Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[AurorusVox]

No I can't because you're scum and this administration does not negotiate with terrorists.

Who do you THINK my scum reads are, bub?

[whispersilk]

No I can't because you're scum and this administration does not negotiate with terrorists.

Ok, you think I'm scum. I get it. How does refusing to give your reads on the two other players voting me benefit anyone, especially the rest of the town?

Your refusal to give reads on two players is far scummier than anything I've done or not done. You've also chosen not to answer two other questions in my post. What are your reasons for not telling me and everyone else exactly how your idea of popcorning the tiles will benefit the town? It's your idea, and not responding makes no sense.

Who do you THINK my scum reads are, bub?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking, and I'm asking about all your reads, not just scum ones. I can't see any reads in your ISO, just the two instances where you sheeped the Hoopla and Arugula wagons, before starting mine, and yes, you've called me scum. If I've missed them, then I apologise and I ask that you please point them out.

[IceGuy]

Let’s see –

Are you saying as scum you throw your vote around more?
How is you not being willing to actually commit to a vote easy for me to fake again?
Lack of being called scum for something prior to this game doesn’t mean it isn’t a valid observation.

No, I'm saying that your "tell" isn't actually a tell. Other than that, misrep.

The inherent “Iceguy knows MoI is Town” in this statement couldn’t be more clear. I’m not really worried about you ‘starting a wagon” but your implicit acknowledgement that you know I’m not scum makes me comfortable in voting you.

...what? The problem is that you appear as scum, always, in every game, because of your shitty reasoning, while you're actually just a shitty scumhunter.

For those not in the know - That 70s SmallTown was a game we played together where Town-Iceguy helped to lynch Town-Vengeful MoI because I called out his play as scummy. Vengeful Town MoI went on to Vengekill scum Day 1. So Iceguy is specifically trying to remind me to 'back off him' despite forgetting he shouldn't be sure I am Town here unless he is scum.

What MoI does not mention re: 70s: he called me out with his usual shitty reasoning after I called him for legitimate reasons. He got lynched, flipped town and vengekilled scum; I was also town. That's something like a misrep by omission, I believe.

VOTE: Iceguy

That was surprising.

No, not actually.

Here’s a direct link to Whisper’s plan which she correctly noted I called scummy when she originally posted it.

Wait...that was supposed to be a plan?

The post where everything was either copied from other players or nonsensical?

That you’ve made a centerpiece of your push on Whisper that said plan doesn’t exist despite multiple people telling you it did and the ease at which I found it via ISO shows you aren’t actually scum-hunting. And thus you need more votes.

Actually, that was not the centerpiece, just a small part. But good job misrepping me.

Link to where you show that a Town read on Amrun is unjustified. I’ll be waiting …

#87, #193, #204, #207, #209, #219, #221, #234.

[whispersilk]

Hey IceGuy, all these accusations you've slung at me, you should have no problem backing them up with evidence.

So, please show me and the rest of the town where I copied from other players, with regards to my comments to LLD and with regards to my plan.

You've basically refused to answer or ignored every question I've asked you while defending myself. The least you can do is back up your claims.

[vijay2vasandani]

Um okay. So sue me if I'm good at maths. Personally, I think of scumhunting as a sliding number scale, but w/e. You have your ways, I have mine.

Anyway, could we have the results of the collects? I want to see what's left.

[IceGuy]

Let's see:

While I agree with some of your reasoning, I don't agree with your methods. If there is going to be a set of guidelines that we all follow, then everyone has to be in agreement before we move forward. You can't just demand that everyone follow your rules without clearly outlining what everyone has to do going into night 1, and what your plan is ultimately going to achieve, and even then, we all should have a chance to talk it out, fix any flaws before people start flipping tiles.

Obvious and irrelevant stuff, i.e. fluff.

The fact that you suggested a plan is not bad, the plan itself is poorly thought out and I don't see how it's going to help the town. If structuring a plan for the tiles is the way to go (and I think it is), there could be a better way of doing so.

#34, #35, #39, #42, #43, #45, #48, #49, #53 all criticize LLD. Actually, most of the posts in-between are from LLD herself. You could just have gone the route I did, saying "I agree with whomever regarding LLD's plan". You know, the towny thing to do.

Before

anyone else flips/takes a tile, I'd like to hear thoughts on a potential tile massclaim and then following the tiles being flipped, we all decide who ends up with which roles, thus locking as many players as possible into a position where they cannot make a fake claim the next day. This would mean scum would be taking a huge risk if they lied about which tiles they already have. We could set it up the roles to either back up other peoples claims, or expose them as scum. Yes, this leaves scum open to knowing who has which role, but barring other abilities, they can still only kill one player at night, which they would be doing anyway. It seems to me that control is the name of the game, and the more control and knowledge the town have from the start, the more chance we have of making the best use of the available abilities, and limiting scum.

I had already expounded my plan for town-controlled letter taking in #53.

The difference between my plan and your plan is the "fullclaim" part, which is impossible to verify because contrary to what you said, most powers aren't confirmable.

[whispersilk]

Let's see:

While I agree with some of your reasoning, I don't agree with your methods. If there is going to be a set of guidelines that we all follow, then everyone has to be in agreement before we move forward. You can't just demand that everyone follow your rules without clearly outlining what everyone has to do going into night 1, and what your plan is ultimately going to achieve, and even then, we all should have a chance to talk it out, fix any flaws before people start flipping tiles.

Obvious and irrelevant stuff, i.e. fluff.

I disagree. I have some experience of presenting plans to a town, and convincing them to follow it. My comments were meant to be helpful and show LLD where she went wrong in that regard, and as far as I can see, no one else had said anything similar. There is no way you can justify calling my comments fluff.

The fact that you suggested a plan is not bad, the plan itself is poorly thought out and I don't see how it's going to help the town. If structuring a plan for the tiles is the way to go (and I think it is), there could be a better way of doing so.

#34, #35, #39, #42, #43, #45, #48, #49, #53 all criticize LLD. Actually, most of the posts in-between are from LLD herself. You could just have gone the route I did, saying "I agree with whomever regarding LLD's plan". You know, the towny thing to do.

I didn't repeat anything said in any of those posts (apart from saying it was poorly thought out which was vaguely similar to something MoI said). And I didn't go the route you did, because I didn't agree with everything that everyone else was slinging at her, in fact, I said that I agreed with some of her reasoning, and the rest of what I said was criticising the way she presented her plan and pushed it on the town. The latter part of it was an introduction into presenting my own plan. So show me exactly which parts of what I said had already been said.

Before

anyone else flips/takes a tile, I'd like to hear thoughts on a potential tile massclaim and then following the tiles being flipped, we all decide who ends up with which roles, thus locking as many players as possible into a position where they cannot make a fake claim the next day. This would mean scum would be taking a huge risk if they lied about which tiles they already have. We could set it up the roles to either back up other peoples claims, or expose them as scum. Yes, this leaves scum open to knowing who has which role, but barring other abilities, they can still only kill one player at night, which they would be doing anyway. It seems to me that control is the name of the game, and the more control and knowledge the town have from the start, the more chance we have of making the best use of the available abilities, and limiting scum.

I had already expounded my plan for town-controlled letter taking in #53.

The difference between my plan and your plan is the "fullclaim" part, which is impossible to verify because contrary to what you said, most powers aren't confirmable.

My plan in no way resembles yours, and to suggest otherwise now when no one, including yourself, accused me of copying it at the time the way everyone jumped on Arugula (who actually did), is ridiculous and scummy.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Oh look Iceguy is going to the Wiki Buzzword well with calling everything he doesn’t agree with a mis-rep.

...what? The problem is that you appear as scum, always, in every game, because of your shitty reasoning, while you're actually just a shitty scumhunter.

Lulz. I’ll just let this sink in …

I’m just a shitty scum-hunter. I’ll just mention for the record that in the game in question you keep spouting off about I got 1 scum dead (via a well aimed Vengekill) while you succeeded in getting zero killed. This is just scummy undermining on your part.

Wait...that was supposed to be a plan?

The post where everything was either copied from other players or nonsensical?

Are you seriously selling that you didn’t recognize Whisper suggesting we Mass-claim all letters now (which for the record was the first mention of that concept so your ‘copied form other players’ attack is again invalid and scummy) and carefully control distribution of letters as a plan?

#87, #193, #204, #207, #209, #219, #221, #234.

I don’t see a single reason in any of those posts supporting why someone shouldn’t have a Amrun Town read. The closest is your “She’s not active, so Null” in Post 87 which is pretty bad since she has actual content posts to judge.

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Anyway, could we have the results of the collects? I want to see what's left.

ISO the Mod. The latest Vote Count will have a summary of what has occurred and a picture of the board as it exists hidden behind spoilers.

[vijay2vasandani]

Hmm I thought people still got pieces after VM did.

Collect: K1

[whispersilk]

@vijay2vasandani:

I see your vote has been on Hoop since your first post in the game. I'd really appreciate your thoughts on exactly what makes her scum, especially why you favour her over the other 3 leading wagons, my own included. And any other reads you have would be awesome too. Thanks.

[Hoopla]

I have vijay mentally crushed. He can't trust me these days.

I'm more concerned about why LLD thinks I'm scum.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Hoopla

- so besides your lurker vote who is scumz?

[Voidedmafia]

Hmm I thought people still got pieces after VM did.

Collect: K1

Nope, no one collected after me.

Nice that IceGuy continues to dig himself deeper the more he tries to argue with MoI and Whisper.

Hoopla: Not a bad concern, that. I'm personally wondering where LLD is, period.

[whispersilk]

@Voidedmafia:

What kind of reads do you have on AurorusVox and DCLXVI?

[Amrun]

IceGuy, if you don't have a scumread in me, why you are SO CONCERNED with shooting down Arugula's town read of me? Why should it matter to you? Why spend so much of your time arguing with him about it when you supposedly have no opinion of it? That makes NO SENSE.

VOTE: IceGuy

[IceGuy]

IceGuy, if you don't have a scumread in me, why you are SO CONCERNED with shooting down Arugula's town read of me? Why should it matter to you? Why spend so much of your time arguing with him about it when you supposedly have no opinion of it? That makes NO SENSE.

VOTE: IceGuy

Did you actually read what I wrote?

And yes, I did read Amrun's posts. DID YOU SEE THE WHOLE ARGUMENT WE HAD? Obviously you didn't see it or you would have known that.

I also read them. It's just that I don't read them as town, and nobody can sincerely say they read it as town. If you have a townread on her it's because she's a safe townread for town because always appears town in the beginning.

[whispersilk]

Collect: D2

[Amrun]

Yes, I read it, and it's bullshit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Magna, if I didn't answer that question before, what makes you think I'll answer it now? Why should I answer that? It would detract from my statement no matter what I answer/my intent was.

Make your own damn conclusion. You know how I play, you should be able to figure it out.

[2minds1soul]

collect: H4

post incoming

[2minds1soul]

Confirm vote on whisper

We beilive we have found the scum team of Argula, Whisper, and Vijay. Just hear us out.

Spoiler: Argula

VOTE: DCLXVI
for not remembering that he played with me before.

Also, I think it would be wise for town to pick without flipping. If they are flipped first, it might seem obvious that someone gained a PR based on the tiles they collected, and scum would probably kill them.

I don't like IceGuy's wishy-washy stance on Hoopla, but his original plan was good, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think all of the ladies in this game are town. (Hoopla, LDD, Amrun)

Also, I have a new plan. There might be a major flaw in this, but I haven't found one besides scum getting town letters, which won't help scum, just hinder town slightly.

Everyone flips before anyone takes. Then, players say what they are going to pick before they do so and we organize who will pick what tile. If someone picks a scummy letter, [S, N, J, etc] (which nobody will since it would virtually be suicide) then we know they are scum. Since no one would pick these letters, we keep powers like Ninja and Strongman from scum's hands. Also, no one should pick an unflipped letter, as that is the only way that scum would get their hands on these powers. Scummy players will get the bad tiles.

I'm preparing to be ripped apart for this, but oh well.

Makes 2 intial plans. The first one is bad, and the second one seems like he doubts his own plan ("I'm prepared to be ripped apart for this, but oh well.")
Doesn't even reference the first plan even though it was discussed in thread

But as scum, why would I try to pass it off as my own instead of just saying "IceGuy's plan is the best" or something like that?

When I posted my first plan, I didn't fully understand how the game worked, and I admit it is anti-town now. The reason for that little "qualifier" was genuinely that I was almost afraid of posting another plan because the last one was ripped apart and not good at all. I wasn't trying to put down the plan, I was just ready for backlash because of the backlash from the other one. I genuinely thought and

still think my plan is pro-town

.

First part: Because then it would make you look town as oppossed to agreeing to a plan without putting input on it
Second part: Don't know if appealing to emotions or if its genuine. The bolded sounds like you are talking about the first plan (which you admitted it was anti-town). Could you clarify? (Though we think we know what the answer will be)

Spoiler: Whisper

Before

anyone else flips/takes a tile, I'd like to hear thoughts on a potential tile massclaim and then following the tiles being flipped, we all decide who ends up with which roles, thus locking as many players as possible into a position where they cannot make a fake claim the next day. This would mean scum would be taking a huge risk if they lied about which tiles they already have. We could set it up the roles to either back up other peoples claims, or expose them as scum. Yes, this leaves scum open to knowing who has which role, but barring other abilities, they can still only kill one player at night, which they would be doing anyway. It seems to me that control is the name of the game, and the more control and knowledge the town have from the start, the more chance we have of making the best use of the available abilities, and limiting scum.

Already been mentioned, but needs to mentioned again. The massclaim idea is a bad idea this early in the game. Even later in the game, mass claiming would be bad since the letters left over would be so few that any combinations will likely be easy to figure out, just by the letter being taken. Also, scum wouldn't be able to lie since its a vanilla based set-up and by going back and searching for what tiles they have collected, it would be easy to figure out which roles they could have had.

The point is scum will see what town has. Townpoints for not realising this though.

Of course I realised that. Who wouldn't?

Looking for confirmation of town-cred

The whole debate with IceGuy seems justified, and if it weren't for the team tells we found, we might think whisper was town.

Spoiler: Vijay

VOTE: Hoopla

AV makes a good point.

Again, already mentioned. The vote on Hoopla is 100% sheeping on AV's case. Not even a recap of what it was

Well I guess to judge who is towniest and who is scummiest, why don't we do a ranking from 1-13 each and then add them up. The person with the lowest number is towniest and the highest is scummiest. While this gives scum around 23% of the decision, they still have to back it up so I think that shouldn't be an issue.

...mentioned already, but agree with it. Gives a road map to scum and all the conf town people gone by the time endgame rolls around

I want to take a letter..

I want a C

And my idea for picking the letters is we all flip, and do a draft pick. The order is determined by a ranking made by each person of all the other players not including themselves. This is then assigned a numerical value (1-9 from towniest to scummiest or whatever it is), and the towniest player with the lowest number picks first, and so on, until all pro-town and null letters are gone. Leave the scummy ones alone on the board.

States he wants a letter (but not which one). Then gives the idea for picking letters, same thing. Gives scum a road map on who to kill and gets rid of conftown and the possiblities of good roles for town

I agree with Hoopla. A draft pick where the players get to choose what they do. Another flaw in the old plan of giving ubertowns Cs and other good letters is that NKs hit us doubly hard, taking away power and strong town.

Agrees with Hoopla, doesn't change vote or even mention the vote.

As to actual scumhunting, I think I'm voting for Hoopla but I'm not sure. Reread time.

Unrelated: Hoopla, are you very smart? You sound like it.

Doesn't remember that he voted Hoopla. This indicates that he was just looking for a wagon to hop onto and not really agreeing to the points, he would have remembered his vote otherwise

Okay, just reading through.

@ MoI: everytime I play you think I'm playing like I did in MST3K. I guess you're warranted to be wary if you think that is the case. Regarding Hoopla, just because they're smart or make good points doesn't make them town. What was your issue with my draft pick plan?

Personally I don't like the take whatever letter thing. Like, I'd rather have an order in which we go, and when it's your turn you can go with whatever letter.

Regarding Arugula, he's just always like this. A bit clueless and stuff. Him coming up with a plan already made is something I'd expect. null. This also applies to his recent play.

Still good on my Hoopla vote atm.

Still no more explanation as to why he is voting Hoopla

Spoiler: Whisper, Argula, Vijay as a team

The main thing we noticed that made us believe this is the scum team is the interaction. There is almost no interaction between them at all. One thing odd about it is that argula has mentioned almost every other person, except vijay and whisper. The first time a cross mention is made is...

^ casual.

what's the case on Arugula again?

made by vijay. Asking for the case on argula. And look who obliges...

I think the case on Arugula is based on the fact he posted a plan that was similar, but not identical, to one already proposed (apparently for town cred), while expecting to get criticised, and his subsequent reactions to the comments that followed. I think the more he tries to defend himself, the worse he makes himself look. I'm not buying it, mainly because I think his actions are a null tell, and apart from Amrun, who I have a town read on, the other 3 on his wagon are null reads for me at best.

whisper. Whisper paraphrases the case then disregards it saying she has a null read on argula.

So those were post 163 and 164. The next cross mention doesn't happen till 201, with argula stating that iceguy's case was false
then post 203 with whisper thanking argula for the extra ammo for the iceguy case.
~Note: iceguy wagon was started by whisper, then joined by argula~

Regarding Arugula, he's just always like this. A bit clueless and stuff. Him coming up with a plan already made is something I'd expect. null. This also applies to his recent play.

Next cross mention. Vijay saying argula is a null read. Nothing more, nothing less.

The last cross mention thus far...

@vijay2vasandani:

I see your vote has been on Hoop since your first post in the game. I'd really appreciate your thoughts on exactly what makes her scum, especially why you favour her over the other 3 leading wagons, my own included. And any other reads you have would be awesome too. Thanks.

Asking vijay for a list of reads. That alone isn't note worthy but given the number of times they reference eachother, we find it significant to note.

[2minds1soul]

Confirm vote on whisper

We beilive we have found the scum team of Argula, Whisper, and Vijay. Just hear us out.

Spoiler: Argula

VOTE: DCLXVI
for not remembering that he played with me before.

Also, I think it would be wise for town to pick without flipping. If they are flipped first, it might seem obvious that someone gained a PR based on the tiles they collected, and scum would probably kill them.

I don't like IceGuy's wishy-washy stance on Hoopla, but his original plan was good, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think all of the ladies in this game are town. (Hoopla, LDD, Amrun)

Also, I have a new plan. There might be a major flaw in this, but I haven't found one besides scum getting town letters, which won't help scum, just hinder town slightly.

Everyone flips before anyone takes. Then, players say what they are going to pick before they do so and we organize who will pick what tile. If someone picks a scummy letter, [S, N, J, etc] (which nobody will since it would virtually be suicide) then we know they are scum. Since no one would pick these letters, we keep powers like Ninja and Strongman from scum's hands. Also, no one should pick an unflipped letter, as that is the only way that scum would get their hands on these powers. Scummy players will get the bad tiles.

I'm preparing to be ripped apart for this, but oh well.

Makes 2 intial plans. The first one is bad, and the second one seems like he doubts his own plan ("I'm prepared to be ripped apart for this, but oh well.")
Doesn't even reference the first plan even though it was discussed in thread

But as scum, why would I try to pass it off as my own instead of just saying "IceGuy's plan is the best" or something like that?

When I posted my first plan, I didn't fully understand how the game worked, and I admit it is anti-town now. The reason for that little "qualifier" was genuinely that I was almost afraid of posting another plan because the last one was ripped apart and not good at all. I wasn't trying to put down the plan, I was just ready for backlash because of the backlash from the other one. I genuinely thought and

still think my plan is pro-town

.

First part: Because then it would make you look town as oppossed to agreeing to a plan without putting input on it
Second part: Don't know if appealing to emotions or if its genuine. The bolded sounds like you are talking about the first plan (which you admitted it was anti-town). Could you clarify? (Though we think we know what the answer will be)

Spoiler: Whisper

Before

anyone else flips/takes a tile, I'd like to hear thoughts on a potential tile massclaim and then following the tiles being flipped, we all decide who ends up with which roles, thus locking as many players as possible into a position where they cannot make a fake claim the next day. This would mean scum would be taking a huge risk if they lied about which tiles they already have. We could set it up the roles to either back up other peoples claims, or expose them as scum. Yes, this leaves scum open to knowing who has which role, but barring other abilities, they can still only kill one player at night, which they would be doing anyway. It seems to me that control is the name of the game, and the more control and knowledge the town have from the start, the more chance we have of making the best use of the available abilities, and limiting scum.

Already been mentioned, but needs to mentioned again. The massclaim idea is a bad idea this early in the game. Even later in the game, mass claiming would be bad since the letters left over would be so few that any combinations will likely be easy to figure out, just by the letter being taken. Also, scum wouldn't be able to lie since its a vanilla based set-up and by going back and searching for what tiles they have collected, it would be easy to figure out which roles they could have had.

The point is scum will see what town has. Townpoints for not realising this though.

Of course I realised that. Who wouldn't?

Looking for confirmation of town-cred

The whole debate with IceGuy seems justified, and if it weren't for the team tells we found, we might think whisper was town.

Spoiler: Vijay

VOTE: Hoopla

AV makes a good point.

Again, already mentioned. The vote on Hoopla is 100% sheeping on AV's case. Not even a recap of what it was

Well I guess to judge who is towniest and who is scummiest, why don't we do a ranking from 1-13 each and then add them up. The person with the lowest number is towniest and the highest is scummiest. While this gives scum around 23% of the decision, they still have to back it up so I think that shouldn't be an issue.

...mentioned already, but agree with it. Gives a road map to scum and all the conf town people gone by the time endgame rolls around

I want to take a letter..

I want a C

And my idea for picking the letters is we all flip, and do a draft pick. The order is determined by a ranking made by each person of all the other players not including themselves. This is then assigned a numerical value (1-9 from towniest to scummiest or whatever it is), and the towniest player with the lowest number picks first, and so on, until all pro-town and null letters are gone. Leave the scummy ones alone on the board.

States he wants a letter (but not which one). Then gives the idea for picking letters, same thing. Gives scum a road map on who to kill and gets rid of conftown and the possiblities of good roles for town

I agree with Hoopla. A draft pick where the players get to choose what they do. Another flaw in the old plan of giving ubertowns Cs and other good letters is that NKs hit us doubly hard, taking away power and strong town.

Agrees with Hoopla, doesn't change vote or even mention the vote.

As to actual scumhunting, I think I'm voting for Hoopla but I'm not sure. Reread time.

Unrelated: Hoopla, are you very smart? You sound like it.

Doesn't remember that he voted Hoopla. This indicates that he was just looking for a wagon to hop onto and not really agreeing to the points, he would have remembered his vote otherwise

Okay, just reading through.

@ MoI: everytime I play you think I'm playing like I did in MST3K. I guess you're warranted to be wary if you think that is the case. Regarding Hoopla, just because they're smart or make good points doesn't make them town. What was your issue with my draft pick plan?

Personally I don't like the take whatever letter thing. Like, I'd rather have an order in which we go, and when it's your turn you can go with whatever letter.

Regarding Arugula, he's just always like this. A bit clueless and stuff. Him coming up with a plan already made is something I'd expect. null. This also applies to his recent play.

Still good on my Hoopla vote atm.

Still no more explanation as to why he is voting Hoopla

Spoiler: Whisper, Argula, Vijay as a team

The main thing we noticed that made us believe this is the scum team is the interaction. There is almost no interaction between them at all. One thing odd about it is that argula has mentioned almost every other person, except vijay and whisper. The first time a cross mention is made is...

^ casual.

what's the case on Arugula again?

made by vijay. Asking for the case on argula. And look who obliges...

I think the case on Arugula is based on the fact he posted a plan that was similar, but not identical, to one already proposed (apparently for town cred), while expecting to get criticised, and his subsequent reactions to the comments that followed. I think the more he tries to defend himself, the worse he makes himself look. I'm not buying it, mainly because I think his actions are a null tell, and apart from Amrun, who I have a town read on, the other 3 on his wagon are null reads for me at best.

whisper. Whisper paraphrases the case then disregards it saying she has a null read on argula.

So those were post 163 and 164. The next cross mention doesn't happen till 201, with argula stating that iceguy's case was false
then post 203 with whisper thanking argula for the extra ammo for the iceguy case.
~Note: iceguy wagon was started by whisper, then joined by argula~

Regarding Arugula, he's just always like this. A bit clueless and stuff. Him coming up with a plan already made is something I'd expect. null. This also applies to his recent play.

Next cross mention. Vijay saying argula is a null read. Nothing more, nothing less.

The last cross mention thus far...

@vijay2vasandani:

I see your vote has been on Hoop since your first post in the game. I'd really appreciate your thoughts on exactly what makes her scum, especially why you favour her over the other 3 leading wagons, my own included. And any other reads you have would be awesome too. Thanks.

Asking vijay for a list of reads. That alone isn't note worthy but given the number of times they reference eachother, we find it significant to note.

[Robocopter87]

You make a nice case. Well, case that recaps on all the other cases but you linked them together. However, I would like to ask, if you think that out of those three that if it wasn't for those three, you would think Whisper is town. Why did you want Whisper to be the first one to go?

[Robocopter87]

Sorry about fail English. Its late.

[Quilford]

Game Board

Spoiler: vijay2vasandani's collect

vijay2vasandani collects tile K1...

Spoiler: whispersilk's collect

whispersilk collects tile D2...

Spoiler: 2minds1soul's collect

2minds1soul collects tile H4...

Spoiler: Final Board & Activity Log

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MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.

MagnaofIllusion has used both his daily flip and collect.
Hoopla has used both her daily flip and collect.
AurorusVox has used both his daily flip and collect.
IceGuy has used his daily flip.
Lady Lambdadelta has used both her daily flip and collect.
Arugula has used his daily flip.
2minds1soul have used both their daily flip and collect.
Robocopter87 has used both his daily flip and collect.
whispersilk has used both her daily flip and collect.
DCLXVI has used his daily flip.
vijay2vasandani has used both his daily flip and collect.
Amrun has used both her daily flip and collect.
Voidedmafia has used both his daily flip and collect.

Day 1

IceGuy

(5) whispersilk, Arugula, Voidedmafia, MagnaofIllusion, Amrun

whispersilk

(3) 2minds1soul, AurorusVox, IceGuy

Hoopla

(2) Lady Lambdadelta, vijay2vasandani

Arugula

(1) DCLXVI

2minds1soul

(1) Hoopla

vijay2vasandani

(1) Robocopter87

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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-07-08 11:20:06).

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.
Amrun has declared V/LA for over two weeks from Sat, Jun 23, 2012 12:57.44 pm (AEST).
2minds1soul has declared V/LA for a week from Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:48.04 am (AEST).