Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[Pine]

Go look it up, I don't feel like educating you today.

Was also too lazy to look it up in rules set, apparently.

Death Miller is out, as it is out in ~99.5% of the games on this site. Stop discussing it, it's stupid.

Bite me, Jupiter's cock-monger.

*flee from righteous lightning*

[havingfitz]

Also if Shotgun's claim is legit. I'm slinging him in the ring with rope tied round his neck.

Aka it doesn't matter if his claim is legit or not.

fitz, do you think we should lynch shotgun?

Somewhat less than I did initially. For day 1 the combo of being onsite while not posting in here combined with being in 12 games at once is distasteful to me but on further consideration neither are indicative of alignment...especially the excess games. Still mulling over his claim.

Inte is too pushy for my liking(not to mention there's no need to call people fucktards for no reason).

VOTE: 1 inte
VOTE: 2 mafia noob

[Code_X]

2nd - Every single reason Code has given to try and lynch Shotty are horrible. First he attacks him for not posting when the game starts, than he wants to test the miller claim, but as fitz pointed out there is no point testing the claim day 1. If someone is so sure he is scum going into the night phase than hopefully we have a RB type role or maybe a watcher/tracker of some sort. but jesus let the man play the game without preconceived notions.

Attacking him at the start is fine. As I said previously do you expect to sit here and hold hands?

I also don't want to test the claim today. I just don't personally want to have to deal with a miller in an endgame scenario.

I have no problem with Shotgun living if he's being proactive and playing pro-town. At the minute I still think there's a good chance he's a lieing scumbag. I'm not giving a free pass at any rate.

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@Fitz - Why Mafia Noob?

[Apple Jack]

I like that vote on mafia n00b actually, if I had a 3rd vote I would be voting him also.

[mafia-n00b]

[quote="In post 128, Derpy Hooves"][/quote]

... you like the vote that is there without explanation and give no explanation of your own? OK.

[mafia-n00b]

Meh, you all know what I was trying to quote... I have no idea what happened there.

[PeregrineV]

@PeregrineV: That's a pretty bogus rationale for a Derpy vote. I don't take Derpy's excuse for voting me as serious. I will often come up with "reasons" to vote someone in RVS that are tangentially game-related (i.e., "you confirmed last!") but are not genuinely serious.

That's cool. One game link where you did it as town and one game link where you did it as scum, please.

[PeregrineV]

@shotgun- I see you whole hog beating on Code_X for voting you. What about your other 5 voters and their reasons?

[mafia-n00b]

@PeregrineV: That's a pretty bogus rationale for a Derpy vote. I don't take Derpy's excuse for voting me as serious. I will often come up with "reasons" to vote someone in RVS that are tangentially game-related (i.e., "you confirmed last!") but are not genuinely serious.

That's cool. One game link where you did it as town and one game link where you did it as scum, please.

Meh... the games I can think of were eaten by tigers. Other games are ongoing or I subbed in. Just trust me on it? Or not, it's not really that important if you believe me, as my take on you isn't contingent on that.

[mafia-n00b]

Let me clarify... I don't think "you suggested we change avatars" is any fundamentally different from "you have numbers in your name" or "I hate ponies" as an excuse during RVS. It's a null tell as far as I'm concerned. I don't see using it as a reason for a real vote, as you did, as town-motivated.

[PeregrineV]

Think internal/external reasons. I expect RVS votes to basically be external (names, ponies, etc), or even meta to the game (last to confirm, first to confirm). When internal (something to do with post content), I'm seeing less RVS and more calculation behind the vote.

[Apple Jack]

That's just it. What you expect is different than what anyone else expects. It looks like a lame reason which is why I suspect you followed whispers method and voted me with vote2 instead of vote1. Had you pushed me close to a lynch with that reason, I'm sure you would have been called out for it.

Bottom line, it's a null tell.

[PeregrineV]

That's just it. What you expect is different than what anyone else expects.

I hear this all the time in games and RL.

It looks like a lame reason which is why I suspect you followed whispers method and voted me with vote2 instead of vote1. Had you pushed me close to a lynch with that reason, I'm sure you would have been called out for it.

It's a day 1 reason, and a starting point. And yes, the votes were done that way on purpose:

And yes, they are structured this way to control wagon size. I can switch them later if I feel the need.

Bottom line, it's a null tell.

Your RVS vote on an "internal" thread post (to use my way of thinking) is a null tell?

[mafia-n00b]

Think internal/external reasons. I expect RVS votes to basically be external (names, ponies, etc), or even meta to the game (last to confirm, first to confirm). When internal (something to do with post content), I'm seeing less RVS and more calculation behind the vote.

OK, you're drawing a distinction here that I can see. While I don't agree with it, it's at least coherent. I guess my response to it is that while his vote has to do with the content of my post, since the content of my post ITSELF was only meta-game (discussion of avatars as a flavor-enhancer) it feels more meta-game related than game-content related.

UNVOTE: 1. PeregrineV

[inte]

hey mafia-n00b scared of stepping on toes?

[mafia-n00b]

Code_X, what the hell is incentive for lynching a miller?

Why ask questions if you're going to ignore the answer(s)? You spent plenty of time since this post online, but ignored this thread?

[mafia-n00b]

hey mafia-n00b scared of stepping on toes?

Nope, just a fan of getting my reads based on accurate data rather than supposition or mis-interpretation.

[inte]

hey mafia-n00b scared of stepping on toes?

Nope, just a fan of getting my reads based on accurate data rather than supposition or mis-interpretation.

but that's what makes mafia fun

Vote 2: mafia-n00b

[inte]

well that wasn't bolded

Vote 2: mafia-n00b

[Phillammon]

Wow. Maybe its because I do use a "tread carefully, do not offend" playstyle, but I can't see town motivation behind that last bit.

[inte]

im more of an "fuck it yolo, offend everyone" playstyle

[Phillammon]

Noted.

Vote1: Inte
Vote2: Derpy

[inte]

man that was mean

whats with the opposing wagon with a different vote? wont that just make things more confusing to do vca later?

[whispersilk]

Reads so far:

The Code/Shotgun

exchange comes off as town/town. I believe the miller claim, and I'm happy with a town read on Code.

derpy

- was giving off town vibes late yesterday, has defended himself well, his posts today reinforce that town read.

fitz

- town

mafia-noob

- leaning town

PeregrineV

- leaning town

ActionDan, Matias and Phil

are all null reads because all three have little content to judge, although what little AD has posted - I like. Would like to see more posting please.

inte

- Aggressive, although that's not a bad thing, I don't agree with insulting other players. Don't get the sheep and the push on the derpy wagon. Your votes are all over the place. Scum.

@inte:

Why is fitz scum? and wtf is all this?

Vote 1: Phillamon
Vote2: havingfitz

everyone go vote derpy like your life depended on it

forgot i moved my vote

Vote 1: derpy

1st regarding the miller claim, what shotty did is absolutely the right play. this would be the 2nd time I have played in a game where a scummy player rolled miller (played a game under beck where Parama was miller) and he also claimed in his first post. I do not advocate a d1 lynch of a miller, when we get to a point in the game where we are close to lylo and we have a ML left and he is still alive, we can discuss lynching him at that point but that is so far away.

2nd - Every single reason Code has given to try and lynch Shotty are horrible. First he attacks him for not posting when the game starts, than he wants to test the miller claim, but as fitz pointed out there is no point testing the claim day 1. If someone is so sure he is scum going into the night phase than hopefully we have a RB type role or maybe a watcher/tracker of some sort. but jesus let the man play the game without preconceived notions.

3rd - Inte, if you want people to join you on lynching me you are going to need to do more than "OMG CMON GUYS, LYNCH DERPY HE IS SCUM BECAUSE I SAY HE IS" I am quite torn though because your push on me is way over the top to come from somebody who is town, and I also doubt scum would put a target on their back like that either. If you are town, you need to explain why my reactions are scummy. It would also help if you explained why you went hardcore pushing on me early on without any reason whatsoever. so until you can do that, I will just leave my vote on you. and you can try and tap dance around it and accuse me of OMGUS, but it most certainly has nothing to do with OMGUS. Code is guilty of doing something similar and I am voting him.

I have to go now, kids bed time and quality time with the wife.

nah

Vote 1: Phillamon
Vote 2: havingfitz

You hop from players to players, then when derpy asks you for reasoning behind your push on his wagon, you reply "nah", unvote without giving reason and go back to voting Phil and fitz. Now you're voting mafia-noob.

Pine

- What little content there is = fluff. Null - leaning scum.

Only other read I got on catching up was on Defender. Getting similar vibes as in Ythan's nightless. Thought it was Town then, and he flipped scum

Does this mean you're thinking he's town so far? If so, what about his posts give you a town read.

D3f3nd3r

- Scum. Just 4 posts:

VOTE 1: Mafia-n00b

- Because he has what he voted me in RVS for.

VOTE 2: Pine

- Because I hate pines.

@ Derpy, and the rest of the players: D3 is fine. Just don't get confused when we reach Day 3.

Comes off as trying to appear helpful at best, otherwise just fluff.

People, convince me why I would get on the Derpy Hooves and Shotgun wagons.

Why don't you try reading and making up your own mind which wagons you should be on? This = trying to limit your responsibility for your votes.

Also, you ignored the response you got from derpy in #73 and your last post was this:

Quick reminder:

Game is limited reveal. Only the side of the dead player will be revealed.

We will never know if Shotgun is town or scum, unless Shotgun says if he is revealed town at death.

Nothing more than fluff and appearing to be helpful. We already know this game is limited reveal because the rules state so.

More real content please.

Vote 1: inte

Vote 2: D3f3nd3r

[Code_X]

Noted.

Vote1: Inte
Vote2: Derpy

You ignored my previous question.

Disappointing.