very own with your misreps, misreads, and

obvious

attempts at confusing facts and quotes. Tell tale signs of flailing scum. I like my vote right where it is.

[Rainbowdash]

@Yates - Hez read. Go.

I would I guess possibly end up on inte simply because im not touching a wagon backed by Hez and SB at this point, but think lynching Hez is a far better way to go about things at this point since inte I have a hard time coming up with too many really good partners for unlike Hez and SB.

[HezLucky]

Rainbowdash is inventing shit.

Claims it is suspicious that I am asking for people's opinions between PV and inte despite PV/SB being my top two.

Yet PV/inte are the two that have by far the most support today.

about SB even though I tend to think he is slightly town in this game

Maybe I am wrong about SB then. Maybe he is scum.