Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[Potack-ruv]

FIND SCUM (whos name is not andrew94 or shotgun)

This basically means that we should find the scum who aren't him and Gunny. He didn't say he wasn't scum, and he didn't say he was town either. He basically said, "Scum who aren't us," meaning he's scum with Gunny and we should find the other one instead of pressuring them.

[drmyshotgun]

VOTE: McStab
This retard. :/

[drmyshotgun]

McStab doesn't reference ANYTHING that has happened previously.
Does not show even the remotest interest. And comes just in time to "pressure" Andrew with Potack?
The only thing you seem interested in is how legit this "masonclaim" thing is.
Lol, one scum down. Post #474 is full of shit, you know that right?

Potack, does this not even bother you the slightest? The only thing you seem interested in this game is having people do the same thing as you are doing.
Also, if you think Andrew's post#468 was Scumslip. Wow. I'm at loss of my words.
But lol, go ahead and lynch Andrew. Let's see what happens. Fucking hillarious you two.

[drmyshotgun]

McStab didn't initially see your so-called "scumslip" Potack.
He was just joining the party to "pressure" Andrew.
Then, when you asked him what he saw, in your utter eagerness to check if someone shares the same opinion as you have, only then, did McStab make up some bullshit to justify his vote.

[drmyshotgun]

I like how you don't even bother defending.
It shows you know you fucked up and can't get out of it.

I like how you don't even consider McStab just flying in out of nowhere and just love him for agreeing with you.
Open your eyes, for chrissake. Don't be so overconsumed by your self-righteousness and blindly cheer up anyone who shares your "view"
You are so narrow eyed in this game, you know that?

[McStab]

I'll be out pressuring scum while you bicker with Potack or offer pithy one liners, drmyshotgun.

You've made 72 posts and they can be boiled down to this:

1. Needlessly and out of nowhere fight with Potack for 20 pages.
2. You and Andrew buddy up in the most obvious fashion ever, which at least helps in the sense that only masons or mafia could be so assured of the other (or the most gullible townie ever).
3. Claim how stupid everyone who suspects you must be (attempting to stifle discussion, a scum trait).


Now, I don't buy into the whole andrew "scumslip" wholeheartedly. His followup post however is illogical and inconsistent. Your post in his defense is useless and doesn't help at all. And, most importantly, why isn't a little pressure good? He's not at L-1 or anything drastic yet, it's simply pressing for more information. Discussion is important to the town.

If you and andrew are masons, then you really ought to contribute more to discussion beyond this silly argument with Potack - see what Soben and VisceraEyes are doing perhaps, and post reads/put pressure on people. At this point, you're tunnelling Potack and it's not adding anything new to the equation for the town to go off of.

[drmyshotgun]

Uh-huh. Now, where's that rope to strangle this Scumfuck?

[drmyshotgun]

Lol at how defensive you get and magically conjure up a nice boring old Parrot so quickly when I "pressure" you.
You don't buy Andrew's "scumslip" wholeheartedly? And yet you were very eager to show-off to Potack what you "saw"??
Little pressure doesn't hurt, eh? Fuck off. You are just pressuring a player into completely outing himself.

"Contribute more"...Funny word "Contribute". I haven't seen you do much of that yourself.
Kept pretty quiet and under the radar until now, have you?

[McStab]

McStab didn't initially see your so-called "scumslip" Potack.
He was just joining the party to "pressure" Andrew.
Then, when you asked him what he saw, in your utter eagerness to check if someone shares the same opinion as you have, only then, did McStab make up some bullshit to justify his vote.

I saw the scumslip - if you'd bothered to read the post instead of putting in some kneejerk OMGUS defense post on behalf of andrew, you would've noticed that I wrote this:

"I hesitate to think any scum could make such an obvious slip".

That's prior to Potack writing it.

The only reason I'm not confirmed 100% on you and andrew being scum is because I doubt any scumteam could be so blatantly obviously working together - either way, you've played this terribly.

Through your surefire association with andrew you've either A) Revealed you and andrew as some of the most obvious scum ever or B) Given two masons identities to the scum over a dumb fight with Potack.

[Potack-ruv]

I like how Gunny instantly assumes I think McStab is town.
I mean sure, I noticed it, do I have to say it though?

[drmyshotgun]

What is your reads on people, if you have one, that is.
What do you think of

anything

other than Andrew-Shotgun.
Exclude also Shotgun-Potack.
So let's say your vote was "pressure". What do you fucking expect?


Who is Scum to you, if your vote wasn't serious OMGTHATISSCUM, but a mere "pressure".
Do you have suspects?

P-Edit: Oh now you saw the Scumslip again?

[drmyshotgun]

I like how Gunny instantly assumes I think McStab is town.
I mean sure, I noticed it, do I have to say it though?

Oh, saying it would very much be appreciated. I no psychic you know?

[McStab]

You and andrew have outed yourselves one way or another long before I brought it to attention. As for my lack of contribution, it was related to not having the time to properly devote some solid content to the game. You see, instead of confusing town with fluff posts like you or andrew, I prefer to offer real content in my posts.

"Completely outing"? Let's be frank, half the game was referencing you and andrew as possible masons over the last few pages and were asking for clarity. If you are masons, then the scum would have to be blind and retarded to not see that claim. If you aren't masons, you're not helping your wincondition because you either outed yourself as scum or confused the hell out of everyone as a VT.

I told Potack what I saw to confirm that I was aware of what the pressure vote was, and that I wasn't sheeping. Please, stop trying to draw ridiculous conclusions and connections where there is nothing, you're only embarassing yourself.

If anything, I would say the andrew vote has been successful - your insane kneejerk defense of him reeks of scum to me.

[Potack-ruv]

Gunny, if you are going to keep defending andrew, will you just claim if you are Mason with him or not? I'm getting sick of you constantly defending andrew while you have yet to bring up one good reason for him being town. Either prove he's town, or stop defending him.

[McStab]

I have suspects - you and andrew. I pressure vote andrew and drmyshotgun comes out swinging on his behalf without addressing andrew's reaction. That vote got two super scummy reactions from you both.

As for others, I have suspected Venmar/Rainbowdash's slot, but I haven't had the time to get around to posting a bigger analysis. For now, he's on my list of people I view as scummy, but he certainly isn't topping it with these reactions.

I have town reads on VisceraEyes, Soben and RedPanda. I do have other opinions on other players obviously, but I'll need some more time (e.g. later today) to post a more comprehensive list.

[Potack-ruv]

VOTE: McStab
Lol, that last sentence gave me a really bad gutvibe.
Gunny's kneejerk reaction was not scummy at all. It was actually towny, and Gunny is now town.
Why was his reaction scummy?

PEDIT: I'm referring to the post before that one. Also hey, why no town read on me if you're going to sheep me?

[drmyshotgun]

Why, why why why?
Potack, your Question-to-each-sentence tactic would be much appreciated to McStab right now.

Yeah, we are Masons.

[drmyshotgun]

^First sentence was in reaction to McStab's #489.

[Potack-ruv]

Okay, Gunny and andrew are confirmed. I'm now sure enough in Gunny town to be sure that he's telling the truth.
Also just wait, I'll get to it soon.

[drmyshotgun]

Sleep time. I dream of that firm rope around McStab.

[McStab]

ok lynch me, if im town, lynch you.
deal?

oh wait, that wont work...

How is that helpful to the town at all?

Andrew's reactions have been nothing but scummy and poor logically. Drmyshotgun's posts have been consistent with him being partners with andrew, but that doesn't mean town at all. I will say this - I believe that if drmy or andrew flip scum, the other is almost (like 95%) certainly scum, or if one flips mason, the other is certainly mason.

I'm more satisfied now that you've claimed mason. Your connection was obvious to everyone, but only confusing town (scum would know that if you and andrew are partners, you aren't scum - town, on the other hand, wouldn't be able to discern mason or mafia till one of you flipped, and the vagueness was just muddying the waters).

With this claim, however, you're no longer a good choice for lynching today.

Unvote

If you're really mason, then tonight the scum will kill one of you, which confirms the other. If one of you don't die tonight, then you're most likely scum, or the mafia let a mason survive (helping the town out in the long run as I can't see you getting lynched if both other masons are alive). Either way, the town is in a stronger position.

Potack, I wasn't "sheeping" you. I placed a pressure vote to see what reaction it would elicit. It was a clear reaction and it cleared up the vagueness around the mason claim (which, as I said before, was only going to confuse those who can't discern between the two groups, as opposed to the scum, who would already know that two people working together aren't scum).

This OMGUS doesn't help though, drmyshotgun and andrew. If you are masons, you're wasting your time being overdefensive and not scumhunting others. I won't be voting for either of you today because of what I said above, but I seriously disagree with what you consider productive scumhunting. Tonight, I'll be making a more comprehensive post regarding who I consider scummy and townie and my rationale as to why.

[McStab]

ok lynch me, if im town, lynch you.
deal?

oh wait, that wont work...

How is that helpful to the town at all?

Andrew's reactions have been nothing but scummy and poor logically. Drmyshotgun's posts have been consistent with him being partners with andrew, but that doesn't mean town at all. I will say this - I believe that if drmy or andrew flip scum, the other is almost (like 95%) certainly scum, or if one flips mason, the other is certainly mason.

I'm more satisfied now that you've claimed mason. Your connection was obvious to everyone, but only confusing town (scum would know that if you and andrew are partners, you aren't scum - town, on the other hand, wouldn't be able to discern mason or mafia till one of you flipped, and the vagueness was just muddying the waters).

With this claim, however, you're no longer a good choice for lynching today.

Unvote

If you're really mason, then tonight the scum will kill one of you, which confirms the other. If one of you don't die tonight, then you're most likely scum, or the mafia let a mason survive (helping the town out in the long run as I can't see you getting lynched if both other masons are alive). Either way, the town is in a stronger position.

Potack, I wasn't "sheeping" you. I placed a pressure vote to see what reaction it would elicit. It was a clear reaction and it cleared up the vagueness around the mason claim (which, as I said before, was only going to confuse those who can't discern between the two groups, as opposed to the scum, who would already know that two people working together aren't scum).

This OMGUS doesn't help though, drmyshotgun and andrew. If you are masons, you're wasting your time being overdefensive and not scumhunting others. I won't be voting for either of you today because of what I said above, but I seriously disagree with what you consider productive scumhunting. Tonight, I'll be making a more comprehensive post regarding who I consider scummy and townie and my rationale as to why.

[McStab]

Sorry for double post

[Potack-ruv]

This whole masonclaim is way too vague for me to get behind.

How?

I don't think we should hammer yet by any means, nor do I want to out the masons directly, but at this point it's essentially linking two players, both of whom have been acting suspect to say the least.

"We should not lynch them, but we should not tie them together." This sounds like super horribly fake town jargen that you're only saying to look pro-town. This is really waffly and I really don't have any more bad words to describe it with.

Furthermore I hate the logic of "lynch me if im town lynch you".

Why?

So anyone who accuses you is autoscum?

What lead you to this conclusion?

Or Potack must be for attacking both you and drmy?

Same question for this.

And it doesn't help town at all to let yourself be lynched. Also, why wouldn't it work? Does that mean you're scum? I hesitate to think any scum could make such an obvious slip, but I am unsure if I'm detecting any sarcasm there or not.

What makes you think this?

The only part that "won't work" is if you aren't town.

I just think coupled with his vague mason-esque claim and poor reaction to your catch, he really deserves some attention and pressure.

Why do the mason claims make him scum or make him need pressure? If he really is the Mason (which I am now confident he is) that would just put him out in the open for the scum to shoot at any time.

[Potack-ruv]

If you really were concerned with whether or not Gunny and andrew were Masons, then why didn't you ask directly? Were you too afraid of being accused of rolefishing?