Mini 1348- Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga Mafia (Game Over)

[JohnnyFarrar]

*he being Matt. Wasn't sure if that was clear.

[Agent_Ireland]

Man. That's a solid case against me. I guess you have this thing locked up, Slandaar.

You forgot that I also "derailed" the Acosmist wagon. So it should be obvious now that Acosmist and Dicknose are my partners. Also, Thor has called me Town once so this could be a 4 person scum team.

I'm sure post 374 had nothing to do with the fact that those interactions were the only thing worth commenting on at the time. Also, can you show me some examples of scum calling someone "off their radar?" You must have numerous examples since this is a totally obvious scum tell.

Your bizarre misreps are about the only thing scummy going on in post 425. Oh, and your soft push on me. Come to think of it, I think maybe you were my 5th scum partner [that's right, Town, there are FIVE scum!]. This must be your distancing post since you are pushing me while voting for...??? Gee. I can't even remember. Oh, looks like you are still voting AI. Instead of me. How weird.

Does any of this look town to anyone?
VOTE: Yates

How about why does it look scummy to you?

I just don't like how overly sarcastic it is. This on top of the "I'm giving you enough rope to hang yourself" quote from him earlier. Slandaar had a lot of good points there.

[Bricktoes]

Scum is sarcastic?

[Benmage]

unvote vote slaandar

[Benmage]

Oh skimmed some new material, but havent had the time to fully read.

[Thor665]

@Johnny - that is awkward as hell to combine a quote from me with a question for me and Slandaar - it even took me reading it twice to even understand what you're asking.

A) Overall playstyle - specifically the aggressive making of a couple of town reads. It's strong enough town play that he's not worth lynching as a Day 1 "lulz, let's see if we hit right" wagon.

[Thor665]

unvote vote slaandar

Good posting.

[MattP]

Oh look I just got home and I'm exhausted so Im breaking my promise.

Tomorrow.

[Thor665]

You should vote Salandaar while we're waiting.

[pappums rat]

Votecount 1.12

snifit - 1 (PeregrineV)
MattP - 4 (Yates, JohnnyFarrar, snifit, iDanyboy)
dicknose - 1 (MattP)
Agent_Ireland - 1 (Slandaar)
iDanyboy - 2 (Acosmist, BK201)
Slandaar - 2 (Thor665, Benmage)
BK201 - 1 (dicknose)
Yates - 1 (Agent_Ireland)

Not voting - ()

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 5, 2012.

[BK201]

@Dicknose, I really dont feel like continuing this subject. I have not been meaning to change my reasons for voting danny if I actually have. Just trying to go into further detail, and I know self-meta isn't worth much but as scum I'd probably be more aware of what my first reason was, instead of breaking off into tangents. You're still misreping me a bit, how can you not see they are connected in his intentions?

Thor and Ben, can you restate you reasons for voting Slandaar?

[Bricktoes]

I've barely looked into your meta so far but the only difference I see between your scum play and your play here is how often you say lol. Similarities include relying on your personal experience and feeling that can't be readily denied and don't necessarily mean anything ("this reads forced," various interpretations of actions that are essentially guesses), lots of fluff posts (flavor talk, talking about previous games), attempts to link players for little to no reason ("Note Dicknose is defending Danny."), and soft pushing things so that either others pick up on it and think it's scummy or so you can switch around at will ("this has an undertone of bussing," "you're a master of subtle buddying"). I don't know if this is scum you or just you, but I'll look into your town meta in the next few days to see if it means anything.

[Bricktoes]

You've claimed both that you've just clarified the same thing three times and that you're just expanding on your previous points with other things that are connected (you also just admitted you've broken off into tangents). You can't show how he's using scum knowledge to choose a better wagon than otherwise. you can't show that he just said what he said to fake a reason and didn't actually find it a valid reason. You're full of dissonance about him being scummy for mainly considering existing wagon as you did. You're right that these would all be united by scum intentions, but you're just assuming that he's scum and explaining his actions as scum motivated. I'm not still misrepping you, I've never misrepped you. I would expect that you as town would actually have a point and stick with it instead of shifting your position to be convincing and claiming it's all the same thing.

[BK201]

Look all I do is look for the motivations of the player. Whatever seems more likely (scum or town motivation) behind actions is what I aim for. You're right about me saying lol a lot more as scum, but that was just one scum game. Are you saying I suck?

[BK201]

As you can see I only have 6 completed games, at least I'm not a super lurker or a player who openly bases everything on "gut".

[Yates]

I just don't like how overly sarcastic it is. This on top of the "I'm giving you enough rope to hang yourself" quote from him earlier. Slandaar had a lot of good points there.

You make me lol. If you honestly believe sarcasm is a scum trait, you are going to lynch a LOT of Townies in this game. Also, define a "lot" of good points. And, what were those "good" points?

Has anyone played with AI before? I can't tell if he's scum using Slandaar's "case" or just a VI. This is Slandaar's Town meta [pushing nonsense cases to see where they go and who bites] but I haven't played a game with Slandaar scum so.... yeah. That's where I'm giving Slandaar the slack in the rope.

[Slandaar]

Yates: in random mini normal where you were SK, did you think I was scum, or just didn't care?

also; BB.

[Yates]

Didn't care. You *looked* scummy so that's all I pursued.

[Slandaar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Yates

The scum motivation is so clear

[PeregrineV]

1. Your scum in Agent & MattP coincicdes with 2 of the largest wagons. It could be they are just so scummy that's it's oozing from there pores, but more often it just seems scumvienient.

2. You town is fairly obvtown, with the exception of Johnny.

3. You have exactly 3 scumreads. I expect this to be a 9:3 game, but the fact you have only 3 and exactly 3 scumreads also tripped the alarm.

Your first is a weird accusation. First off, it's factually wrong. Look at the votecount prior to my post.

1. Your scum in Agent & MattP coincicdes with 2 of the largest wagons.

Votecount 1.9
snifit - 3 (Thor665, dicknose, Agent_Ireland)
MattP - 2 (Yates, JohnnyFarrar)
dicknose - 1 (MattP)
JohnnyFarrar - 3 (PeregrineV, Benmage, BK201)
Agent_Ireland - 2 (Slandaar, iDanyboy)
iDanyboy - 1 (Acosmist)

Top 3 wagons. I naturally excluded yourself, unless it's possible you might have come in with a scumread on yourself. Assuming you didn't, the top 3 largest wagons are Johnny, MattP, and Agent_Ireland.

Second, your point seems to be based on the fact that town shouldn't agree on who is scummy.

Sure, they can. I was pointing out that in a recent game a scum player did so, and was called out on it by a town player. By itself I wouldn't put much into it. Taking it as one of three reasons, it gained more significance.

Third, the way you say "it could be they are just so scummy" implies you don't have an opinion on MattP or Agent? Care to remedy that?

Sure. I feel Matt is probably town, but Agent_Ireland is null considering he has 4 posts.

Your third point is silly.

Why is that? Is it just a huge coincidence that you have 3 scumreads and the standard setup for a game this size is 3 scum?

Do you really think I'm scummier than Matt?

That's what I'm checking into right now.

[Acosmist]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Yates

The scum motivation is so clear

Explain.

[Agent_Ireland]

Scum is sarcastic?

Good point. Anyone can be sarcastic.

I just don't like how overly sarcastic it is. This on top of the "I'm giving you enough rope to hang yourself" quote from him earlier. Slandaar had a lot of good points there.

You make me lol. If you honestly believe sarcasm is a scum trait, you are going to lynch a LOT of Townies in this game. Also, define a "lot" of good points. And, what were those "good" points?

Has anyone played with AI before? I can't tell if he's scum using Slandaar's "case" or just a VI. This is Slandaar's Town meta [pushing nonsense cases to see where they go and who bites] but I haven't played a game with Slandaar scum so.... yeah. That's where I'm giving Slandaar the slack in the rope.

your post 392 is the big one here. as slandaar said, what town person would say something like this ever?

[iDanyboy]

He gave you examples of town saying it...

[Thor665]

Thor and Ben, can you restate you reasons for voting Slandaar?

His move and reasons for the move onto the AI wagon combined with previous actions regarding his dicknose push and the way he responded to questioning thereof.

[Thor665]

Also: Beard.