League of Legends (Old)

[TheButtonmen]

I get Dorans in lanes I'm losing but if I can farm I'd rather spend the money on items I can build into the endgame with, stacking Dorans gives you midgame strength but the role of the AD carry really doesn't need that. The reason you get Dorans in lanes you're losing is to leverage the midgame strength into the ability to farm therefore allowing you to build the items you're going to need endgame, if you not behind you're just slowing yourself down for no reason.

[Brandi]

Okay, thanks ^^;

[Ankamius]

It really depends on the matchup. If I'm a more early game based AD and getting those extra Dorans Blades would give you the edge needed to pull ahead in the lane, then I'll get them in a heartbeat. I'm the kind of player that likes zoning more than anything in the lane, so that extra advantage early on fits my style perfectly in most cases. I've seen several cases where I've been against a Vayne (and for some reason it's ALWAYS a Vayne) who went brown boots and rushed BT or something like that, and I went 2 Dorans + Vamp and she couldn't do much of anything and got completely stuck at BF Sword alone.

Then again, when I play Vayne, Trist, or Kog (ESPECIALLY Kog), I nearly always get at least those Dorans Blades because I know that if I get shut down in the early and mid game, it's game over for me. There's very little recourse from there.

[Andrius]

our pub: ad bot is fine, if I don't have a retarded support
lil g stevens: we only have retarded supports here
Kairys: :/
lil g stevens: hope you like taric
Kairys: RUBIES FOR FEEDING
Kairys: EMERALDS FOR TAKING CS
Kairys: SAPPHIRES FOR PUSHING LANES
Kairys: OPALS FOR NOT HELPING YOU

[Ankamius]

I found out (probably for the 500th time) last week that no matter how good the AD and Support is, the lane is really weak if they don't know each other well enough to lane effectively.

[RayFrost]

So uh I joined a ranked team because a lol friend asked me to.

Then he told me I'm going to be our ad carry. I have mf, trist, ashe, urgot, sivir. Order of strength: trist, sivir, mf, urgot/ashe.

Who should I be getting next for an ad? I feel like I'm generically covered for the different style of ad but I'm not entirely sure.

My understanding is trist god tier late game, decent early game, weak mid game. Mf / sivir godly mid / strong early game, slightly drop off late game - mf ult placement make/break for team fighting potential. Urgot godly early/mid game, drops off into late game. Ashe weak early, decent mid, strong late - arrow being a make or break for team fighting potential. So I'm guessing I need to get graves because fuck yeah, but aside from him who all do I really need/want? Corki? Kog'maw?

[PJ.]

also people who have a real problem with me should just say so to my face instead of being a bunch of passive-aggressive high school girls

BRING IT

I don't have a problem with you. I was the idiot who asked how he found out. I already know who told you that i asked. The reason we didn't want you to spec we didn't explicitely tell you/want you in game to spectate was cause there were certain players that dislike in-housing because it can be a hostile/condescending atmosphere. Those same people have cited you as a reason to that. I know I have shit-talked in-houses in the past, and have made a conscious effort to not do so. I don't think anyone is innocent of being a dick during in-houses, but it happens and I think instead of kinda being a dick to one person about it, we should just collectively not be dicks to each other.

Edit: Respones to JD's notes, Game 1 i played like shit cause I didn't wanna support and just was consistently out of position and just wasn't thinking. I appreciate Zito not completely bitching me out for being dumb. Game 2, idk why they invaded blue....The people on the other team have probably had a combined 40ish games with me as shaco, and graham told them exactly what i was doing and they went blue anyway. Props to zito for helping me clear their blue. Also, does anyone here play shaco? I play him a lot and i tend to do pretty well early as expected but around 30 minutes, I just don't know what I'm supposed to do. Split push? Still be trying to assassinate people? What is my role in team fights? Should I be in team fights? A lot of times I just find myself being like "what do?" and i feel i have lost some games because of it.

[esuriospiritus]

also people who have a real problem with me should just say so to my face instead of being a bunch of passive-aggressive high school girls

BRING IT

I don't have a problem with you. I was the idiot who asked how he found out. I already know who told you that i asked. The reason we didn't want you to spec we didn't explicitely tell you/want you in game to spectate was cause there were certain players that dislike in-housing because it can be a hostile/condescending atmosphere. Those same people have cited you as a reason to that. I know I have shit-talked in-houses in the past, and have made a conscious effort to not do so. I don't think anyone is innocent of being a dick during in-houses, but it happens and I think instead of kinda being a dick to one person about it, we should just collectively not be dicks to each other.

this basically; I'll also add that the majority of our discussion of whether or not to let someone cast took place before we even formed the custom game and before you were even online.

plus the casting, even if not really "serious", brings added pressure and srsmode to the game that I and others didn't want it to have. Sometimes you want someone to critique your play. Other times all you want to do is play half-seriously with 9 friends instead of 4. This was, at least for me, the latter case.

[Hinduragi]

So uh I joined a ranked team because a lol friend asked me to.

Then he told me I'm going to be our ad carry. I have mf, trist, ashe, urgot, sivir. Order of strength: trist, sivir, mf, urgot/ashe.

Who should I be getting next for an ad? I feel like I'm generically covered for the different style of ad but I'm not entirely sure.

My understanding is trist god tier late game, decent early game, weak mid game. Mf / sivir godly mid / strong early game, slightly drop off late game - mf ult placement make/break for team fighting potential. Urgot godly early/mid game, drops off into late game. Ashe weak early, decent mid, strong late - arrow being a make or break for team fighting potential. So I'm guessing I need to get graves because fuck yeah, but aside from him who all do I really need/want? Corki? Kog'maw?

Order of strength overall in terms of the entire game is more along the lines of Urgot/Ashe/Trist, Sivir/MF. If you meant who you're better with, my bad. MF arguably has the strongest early game just falling short of Draven(that Q is op but it's dumb). Get all 3 of Graves/Corki/Kog. Graves will be the most versatile so I'd pick him up first. Kog'Maw and Corki both scale really well. Corki has overall strength throughout the game. Kog can lane pretty well but has no escape(so he needs more comps centered towards him). You can get either of those two depending on your team and what they want you to run. Kog'Maw definitely has the better late game overall if it's an actual team you're playing with, though.

Panzer - Don't play Shaco all that much anymore but when I did I just split pushed when we were way behind, team fought when we were even(go in only at the right moment; you cant really jump on a carry when a malphite has ult and the enemy janna is right there with hurricane, w, e, and ult up), assassinated people by camping my barely-overextended teammates and letting them bait some poor guy into a 2v1, etc. Situational, really. You get to decide how to play him. Experience definitely helps.

[Staeg]

I know that, as usual, I'm going to be the odd one out, but I simply don't understand how anyone can take offense in JD's casting, or anyone's casting, really. I know that it's not meant to offend, but to entertain, and I actually find it fun to watch over last night's games with JD going "holy crap stag's retarded."

[RayFrost]

Order of strength overall in terms of the entire game is more along the lines of Urgot/Ashe/Trist, Sivir/MF. If you meant who you're better with, my bad. MF arguably has the strongest early game just falling short of Draven(that Q is op but it's dumb). Get all 3 of Graves/Corki/Kog. Graves will be the most versatile so I'd pick him up first. Kog'Maw and Corki both scale really well. Corki has overall strength throughout the game. Kog can lane pretty well but has no escape(so he needs more comps centered towards him). You can get either of those two depending on your team and what they want you to run. Kog'Maw definitely has the better late game overall if it's an actual team you're playing with, though.

Yeah it was order of skill level from best to worst for that strength thing (and when it comes to actual game strength I think urgot's the weakest as far as being an ad carry, then the rest are different rather than better or worse than each other).

I think kog will be the hardest for me to adjust. I can play the others because they have something built in that I'm really comfortable with using, like the spellshield blocking the taric stun initiation or just jumping with trist, etc.

Also, just realized I left ez / vayne / draven / varus off the list. I don't want vayne or varus tbh. Draven would be rough to play the q properly when I'm running 10 fps and shit (skillshots np, clicking tons of shit big problem).

I know eventually I'll want essentially all of the ad carries, but I want to know the highest priority for me to be team-comp flexible given my current lineup.

[Hinduragi]

Oh man, when you realize the power of Urgot overall, you're gonna see how fucking broken that shit is. It's so op it's dumb.

Kog is really good at harassing/poking in lane and, when they go to trade, e, w, and kite like an ashe, basically. Positioning on him and Vayne is one of the best things to be aware of. Vayne's my favorite champ in the game so I'm biased towards her but I realize she's supposed to be weak early game, etc. Varus I just don't like even though he's easy mode. Draven is op in lane but dumb everywhere else with his kit. Ez is good for burst but I think Corki is a better version of him. I just like how he feels more than Corki so I play him more often. I didn't list those 4 because I really don't think you'll need them in a ranked team if you have the others. Like I said, though Graves first. Corki or Kog depending on your team and what they want to run.

[scotmany12]

I know that, as usual, I'm going to be the odd one out, but I simply don't understand how anyone can take offense in JD's casting, or anyone's casting, really. I know that it's not meant to offend, but to entertain, and I actually find it fun to watch over last night's games with JD going "holy crap stag's retarded."

If anyone should take offense of JDs casting, it should be me. Him and BBM literally spent about 40 minutes making fun of a speech impediment I have at times. And yet I don't care because I know it was all in good fun. JD has been a pretty good caster in the past (see his games with Elmo). Why people are still upset over 6 person casting gig baffles me. It did not accurately represent anyone who did cast during those.

Point is, this is silly high school drama levels of sad and we should just move on.

[JDodge]

I know that, as usual, I'm going to be the odd one out, but I simply don't understand how anyone can take offense in JD's casting, or anyone's casting, really. I know that it's not meant to offend, but to entertain, and I actually find it fun to watch over last night's games with JD going "holy crap stag's retarded."

If anyone should take offense of JDs casting, it should be me. Him and BBM literally spent about 40 minutes making fun of a speech impediment I have at times. And yet I don't care because I know it was all in good fun. JD has been a pretty good caster in the past (see his games with Elmo). Why people are still upset over 6 person casting gig baffles me. It did not accurately represent anyone who did cast during those.

Point is, this is silly high school drama levels of sad and we should just move on.

it really is

people should have just said "hey we don't want you" instead of being secretive about it

that joking was out of line and it was admittedly so

[mykonian]

So uh I joined a ranked team because a lol friend asked me to.

Then he told me I'm going to be our ad carry. I have mf, trist, ashe, urgot, sivir. Order of strength: trist, sivir, mf, urgot/ashe.

Who should I be getting next for an ad? I feel like I'm generically covered for the different style of ad but I'm not entirely sure.

My understanding is trist god tier late game, decent early game, weak mid game. Mf / sivir godly mid / strong early game, slightly drop off late game - mf ult placement make/break for team fighting potential. Urgot godly early/mid game, drops off into late game. Ashe weak early, decent mid, strong late - arrow being a make or break for team fighting potential. So I'm guessing I need to get graves because fuck yeah, but aside from him who all do I really need/want? Corki? Kog'maw?

Kog'maw for sheer "this game has gone for 40 minutes and now you die" power, and a counterpick to certain comps which have a lot of health stackers (and you have a team with reasonable cc). JD had data that kog was (I think) the most succesful AD carry at the moment. Each time I have the luck of supporting a kog I'm surprised by the damage output he has.

Urgot made too popular at the moment, he's picked against anything. He doesn't "fall off" as much as he's just not suited to cope with multiple threats. He's a counterpick to any strategy where the opposing team tries to get one ad carry to win the endgame for them, and 4 people to shield all incoming people from him/her. Basically a game where the mid is a burst caster rather then a lategame damage dealer and they have a hypercarry (vayne, maybe kog, etc). He's esspecially a great counterpick for vayne, who lategame can't keep urgot of her, and generally needs her team to support her getting there. In that case you don't fall off, you simply 1v1 the vayne each teamfight, in which you keep having good chances if your team has enough bruisers.

EDIT: The shortest way to say it is that urgot isn't a carry. He's a ranged bruiser.

[DeathRowKitty]

Spoiler: drama-related stuff

I'm really not sure why people have a problem specifically with JD's casting. If I'm doing something really stupid, then 1) why would it be out of line for JD to say I did something stupid 2) I would want to know what I was doing wrong so I was less likely to do it in the future. I highly doubt I have thicker skin than the average scummer.

[Hinduragi]

I just don't care about the casting. The 6 person casting was terrible, though, if you want real feedback on it.

[Staeg]

why would it be out of line for JD to say I did something stupid

It's not really about the stuff that JD commentates on - it's about the way he does it, I think.

[DeathRowKitty]

He does it in a sarcastic/slightly comical way though

[Staeg]

Yeah, and that's their point - they think that he's too sarcastic/rudely comical.

[Nexus]

I'm on a three game winning streak, with different champs! Annie, Soraka and Ashe. I was pretty shit during the Ashe game - 3/3/9 but our Talon was completely fed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm on a 6 game winning streak with Sona, and am 8-2 in my last 10 >.>b.

[esuriospiritus]

That's pretty cool. Just don't be like me and hit level 30 only knowing how to play 3 champs at a decent level. Branch out some.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's pretty cool. Just don't be like me and hit level 30 only knowing how to play 3 champs at a decent level. Branch out some.

I'm probably not going to play Ranked or Unranked Draft, but if I do I'll make sure I have more options.

[mykonian]

you could do with only 3 champs, just make sure you have jungle or ad and support covered. Support is the least wanted role, mid and top the most (so you generally don't get them unless you are first/second pick). If you can support and ad or jungle, you generally can play ranked without problem, even if you are last pick.