Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[VisceraEyes]

TAM we lookin at you - you're the one who's "100% sure andrew is mason, while shotgun is not" right? Explain, now.

[The Acting Method]

Because Andrew and I are two of the mason team, Shotgun is Not.

That is why I needed to double check something. Shotgun is either Vanilla town trying to ride on the impression that he is a Mason when he isn't, or he's Scum doing the same.

[VisceraEyes]

Why is Andrew hard-defending Shotgun?

[VisceraEyes]

And there IS a third then, right? One that isn't Shotgun, lending to your certainty?

[Code_X]

Hi guys, just a quick post to say I'm currently getting pissed. Will catch up sat/sun. Posting in this game is insane!

[The Acting Method]

No clue. Masons don't get Daytalk, we only barely had enough time to introduce ourselves in the talk thread.

I'm wondering the same thing and will have to ask him.

I'm fine with a Chrimi or Rainbow Dash Lynch... I'm fine with a lynch of anyone I called a null read or a scum read.

I DO think that Shotgun should be looked into because I do NOT think his whole "Imply I'm a mason with Andrew" is good and feels like he's trying to hide behind Andrew's read.

Yes, there is. That's why I'm certain.

[Soben]

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Mason, along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].

TAM, your role PM should tell you the masons. Also don't neccesarily think Shotguns mason thing there is scum, it's stupid though very fucking stupid as is Andrews lack of explanation for his 100% town read on Shotgun now though but still want a RBD/Chrimi lynch and if you're stating that you're happy with both of them then move to them. Also VE is 1000000000% obvtown and as long as we can agree on 3 more VTs that are also so then it's auto.

[The Acting Method]

I know. That's what I did when I double checked something.

Also, I'll go with Chrimi. Chrimi's posts have felt real off to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chirmi

[Rainbowdash]

Yeah if last mason is lynchbait we can just claim and break this.

andrew
TAM (told you he was prob town)
other mason
MS
VE
potato (probably)

Thats just one short of a win right there with no crossover. Kill off the list and we are good to win.

[Soben]

The 'no lynch' list should be; Andrew, TAM, VE, Code_X, Tech, Potak and McStab/Panda just behind those.

Willing to compromise and do Chrimi first but I want RBD tomorrow if Chrimi flips scum.

Unvote, Vote: Chrimi

[Chrimi]

*sigh* RBD joins and ruins another game with his auto-win scheme or whatevs that includes me getting lynched for town.

Why does this always happen...? >.>

[VisceraEyes]

Wait wait wat.....WAIT.

Why Chrimi?

[The Acting Method]

[quote=me]Chrimi:
Pretty much seems like he's trying too hard... Could be scum in my opinion.[/quote]

Shotgun still reads scummy to me... Will have to reread Andrew to see if he has good reasons.

But yeah, I've seen nothing from Chrimi that reads more than null leaning scum.

[VisceraEyes]

I want an answer specifically from Soben, because the lynches he's pushed so far have, by my estimation, had decent reasoning behind them.

[Soben]

Chrimis reads in #285 don't read as genuine scumhunting at all, in fact it's rather just 'lump random people in town and say shotgun is scum' and when questioning about the reasoning behind some of the reads he blatantly bullshitted. Also he doesn't actually vote his one scum-read at all, just stands back, then jumps on Andrew to move to McStab later on - both of them were popularish votes at the time and come across as opportunistic voting.

Also I can see him working very well with RBD as scum - both of them haven't commented on or read the other.

[VisceraEyes]

newBork (Arugula) come confer with your peers or suffer greatly.

[Arugula]

This I don't understand. What gain is there from pressuring mason-claims; if they're masons together then obviously his reasoning behind the shotgun being 100% town thing would be him knowing it via role so pushing this angle now that a claims occurred seems pointless.

I still wasn't sold on the fact they were masons, and I wanted answers regardless. (And I still haven't gotten them)

Vote Arugula

Cute him trying to set stuff up. Goes from andrew-scum, to suddenly me and TAM scum when we get flack?

No, I listed you and TAM as scumreads, and I let up on andrew scum because he basically claimed mason.

Especially calling me scum here feels like he is just trying to setup so he can jump on my wagon late and try to call it justified.

Nope.

He ignored everything I say and basically glosses over Venmar giving some somewhat conflicted reads regarding him in the catchup.

No again. I was pretty straightforward with Venmar scum.

This doesnt even go into bork who just coasted on a potato vote for the first half of the game before throwing down an abast vote for replacing out essentially when almost the entire game was replacing out around that time for various reasons.

I can't explain that except I disagree with those points.

I can get behind some pressure on Andrew.

Vote:andrew94

This whole masonclaim is way too vague for me to get behind. I don't think we should hammer yet by any means, nor do I want to out the masons directly, but at this point it's essentially linking two players, both of whom have been acting suspect to say the least. Furthermore I hate the logic of "lynch me if im town lynch you".

So anyone who accuses you is autoscum? Or Potack must be for attacking both you and drmy?

And it doesn't help town at all to let yourself be lynched. Also, why wouldn't it work? Does that mean you're scum? I hesitate to think any scum could make such an obvious slip, but I am unsure if I'm detecting any sarcasm there or not. The only part that "won't work" is if you aren't town.

That is all you have to say after pages of discussion? And I know I am voting andrew (which I won't be after this post) but that was because I wanted answers to my questions. Your reasoning is that you don't believe the vague mason claim. Any mason claim should not be doubted if it goes uncc'd.

FoS: McStab

I like how you don't even bother defending.
It shows you know you fucked up and can't get out of it.

I like how you don't even consider McStab just flying in out of nowhere and just love him for agreeing with you.
Open your eyes, for chrissake. Don't be so overconsumed by your self-righteousness and blindly cheer up anyone who shares your "view"
You are so narrow eyed in this game, you know that?

QFT

VOTE: McStab
Lol, that last sentence gave me a really bad gutvibe.
Gunny's kneejerk reaction was not scummy at all. It was actually towny, and Gunny is now town.
Why was his reaction scummy?

PEDIT: I'm referring to the post before that one. Also hey, why no town read on me if you're going to sheep me?

Well that was a complete turnaround.

Why, why why why?
Potack, your Question-to-each-sentence tactic would be much appreciated to McStab right now.

Yeah, we are Masons.

UNVOTE: andrew

ok lynch me, if im town, lynch you.
deal?

oh wait, that wont work...

How is that helpful to the town at all?

Andrew's reactions have been nothing but scummy and poor logically. Drmyshotgun's posts have been consistent with him being partners with andrew, but that doesn't mean town at all. I will say this - I believe that if drmy or andrew flip scum, the other is almost (like 95%) certainly scum, or if one flips mason, the other is certainly mason.

McStab, stop trying to prove dr and andrew are scum. They aren't. Get over it. P-edit: Lol jk continue with proving shotgun scum.

McStab, you're vote on Potack is pure OMGUS and if drmy and andrew were scumpartners, they would have been cc'd by now. Stop trying to passively push their lynches.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: McStab

That whole interchange did not look town, and I'M 100% Sure andrew is town.

Shotgun I'm not.

VOTE: TAM
HE CLAIMED MASONS WITH ANDREW. WHAT MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED?

Because Andrew and I are two of the mason team, Shotgun is Not.

That is why I needed to double check something. Shotgun is either Vanilla town trying to ride on the impression that he is a Mason when he isn't, or he's Scum doing the same.

Say what?
UNVOTE: TAM
VOTE: drmyshotgun

I don't see town motivation in claiming masons with someone when you really aren't. The masons will just rat you out, revealing the masons, which is something scum want.

I'm fine with a Chrimi lynch too, but how can you ignore drmyshotgun lying that he is a mason? And why did it go from Rainbow to Chrimi?

[Soben]

I don't see town motivation in claiming masons with someone when you really aren't. The masons will just rat you out, revealing the masons, which is something scum want.

It's sort of a move I can see shotgun doing as both town/scum, it's a stupid move but the concept behind it is essentially to draw the night-kill as town though it can backfire significantly whereas the advantage as scum is to draw suspicion away from you for a while until a counter claim occurs if it does. I'm interested in hearing Shotguns elaborated reads and explanation behind why he thought the move was advantageous in this instance though because PoE leads towards him being possible scum but right now I want to focus solely on RBD/Chrimi since I'm fairly positive they're both scum.

I'm fine with a Chrimi lynch too, but how can you ignore drmyshotgun lying that he is a mason? And why did it go from Rainbow to Chrimi?

If you're fine with Chrimi then please join us; the 1 vote here, 1 vote there isn't helping and is creating no real pressure on anyone, the votes changed from RBD towards Chrimi because TAM seems uncomfortable with lynching RBD today or at least prefers Chrimi and at this point I'm happy seeing either lynched.

[VisceraEyes]

I want confirmation from Andrew that TAM isn't full of shit guys, wtf? This is all happening a little fast to just be accepting what's happening....

Soben right? Right? Why are you ditching your #1 stunna read for your #3 read just because your #2 read (who unconfirmed) claimed mason and said no?

[Soben]

TAM has literally zero reason to lie about this, doing so would confirm him as mafia; that means he's telling the truth and thus town.

[Arugula]

Alright.
UNVOTE: drmyshotgun
VOTE: Chrimi

Extreme FoS:

Drmyshotgun

[VisceraEyes]

But Andrew "confirmed" Shotty. TAM is saying Shotty isn't mason. That's what isn't adding up for me....Andrew was the OG "mason claim", and so I want HIM to confirm or deny what Shotty (scummy) and TAM (scummy) are saying.

I'm not lynching anyone but the pony right now until we hear more from Andrew. This was supposed to be a fun day at the fair. X(

[Arugula]

Yes, andrew does need to clear everything up, but Chrimi is still a good vote regardless.

[Soben]

And VE, fairly sure some form of compromise was needed, the votes were split 1-1-1-3-1-1 ect. with everyone stuck on their vote and not seeming as if they'd budge and since everyone has stated some form of scum or null read on Chrimi lynching him is a lot more likely than lynching RBD. Plus lynching Chrimi is only slightly worse than lynching RBD in terms of how likely I think they're scum and if I'm right and Chrimi does flip scum then the fact that he/rbd have no real interaction should make it more obvious that RBD is scum and easier to lynch.

PEdit: Andrew never explicitly said that he's masons with Shotgun, just that he thinks he's town. Now explain to me why TAM as scum would lie and say that one of the masons is actually masons with him and not with another player? It makes no sense as a scum move as it'd instantly lead towards Andrew+other masons voting him insisting that he's lying and lynching him.

[Soben]

Plus to top it of, it fits with his comments earlier about saying that he's 90% sure that Shotgun/Andrew aren't masons tonight.