Mini 1344: Murder on the HMS Regalia - Game Over

[BK201]

Bk201: Jumped on Espeonage fast due to the fact of his claim. Stated that Vt's shouldn't claim just to claim and that's its scummy approach and is not an excuse to get away with role fishing. I don't see how him claiming was role fishing. Unvotes Espeonage and was quick to jump onto Drmyshotgun's point and votes me due to the fact I look like anxious scum. His posts #1-8 was tunneling on both Me and Espeonage with one mention of Swords for thinking he's town. Then he quarantines SER and states he's okay with lynching me or Espeonage, but is okay with jailing SER or Espeonage. Day 2 starts and he's tunneling on me only and not looking else where.

Its rolefishing b/c it encourages other VTs to claim and its also an excuse to not be the NK. What's your point about who I wanted to jail?

[Malakittens]

No you are flipping Espeonage's motives to make it look like scummy. He did not at all pressure other VT's to claim. Okay, understandable that he didn't want to be the NK. There's nothing wrong with that. My point is you were basically tunneling on both Espeonage and I with some side swiping of other players. That to me is a scum tell. My point on the jailing is the fact is it wasn't clear which reasoning. Did you want to use jail to jail scum or did you want to use jail to jail town.

[Espeonage]

I am suddenly worried by *how* good Nab is looking, but I can live with it for now. I'm not convinced on image.

Really? The only reason I'm not still voting him is because while he is far and away my biggest scum read, I wouldn't be able to get support.

Peeps need to get off Mala, he's town. Reminds me of alot of the people I used to play with back when I was spamming newbie games as an SE to make IC's lives hell.

[image]

@Nab:

Sword's vote struck me as trying to retroactively make it seem like he had been more interested in lynching Mala yesterday, which would allow him to slip on a wagon today with less objection.

@sword:

(In response to 482) I'm not a fan of putting off until tomorrow the scumhunting I can do today. Especially when your proposed alternative to scumhunting seems to be make another easy lynch to get information.

@Mala:

What is the difference between a null read and "undecided"? (In #483)

[Malakittens]

Null read is that they have done both scum/town things, but they are both equal in retrospect. Undecided is when I didn't get either a feeling of town/scum plays and haven't been able to put them into a group.

[sword_of_omens]

Especially when your proposed alternative to scumhunting seems to be make another easy lynch to get information.

ahhh...so you think i'm just trying to lead an easy mislynch, then do you?
tell me, do you think Mala is town? you never really said either way...
And you don't see the defense/coaching i spoke of about with Mala and BrundiNab...not to mention Brundi's strange Espe vote out of nowhere when Mala was a leading wagon?

[Psyche]

Kay, so if I already read this thread and this is the thread I think it is, I should be able to produce a full post lickety split. I just need to remember what's going on.

No sleep until then!

[Psyche]

Darn. I may have to reread the thread.

[guille2015]

Here is something to help you concentrate.

Vote Psyche

[Espeonage]

You guys are retarded.

If he didn't respond to one he's not going to respond to another one.

[Psyche]

That makes guile a better tell.

[Psyche]

Town:
Esp

I think Espeonage is Town, but what he wanted us to do with his claim I'm unsure.

I think we should quarantine confirmed non-PRs. Like people who were cleared by Cop.
If we quarantine the Cop, he can't investigate no more. But when he's out there, he has chance of Doc protection and maybe keep investigating.

If there's no sign of a Doc then I think it's best to prolong the Cop's death at least for a night. It forces scum to give us a less obvious NK to analyze.

This doesn't make sense. VT's should not be claiming. If all the VT's claimed, we would single handedly paint a target on all of our PR's. and yes, it sounds like you ARE rolefishing..

2. Yes it does. A couple of them. So? How so?

by you initially claiming VT and hinting that you expected more to come forward, you are implying that it is an ok thing to do. If VT's come forward, it narrows down the hit list for scum. That looks like rolefishing to me. And what's to stop scum from claiming VT? This doesn't help town at all.

Yeah VT's shouldn't claim just to do it. This whole approach is scummy and the jail-mechanic is not an excuse to get away with rolefishing. 
VOTE: Espo
Not sure on who to quarantine just yet.

VOTE: Malakittens
You've been playing newb-card for a while now, and I certainly don't see you as one anymore.

Why is Sword_of_Omens obtwTown again?

You have a point. I think Mala seem like anxious scum. 
UNVOTE:  
VOTE: Malakittens

Quarintine: Trollie

Successive crap votes.

And the rest of his posts are equally insubstantial and poor. As town, BK usually seems markedly more proactive, so I have a scumread here. 

I don't see how two sites could be so different, Mala just seems like shes really milking it. Every other post is about the differences in the sites. I'm leaning anxious scum, I've been right about this particular read on people before.

VOTE: Mala

There is clear evidence that mala's site is a lot different from ours. Your accusation that she is "milking it" seems unfair considering that her offsite experience may very well be the reason she's not behaving to your liking.

That last sentence seems like overexplanation, too.

[Psyche]

Guile's pretty clearly an earnest town with offsite quirks...

[Espeonage]

Psyche, Guille, Sword. Voting bloc now.

[Psyche]

Brundibar's early play only gives off bad signs.
And Nabokov's posts are a solid null. 
NOTE: he referred to a townie as flailing, increasing the likelihood that he's scum by a bit

[sword_of_omens]

Really? The only reason I'm not still voting him is because while he is far and away my biggest scum read, I wouldn't be able to get support.

i would join you on this magical adventure...

other top contenders i would pick for a rope-eating contest:
Phil
BK

@DrShotty

, why did you claim when you did? You had maybe 3 votes on you, and D3F3Nd3R was at L-1

[Phillammon]

Sword: I'm not objecting, but any particular reasons for me being on that list?

[RichardGHP]

Third Vote Count of Day 2

Lynch:

[2] Psyche - [NabakovNabakov, guille2015]
[3] Malakittens - [sword_of_omens, BK201, drmyshotgun]
[2] sword_of_omens - [image, Phillammon]
[1] image - [Espeonage]


[3] Not Voting - [Psyche, TheTrollie, Malakittens]

Quarantine:

[1] drmyshotgun - [image]
[10] Not Voting - [Psyche, NabakovNabakov, Phillammon, drmyshotgun, Espeonage, TheTrollie, BK201, sowrd_of_omens, guille2015, Malakittens]

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch and 6 votes to quarantine. Deadline for this day is July 9, 1630h UTC+12.

[sword_of_omens]

@Phil, see 471 for the main reasons.

also:

I promise to be more active from here on in. Exams and similar were eating a lot of my time up until now.

and still not seeing much out of you.

and not to mention your quick feel good vote on me you threw once it looked like there might be a chance of a wagon..
pretty sure that's why Espe lol'd




and please answer this:

@Phil: can you clarify your Image remark as that can be taken two ways depending on who you were talking to..
and *how* is NabNab looking good?

[Phillammon]

Sorry. My apologies for lack of posting, no real excuse there. My bad. As for the vote on you, I'll usually follow up on people giving good reasoning if I'm convinced by it. That could well be a good reason for Espe loling. As for the questions in 499: I value good reasoning and effort in hunting as townish qualities, as if they are town, they tend to find scum, and if they're scum, they tend to slip up. From that alone, Nab was looking great. I guess I weighted that too much. Image, I just wasn't convinced that he is scum, which someone was arguing.

[Malakittens]

Honestly, I'm seeing Image as town rather than scum. Unlike others he hasn't been tunneling as much and he's giving an honest effort to scum hunt unlike others.

[sword_of_omens]

I just wasn't convinced that he is scum, which someone was arguing.

ok, no worries, i had just said that i thought he was town prior to your post...so i wasn't sure if you were talking to me,
or if it was to Espe/Nab as your comment was pretty vague.

[Phillammon]

My fault. I'll try to make it clearer in future.

[drmyshotgun]

Sword_of_Omens' Question:
"@DrShotty, why did you claim when you did? You had maybe 3 votes on you, and D3F3Nd3R was at L-1"

I didn't read properly, the deadline was up and I was just getting lynched for the sake of lynching.

[sword_of_omens]

huh?
we still had 24 hours to go and you were nowhere close to being lynched...
Are you saying that you thought you were at L-1 or something?