Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[Potack-ruv]

I approve of it because it gets done what needs to be done. I wouldn't have hydrad with him if I thought he didn't know what he was doing.

[drmyshotgun]

Uh-huh. Even if you're banging on the wrong guy and apparently hating those who disagree?

[Potack-ruv]

Prove we've got the wrong guy. You can do that if you answer the questions. I know you're going to do that later, but until you do I know I'm not moving the vote.

[Potack-ruv]

I have yet to see you prove yourself to be the wrong guy.
I don't like it when people disagree with me. I like to be the leader. But I'm just suspecting you guys because you are scum. And unlike you I have provided valid reasons for my suspicions which haven't been refuted.
-Om

PEDIT: Hey, don't steal my sentence

[drmyshotgun]

I approve of it because it gets done what needs to be done. I wouldn't have hydrad with him if I thought he didn't know what he was doing.

What are you actually getting done here?
Cuz the only thing I see that is coming from you is stinging my tongue everytime I open my mouth.

So I'm guilty until proven innocent?
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[Soben]

Shotgun, I don't see what's confusing here; AcrV is happy with Oms questioning and pressure on you because he agrees with the scum-read, the entire point of the questioning and pressure is to solidify a scum-read on you or see something that'll make them re-think through it. The fact that you're not answering the questions and playing this whole sort of 'oh woe is me' and 'stop making me look bad' gives us nothing to re-consider or read you based on because it's just whining.

[Soben]

Also

Andrew

- In your next post I want you to point out what makes you think Shotgun is 100% town and explain it in some detail.

[Potack-ruv]

Look, if you want to call yourself town, then fucking act town. You are in no shape, size or form able to sit there and fail at refuting our attacks because you are "town." If you want to call yourself town, then don't fucking sit there and pussy out by not even bothering to respond to our questions. The key parts of being town are the ability to pressure, and to hold up under pressure. You have not demonstrated either of these key points. Do those things for me and maybe I'll actually listen to what you have to say. Because as far as I'm concerned, you are scum, and if you aren't then gog help us all.

Make a case on us. Demonstrate how every tiny thing we say could be scummy. Explain it in detail, and all the motivations that we would have for doing them if we were scum. Maybe then can anyone call your vote justified.
Defend against our case, respond to our questions. Refute our points. If you do these then maybe you could be town. But I have seen jack-shit of any of this from you so as far as I'm concerned you need to die right now. I will stop at absolutely nothing to get you lynched, unless a miracle happens and someone is able to convince me you are town.

Also AcRv says basically the same thing except nicer and with a "please."

[The Acting Method]

Shotgun, I don't know if I said this earlier, but refusing to give information and being defensive is a scumtell. Especially in a game like this where there is no role like Doctor or Cop that needs to be protected.

[absta101]

Sorry peoples. I'm just not comfortable playing with multiple hydras and bold edits together in one game.

@Mod:Replace me please. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Venmar]

Sorry peoples. I'm just not comfortable playing with multiple hydras and bold edits together in one game.

@Mod:Replace me please. Sorry for the inconvenience.

- Unfortunately i am in the same ballpark, plus i can't seem to get into this game for the life of me.

[Mortontfrh]

Searching for a replacement for Absta, Venmar, and Mcrawford.

[Mortontfrh]

Holding off on replacing Venmar until I clarify what he meant by that. Sorry, I really shouldn't mod before I get a chance to clear my head

[Venmar]

Yeah please replace me for the better of the game, i am sorry for all inconvenience guys.

[TeChNoWC]

Yeah please replace me for the better of the game, i am sorry for all inconvenience guys.

no bro!

[andrew94]

aw what the heck
how about om just stop bold editting crap and the 2 ppl can stay??

Also

Andrew

- In your next post I want you to point out what makes you think Shotgun is 100% town and explain it in some detail.

no i wont, its antitown to explain

[Soben]

no i wont, its antitown to explain

No it's not. If it's as strong as you and Panda are making out it'll lead towards the votes on him coming of and hopefully give me a strong town read on him as well as let me understand what you're thinking process is a little more. Not just that though but you doing it rather than RedPanda confirms you saw the same thing as him and not that you're just bullshit/buddying.

[drmyshotgun]

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[borkjerfkin]

EVEN IF he is disgruntled town backed into a corner, why is he not scumhunting?

This is a good point. Everything up until that, to me, is just him losing an argument to potato, which just really means that he's not that good of an arguer.

Also:

Yeah that's it, give him the answer then ask the question.

I think it's pretty obvious he answered the question badly already. What I want to know now is why he feels he can attack you for something that I now know he wasn't doing for reaction testing purposes. Shotgun's looking worse to me now, and this is probably town-scum interaction rather than bussing.

#232 reads to me as genuine. I still think you're too focused on the existence of a 'case' and winning an argument than actually finding scum a lot of the time, but that's a playstyle thing more than an alignment thing.

Unvote

As far as Venmar, I don't see a lot of glaring similarities to his play here and in either his Town or Scum games. He's being much more inquisitive and less judgmental here than in either of the two completed games I looked at. My scum read on him came entirely from #23 in which I felt he was intentionally misunderstanding a pretty easy to interpret statement from Redpanda.

I can't find any links to Om's scum games for meta purposes. Can anyone help me?

RE: the bold editing stuff: Om, the reason people hate it is it makes requoting a nightmare because after they hit the quote button it's impossible to tell what you originally pulled from a quote and what you replied to that quote with.

For now:
VOTE: Absta's replacement
Literally every comment from him has just been cantankerousness about hydras and formatting. I see scum more likely to 'take his ball and go home' like that than town.

[Soben]

Shotgun, still waiting for you to step back and re-read Potak while trying to ignore the fact that he's pushing on you specifically and rather focusing on the fact that his push and attempt to create pressure, reactions and content is a very strong town-tell.

Right now pretty much where I'm sitting is;

Town (S->W):

RedPanda, Potak, McStab, Bork.

Null:

TeCh, Chrimi, Andrew, Mcrawford, Shotgun, Absta.

Scum (S->W):

Venmar, TAM.

I don't know what Scumhunters thoughts on Bork is at the moment but other than that we've talked of and agreed on pretty much the rest of the reads, though he's somewhat paranoid about Potak but says it's mostly due to what he chalks up as a playstyle issue rather than thinking he's scum. Hoping Andrews elaboration on the Shotgun-tell will dwindle down the amount of null-reads because at the moment neither of my scum-reads are

that

strong and the sheer number of nulls alongside it makes me less able to PoE-strengthen them.

[RedPanda]

. look at it this way - do you ACTUALLY think scum would go and say "I was scum in this other game like I am now."?

that's why its called a slip.

Also

Andrew

- In your next post I want you to point out what makes you think Shotgun is 100% town and explain it in some detail.

Actually I'd like to know this also because most people don't have an eye out for the stuff I'm talking about.

[drmyshotgun]

Sigh, will I get the rope if I don't answer for Potack's countless questions?
I think people are using those questions to corner me around more.

[RedPanda]

For now:
VOTE: Absta's replacement
Literally every comment from him has just been cantankerousness about hydras and formatting. I see scum more likely to 'take his ball and go home' like that than town.

I totally agree.

I think both venmar and absta are scum replacing out.

But based on the way they replaced out I think Absta is more likely to be scum

Unvote vote Absta's replacement

[andrew94]

@Redpanda, our reasons are 100% different.

you should explain yours first

[RedPanda]

Also mod I'm going to V/LA from thursday to saturday. I'll probably be back by saturday