Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[Robocopter87]

It was the newbie one that robocopter modded, I think. I subbed in blind on day 4 at L-1 as the jailkeeper. Talked my way out of it, a big debate ensued, and we finally lynched Thor, who was the last scum. Remember?

I don't recall this ever happening. lol Link plz?

[DCLXVI]

The only one to misrepresent anything is you. Your #414 is pathetic, and after saying there was a long post coming with reads, we were all expecting more than something you could have typed out in about a minute and half and given us a long time ago.

I re-read the entire thread before giving my reads, just cause I didn't right an essay explaining them doesn't mean I didn't put time into them.

[whispersilk]

It was the newbie one that robocopter modded, I think. I subbed in blind on day 4 at L-1 as the jailkeeper. Talked my way out of it, a big debate ensued, and we finally lynched Thor, who was the last scum. Remember?

I don't recall this ever happening. lol Link plz?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=17689

I hated you so much when you sent me my role pm and then I entered the thread about to be lynched.

[whispersilk]

The only one to misrepresent anything is you. Your #414 is pathetic, and after saying there was a long post coming with reads, we were all expecting more than something you could have typed out in about a minute and half and given us a long time ago.

I re-read the entire thread before giving my reads, just cause I didn't right an essay explaining them doesn't mean I didn't put time into them.

We know shit about how much time you spent reading the thread. You said you were going to be making a much longer post with reads, and when prompted again about it you told Aru to have patience, like you were

really

taking your time and composing something that would make up for your lack of content, then you posted something that basically tells us very little and does nothing to improve the towns opinion of you. Instead of doing the one thing you could have to prove you really did some reading, you

chose

not to. There is no explination of your reads, no back up quotes to justify them, or follow up questions to any of your null or scum reads except for your little bit at the end to Hoopla, which ironically looks

forced

and just tacked on because you had already been called up over not responding to her vote on you.

[Arugula]

So everyone who agrees with you is scum? Just because whisper wanted to know something that you did, does not mean she is sucking up to you.

I never said everybody who agrees with me is scum. That is blatantly misrepping me.

If whisper had simply wanted to know what I wanted to know. She would have waited for the response instead of buddying up to me saying it was a good point.

You insinuated that, and it is not a misrep if I was asking you to clarify. If that's what you meant by it, fine.

Okay cool. Call out buddying and don't follow up on it.

I called it out, what more did you want? Whisper was blatant and unnecessarily buddying. Iceguy was simply posting reads and put Vox in the town category.

Question the buddiers or do something else besides "Hey they're buddying".

Yes, but he has ONLY TALKED ABOUT ME this whole game. That goes beyond thinking someone is scum. That is tunneling. You are agreeing with me, but attacking me at the same time. Why are you defending DCL's tunneling?

You asked him if you took a **** on his pillow. That question was so ridiculous. Why would you even ask? I never defended his tunneling. I've said multiple times that I have called him out multiple times to give more content. Read my ISO, I say it over and over. It wasn't about DCL, it was about our reaction to DCL.

That question was a JOKE. If you thought I would seriously ask that, you need a sense of humor. And I know you have been talking about his content, but you make it seem like I am just parroting you, when I am calling him out on tunneling, not lack of content.

Again, what changed for me being null-scum to scummier than whisper? Why is my wagon better?

Your reactions. And now your OMGUS. You have gone into rage mode because people think you are scum.

This isn't OMGUS. I've given a fair case on you, and I didn't vote AV or Amrun when they voted for me.

So when I flip town, you can admit you have done nothing and hammer yourself.

I've played one game with AV before and although it isn't completed, we are both dead and town. He is acting completely different. He posted reads, (good ones), answered all questions, and did not give snarky, unhelpful comments like the one above.

I want to lynch AV too, but Robocopter first because Robocopter can actually be helpful to scum.

That fact that you are telling people you'll flip town is ridiculous. When you start using that as a defense you know that you need to die.

Am I supposed to say that I will flip scum?

Yes I am flipping town, and when I do, I hope you are lynched.

We aren't going to lynch him if you flip town. You acted scummy and he voted you. Nothing wrong with him. If you flip town, you ought go back and play a few newbies. AtE much?

NOTHING WRONG WITH AV? So you think his refusal to ask questions, his lack of scumhunting, and his weak excuses are acceptable?

And there is no reason to insult me. That was not an AtE either. I said that if I die, I want AV lynched. That's it.

[vijay2vasandani]

Anyway, I've scanned through and I'm comfortable with this:

VOTE: Arugula

353 and 357 don't sound like the Arugula I know, who has been town.

Gay, everybody is voting him now, I thought I could actually contribute something.

But I'm just saying, be wary of AV. In CYOR, he outed a lot of setup spec and analysis in the QT, but hid his info from town. Seeing how well he caught on there, him not giving any outstanding insights into this setup makes me queasy.

[Arugula]

Anyway, I've scanned through and I'm comfortable with this:

VOTE: Arugula

353 and 357 don't sound like the Arugula I know, who has been town.

That's what you call frustration.

And is that your only reason for voting me?

[vijay2vasandani]

Yes. Why?

[Arugula]

It isn't strong enough, and you haven't commented on most of the things that have gone on.

[Quilford]

Game Board

Spoiler: IceGuy's collect

IceGuy collects tile F6...

Spoiler: Final Board & Activity Log

Code: Select all

MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

MagnaofIllusion has used both his daily flip and collect.
Hoopla has used both her daily flip and collect.
AurorusVox has used both his daily flip and collect.
IceGuy has used both his daily flip and collect.
Lady Lambdadelta has used both her daily flip and collect.
Arugula has used both his daily flip and collect.
2minds1soul have used both their daily flip and collect.
Robocopter87 has used both his daily flip and collect.
whispersilk has used both her daily flip and collect.
DCLXVI has used both his daily flip and collect.
vijay2vasandani has used both his daily flip and collect.
Amrun has used both her daily flip and collect.
Voidedmafia has used both his daily flip and collect.

Day 1

Arugula

(5) DCLXVI, IceGuy, Robocopter87, AurorusVox, vijay2vasandani

IceGuy

(3) Voidedmafia, MagnaofIllusion, Amrun

Hoopla

(1) Lady Lambdadelta

Robocopter87

(1) Arugula

whispersilk

(1) 2minds1soul

AurorusVox

(1) whispersilk

DCLXVI

(1) Hoopla

Not Voting

(0)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-07-08 11:20:06).

Semi-prodding 2minds1soul to gauge the extent of their V/LA. Doesn't count as an actual prod.

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.
Amrun has declared V/LA for over two weeks from Sat, Jun 23, 2012 12:57.44 pm (AEST).
2minds1soul has declared V/LA for a week from Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:48.04 am (AEST).

[Robocopter87]

You insinuated that, and it is not a misrep if I was asking you to clarify. If that's what you meant by it, fine.

So that point in your "case" against me is null.

Question the buddiers or do something else besides "Hey they're buddying".

Question them how? I pointed it out. I didn't find it scummy. I didn't find it town. I pointed it out. How does this make me scum?

That question was a JOKE. If you thought I would seriously ask that, you need a sense of humor. And I know you have been talking about his content, but you make it seem like I am just parroting you, when I am calling him out on tunneling, not lack of content.

There are no jokes in Mafia. I'm not accepting a defense of "It was a joke". No. If you didn't state it was a joke at the time of the joke, then it wasn't a joke.

Second point I'm willing to agree to. You are in fact calling him out for tunneling. not lack of content. I'll let that go. However, this has nothing to do with me being scum.

This isn't OMGUS. I've given a fair case on you, and I didn't vote AV or Amrun when they voted for me.

Pfft, where is this fair case you speak of?

Am I supposed to say that I will flip scum?

I never said that. But instead of giving proper reasoning you went to, "Oh IM TOWN so you should feel bad when I flip." We don't know you are town. We didn't ask you if you were town. Its a load of WIFOM that doesn't needed to be added.

NOTHING WRONG WITH AV? So you think his refusal to ask questions, his lack of scumhunting, and his weak excuses are acceptable?

And there is no reason to insult me. That was not an AtE either. I said that if I die, I want AV lynched. That's it.

Yes, he is acceptable. Not obvtown. But acceptable.

There are plenty other people who should die before AV. I would not think AV is scum just because he was on your wagon.

Also, I'm not insulting you. I have nothing personal against you. I just think that if you flip town it would be because of your inexperience. That is all. You have very good observations but it's kinda hard for you to get it out right. More newbies == more experience

[Arugula]

I am on my phone now and will respond to that post later.

[Robocopter87]

It was the newbie one that robocopter modded, I think. I subbed in blind on day 4 at L-1 as the jailkeeper. Talked my way out of it, a big debate ensued, and we finally lynched Thor, who was the last scum. Remember?

I don't recall this ever happening. lol Link plz?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=17689

I hated you so much when you sent me my role pm and then I entered the thread about to be lynched.

Whaaaaaaa?

I am an amazingly innocent person. I have no idea what you are talking about.

In all honesty though, I did not specify the game on purpose. i merely just screwed up. I think. I don't think I'd do something like that.

I am on my phone now and will respond to that post later.

Kk. It wasn't really necessary to say but whatever.

[Quilford]

Rule Violation

I've played one game with AV before and although it isn't completed, we are both dead and town.

Hi, Arugula.

Please refer to rule a) i) which states that all global rules and guidelines are enforced in this game. "Do not talk outside the game thread about an ongoing game except where explicitly allowed to do so by your role/moderator" is listed as one of these rules. Unless you have permission from your moderator to talk about the game, this rule holds no matter if you or AurorusVox are dead or town. This is your first and only warning. Don't do it again.

[vijay2vasandani]

It isn't strong enough, and you haven't commented on most of the things that have gone on.

Yeah, you think so? sucks to be you then. What have I missed? I cbf with all the mafia setup theory spec stuff.

[Voidedmafia]

Spoiler: Final summation of the board for Day 1

LLD can possibly make either neighborize (NB) or Ninja (NJ).
Robocopter has 1 piece for Cop, CPR Doc, or PGO.
Amrun has 1 unknown
Hoopla has 1 piece for CPR and can possibly make RB
AV has 1 piece for Cop, CPR, and PGO like Robo
MoI has 1 piece for Vig and can possibly make VO
I have one piece for CPR and can possibly make RB like Hoop
Vijay and 2Brids have 1 piece for Cop, CPR, and WTC, and can possibly make CM, DC, and LC.
Whisper has 1 piece for WHM, and can possibly make SM and CM
Arugula has 1 unknown
DCL has 1 piece for WTC and can possibly make TK
IceGuy has 1 piece for WKD and HID, and can possibly make DC

Possible word combos based on the tiles currently flipped are:
X, K6 - None
T, A6 - WTC, TK
Z, G2 - None

DCL, like Whisper said, that's far too little for how much you were promising. THere are other people I want to kill before you (like Arugula and IceGuy, and AVox), but your inability to follow up is very telling.

Vijay, be a man and read up.

I'd be willing to read Arug vs. Robo as town vs. town, but Arug's aggressive tone doesn't read like town frustration at all and stops said tvt read. Less scum desperation and more scum anger at being the lynch, I think.

Vote: Arugula

(L-1)

[AurorusVox]

vote: arugula

Dat hammer.

[whispersilk]

You're already voting him, you idiot. The fact you just thought you were hammering him though, without giving him the chance to reply as he said he's going to is hella scummy.

It's pretty funny how everyone that is actually around, has jumped off me and IG and straight onto Arugula without really giving good reason. vijay is probably the worst.

[IceGuy]

You're already voting him, you idiot. The fact you just thought you were hammering him though, without giving him the chance to reply as he said he's going to is hella scummy.

Or it's just a fake hammer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

V/LA for the weekend.

[AurorusVox]

Well the fake hammer has at least served to strengthen the tie between whisper and arguala.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Notice that since Iceguy did his “everything I say is scummy” he’s disappeared from posting any significant content and let someone else come under fire. Case in point – he returns with only Post 443 as content.

@Anyone who gave him credit for his “Abrasive attitude = Town”

– what does him going into lurk mode do to that assessment?

Vijay’s vote at Post 430 is quite scummy. Translated “I don’t see Arugula as the Town I know. Vote Arugula. But remember to keep an eye out on AV who is the main person (besides Robo) pushing Arugula. He could be scum …”

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Scum: Auros, Arugula, hoopla

So your theory is that AV is power-bussing Arugula when he could have easily kept the wagon on Whispersilk intact when Whisper is a Town read for you?

Also put me down firmly in the “DCLs’ content is completely underwhelming and his explanation is rather meh” pool.

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@MoI, how is it a strike one when the meat of the point is correct, even if the name of the player he was talking with isn't?

It was strike one because I had misread the exchange between Robo (as my later post shows) and saw you posting what was not only an incorrect analysis (I was wrong on this) but using incorrect facts on top of that.

Clearly I was wrong since I was the one who had the exchange incorrectly analyzed (and noticed it after I re-read based on Robo’s response).

vote: arugula

Dat hammer.

There is a relevant MD topic to this. Your “it strengthens the Whisper / Arugula link” is rather crap since only the most brain-dead would possibly have missed that you were already on the wagon.

No reaction to this obv-stupid reaction test was going to show anything about anyone’s alignment. It’s fluff.

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1. He contradicted himself, and I wished for him to explain himself. It didn't really have anything to do with Whisper besides the fact that Whisper was the content.

Ok so seeing this and your subsequent vote on Arugula… what is your opinion of 2for1’s alignment (you can hold off answering if you are still waiting for their reply until after they respond)?

2. Arugula is looking very bad. In my opinion even worse than Whisper. I think Whisper has done a better job defending herself than Arugula. I would rather see Arugula dead than Whisper dead at this point. Thus, I switched my vote.

Why does Arugula ‘look bad’? I haven’t seen anything cohesive yet out of any of his voters that says why is is likely scum.

Does Whisper being a better defense writer means she got a Town role PM?

We aren't going to lynch him if you flip town. You acted scummy and he voted you. Nothing wrong with him. If you flip town, you ought go back and play a few newbies. AtE much?

Strong defense of AV noted …

There are plenty other people who should die before AV. I would not think AV is scum just because he was on your wagon.

Futher strong defense of AV noted …

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I want to lynch AV too, but Robocopter first because Robocopter can actually be helpful to scum.

You will have to explain this to me as it makes no sense FMPOV …

[AurorusVox]

I don't read md so...

I fail to see how pointing out a fake hammer helps town. Whisper could have waited to make her post. Instead she jumps in straight away. This is because she wants to look town. She wants to try to use anything she can against me. She also could've posted as a warning to her buddy that the hammer was fake (aegula scumflip thus implies no daytalk).

She hasn't even given adequate reason for why I'd fake hammer as scum. Saying I'd forgotten where my vote is is bull.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I fail to see how pointing out a fake hammer helps town. Whisper could have waited to make her post. Instead she jumps in straight away. This is because she wants to look town. She wants to try to use anything she can against me. She also could've posted as a warning to her buddy that the hammer was fake (aegula scumflip thus implies no daytalk).

You 'reaction test' was complete fail from the start. Suggesting it was going to provide any sort of read-able reactions is just not realistic. You've been pushing Arugula as scum for two pages. No-one is going to think "AV just hammered Arugula".

Pointing out the fake-hammer isn't Pro-Town. It isn't Pro-Scum. It's as non-helpful as the fake-hammer itself.

You yourself are right here doing exactly what you are accusing Whisper of doing - taking anything you can trying to use it against her.

[AurorusVox]

There are proscum motivations to pointing it out.