Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[Soben]

Rainbow, I remember someone claiming that they were lynched for the first time as town in Walrus, was it petroleum then? And if you flip town then sure, I'll re-look at RP though I find his reasoning behind his town read on Shotty as a very strong town-tell, don't think it's something he'd fake as scum.

PEdit: Vis, I'm feeling the same way - that being Venmars ISO makes me very confident in the slot being scum as does Rainbows first 3-4 posts but his sort of 'trust me/sheep me when I die' attitude is eating away at me a little bit but pretty much telling myself that as scum he'd have to make a ploy like this so it's null.

PEdit2: TAM, let me get something right; We're not voting an un cc'ed claimed mason - if Andrews not a mason with him or at all then Andrew can state so in his next post and we'll deal with it then, until then there's no gain or point voting either of them.

PEdit3: I've replaced into slots that have been getting lynched a lot of times - it's something that you grow to accept.

[VisceraEyes]

VisceraEyes
Soben
TeChNoWC
Code_X

McStab
Arugula
Potack-ruv

Chrimi
andrew94

drmyShotgun
RedPanda

RainbowDash
The Acting Method

Is ~where I'm standing right now. Pending clarification from the "LOL I'M NOT A MASON UNLESS I AM MUAHAHAHAHAHA NO SRS I'M A MASON LOL PSYCH OR AM I?" twins, I think they're both scummy as shit. If they claim masons though, they'll be higher on my list.

[VisceraEyes]

Actually, Dash at the bottom...that was just their order in the list as I was cut/pasting them.

[Soben]

Really though, how does it at ALL help me to enter a game replacing somepony who replaced out in a shitty sitaution and then immediately turn around and start attacking everypony who is regarded as town? Easiest play in the world as scum is to just pick up one of the wagons that has some backing to it, and either ride it to a mislynch or bus, claim mason if needed even with a random townie to get good reactions for who could be a real mason. How does ANYTHING I have done help me as scum? It just gets me killed faster.

1) This isn't what you did initially and given the sheer amount of replacements that just came in it's relatively difficult for you to push on anyone that's not considered town forcing you to push on people that are town-reads or in this case Bork who's actually most peoples nullish reads.
2) Claiming mason ect. isn't possible given that there's already mason claims.
3) Bussing is probably the least optimal play as scum in the process of going down, even if they successfully bus they're not 'cleared' and still likely to get lynched further down the road, all it does is lose a team mate and put scum in a worse position. Also given that I think TAM/Chimera are also mafia then pushing on both of them which are plausibleish lynches wouldn't work for you at all.

[The Acting Method]

Absta/Viscera Eyes:
Dislike every single one of his posts... entirely fluff then quits... If this list is in order we signed up... he should have known that at least Potack was a hydra.
I'm leaning town on VE. So that puts you as leaning town. On the post you quoted from me in 325, Sometimes when I think a point is being made that's valid, I will comment on it if I have input that supports it.

There, that's the entire game, I think Shotgun is most likely scum, followed by possibly Crimi. Also Viscera Eyes were you in that game that Rainbow Dash and I were in as well like my memory recalls?

Well I'll park it until Andrew posts then. Because I didn't see a mason claim from either of them. And I'm Positive that Shotgun is lying and at best he's townie riding on another town and one/neither of them are masons. (And if one of them is mason I'm betting it's Andrew)

[Soben]

Well I'm at the following with Andrew/Shotgun possibly being changed given Andrews verification of the claim or not;

VisceraEyes
TeChNoWC
Code_X
Andrew94
Drshotgun

RedPanda
McStab
Potack-ruv

Arugula

Chrimi

The Acting Method
RainbowDash

[VisceraEyes]

Did Shotgun actually CLAIM Mason?

[Rainbowdash]

Rainbow, I remember someone claiming that they were lynched for the first time as town in Walrus, was it petroleum then? And if you flip town then sure, I'll re-look at RP though I find his reasoning behind his town read on Shotty as a very strong town-tell, don't think it's something he'd fake as scum.

Have you looked at any game I have been scum in with regards to faking a town read? Its simple stuff if you know how to do it.

PEdit: Vis, I'm feeling the same way - that being Venmars ISO makes me very confident in the slot being scum as does Rainbows first 3-4 posts but his sort of 'trust me/sheep me when I die' attitude is eating away at me a little bit but pretty much telling myself that as scum he'd have to make a ploy like this so it's null.

Good. You should start listening to your gut because its right here even if it takes a bit to get over the "I have to be right" mindset. If all I can do is make sure you dont lynch my town reads and show you who you should be lynching, I will just stick with that.

@VE - MS needs to be much higher on your list for town.

pedit

@Soben -
1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.
2) I think the mason claim is very obviously a joke, unless its under any type of duress/massclaim im not at all reading into it as any type of a tell.

[Soben]

No, he didn't 100% flat out hard claim it but he stated that people were being thick re; Andrews defence of him and then said that he's voting with Andrew since he's 100% town. Also Andrew stated neither of them were getting lynched and both of their early reads consist of the other person being town ie.

The claim/softage at least checks out.

Anyway I'm going to be resting/gone for the rest of the weekend.

[VisceraEyes]

Close enough

VisceraEyes
drmyShotgun
andrew94
Soben
Code_X

TeChNoWC
McStab
Arugula

Potack-ruv
Chrimi

RedPanda

RainbowDash
The Acting Method

Sorry Soben, you get bumped under the masons. No offense.

[Soben]

Have you looked at any game I have been scum in with regards to faking a town read? Its simple stuff if you know how to do it.

I've been scum with you, also played near 50-60 forum games, agree that it's not the most complicated thing in the world but find it genuine from him.

Good. You should start listening to your gut because its right here even if it takes a bit to get over the "I have to be right" mindset. If all I can do is make sure you dont lynch my town reads and show you who you should be lynching, I will just stick with that.

I don't listen to my gut; see earlier in the thread where I had a rant about guts being bad or at least mine being, I stick to logic and find it effective. With that said if you flip town I'll spend excessive time re-going through the thread looking specifically at your FoS's.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part. 2) I think the mason claim is very obviously a joke, unless its under any type of duress/massclaim im not at all reading into it as any type of a tell.

1) Think TAMs your partner, just explained why I don't think you could buss. DMS/Andrew couldn't be pushed on due to mason claims. VE is/was obvtown, not somewhere where you can get a mslynch from so no. Bork on the other hand is prime target for it. 2) I don't think this is a joke claim at all.

[VisceraEyes]

Man, this was easy.

If anyone has any questions or whatever, I'll probably be around...in the meantime, vote for Rainbowdash for town victory!

PEdit:

:/

What's he going on about with the whole "all I have to do is get you to not lynch my townreads"? Is there a breaking strategy for this setup or something that I'm not aware of? Like, mass-claim and if there are 2 sets of masons lynch them and if only one, start lynching scummy VTs or something ike that?

[VisceraEyes]

Wait wait, there are 3 masons according to the OP who operate as a team is what it looks like to me.

We really need some clarity from the Mason claims.

[Soben]

The setup gives us 4 lynches (From memory) so assuming a mason never gets lynched and we can all agree on 3-4 VTs that are town the game becomes auto.


Anyway, realllly got to go now.

[Mortontfrh]

I'll start looking for a replacement for McStab when I wake up tomorrow.

Vote Count 1.12

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X, Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94

(2) - Chrimi, Arugula

VisceraEyes

(1) - RedPanda

Soben

(1) - andrew94

The Acting Method

(1) - Drmyshotgun

Code_X

(1) - TechnoWC

TechnoWC

(1) - Potack-Ruv

Arugula

(1) - RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun

(1) - The Acting Method

Not Voting: McStab

V/LA: RedPanda - June 28th until June 30th

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-07-07 16:41:00)

[McStab]

Hey, sorry Mortonfrh, no need to get a replacement. I'm still here, I've just been a bit lethargic with my posting in this game and a few others. I think I'm still in time under my prod and I'll be able to put the necessary time into this game.

[drmyshotgun]

I'm not gonna claim anything.

[drmyshotgun]

Chrimi:
Pretty much seems like he's trying too hard... Could be scum in my opinion.

Andrew:
I have a town read, but he seems like he's trying to hide something and I have no idea what he is trying to do.

Code X:
Seeming pretty good. Couple of things, every thing you comment on me is in response to someone I believe. Seems town. But yeah, Tech is not scum.

Bork/Argula:
Bork feels off. Just something strange... Big Fat Null with Argula... Not enough information.

Shotgun:
Don't like Post 170/163... BAD BAD BAD. All in all I dislike his playstyle. Don't like his almost replace out... Reminded me too much of what I referred to earlier with Om... I think Shotgun is scum. I think he's riding on Andrew's town read of him and is pretending to be a mason.
VOTE: Shotgun Potack I'm agreeing with here and what I just said.

Nice parrot you got there.

[andrew94]

will post more 2morrow but people should STOP guessing and FIND SCUM (whos name is not andrew94 or shotgun)

[Potack-ruv]

VOTE: andrew
You literally just claimed scum.
That scumslip was hilarious.

[andrew94]

ok lynch me, if im town, lynch you.
deal?

oh wait, that wont work...

[McStab]

I can get behind some pressure on Andrew.

Vote:andrew94

This whole masonclaim is way too vague for me to get behind. I don't think we should hammer yet by any means, nor do I want to out the masons directly, but at this point it's essentially linking two players, both of whom have been acting suspect to say the least. Furthermore I hate the logic of "lynch me if im town lynch you".

So anyone who accuses you is autoscum? Or Potack must be for attacking both you and drmy?

And it doesn't help town at all to let yourself be lynched. Also, why wouldn't it work? Does that mean you're scum? I hesitate to think any scum could make such an obvious slip, but I am unsure if I'm detecting any sarcasm there or not. The only part that "won't work" is if you aren't town.

[Potack-ruv]

I like how you don't even bother defending.
It shows you know you fucked up and can't get out of it.

[Potack-ruv]

I'm sure you saw the same thing right, McStab? What did you see?

[McStab]

I think it's soft but yes, I saw "FIND SCUM (Who aren't andrew94 or shotgun)." Taken literally, it means they are scum but we're not supposed to look for the name.

I just think coupled with his vague mason-esque claim and poor reaction to your catch, he really deserves some attention and pressure.