Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[Voidedmafia]

AVox, I've helped pull a fakehammer gambit before (*coughBedtimeStoriescough*). Quite frankly, the way you decided to do it doesn't give anyone anything, like MoI said. Well, no, it makes you look scummier. It definitely does NOT give any connections between Arug and Whisper.

LLD just needs to go. Unhelpful, lurking, lame-ass reads, etc. I feel AVox and IceGuy are scummier, so I suppose she's one of those "can fall back on if nothing else" scumreads.

Whisper Post 442 - Considering 2/5 on the wagon prior to my L-1 had little-to-none (DCL) or crap (Vijay) reasoning, and another's I just didn't like (IceGuy), I can agree with you on the latter point.

[MagnaofIllusion]

You suspected LLD, whisper, Aurorus, vijay, Arugula, Hoopla, DCLXVI, and me. That's eight players in a three-scum game.

I’m just posting this for later when I compare this ‘damning evidence’ with Iceguy’s own list.

And you just recently said you'd lynch all of them except for whisper and Hoopla, which you dropped without an explanation.

Do you mean Post 468 where I listed those most likely to be scum if Arugula flipped Town and gave reason why I thought they were likely scum? If so congratulations on cherry-picking out of context for the loss!

You have never posted a read on Amrun, Voided, or 2m1s. You've actually completely ignored 2m1s.

Your point?

In the end, you're giving and retracting scum reads without rhyme or reason, while remaining ambivalent enough so you can safely lynch everybody when time comes.

Yup. I couldn’t possible by forming reads as the game goes along based on the information posted.

For example – I couldn’t possibly think Whispersilk’s plan was Pro-Scum, voted her for it, assessed her responses, and gotten a Town read.

In the end I think you are trying to present as scummy the fact that I don’t restrict my questions and scum-hunting to make sure I have a neat 3 person set. Which is a pretty ludicrous stance given that your last reads list was the following –

Other scum reads: Robocopter
Leaning scum: LLD, Voided
Neutral or need to post more: Amrun, 2m1s, vijay, DCL
Unfortunately probably town: MoI, Hoopla, whisper
Town: AV

You are knocking me for having too many non-Town reads when your list of scum / Neutral (aka people you want to lynch) is Arugula / Robo / LLD / Voided / Amrun / 2for1 / Vijay and DCL. That’s 8 players also. Convenient that your non-Town list is exactly the same size as the list you claim makes me scum for being willing to lynch too many people.

Cognitive Dissonance Away! Scumbag Ahoy!

I think I have to re-think my "MoI is dumbtown" stance. Here's a hint for next time: You probably should have dropped that point before I actually looked up the facts instead of posting from memory.

Lulz. Just lulz.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Iceguy

- So is Arugula scum or Town?

I'd like everyone to note that Iceguy 'came alive' to stop posting fluff AFTER the hammer was dropped ...

[Voidedmafia]

Noted.

Also, MoI, I thought you did have a read on me?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also, MoI, I thought you did have a read on me?

I do. I think it is pretty clear what it is (hint ... it's Town)

Iceguy's point is that I didn't expressly voice it in a way that he wants to present as scummy somehow. So I questioned him on that.

[whispersilk]

Hey guys! Here is the real $64k question. Was Arugula just hella bussed, or did the town just get butt-fucked because half of it's population is either vla or posting useless utter shite.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey guys! Here is the real $64k question. Was Arugula just hella bussed, or did the town just get butt-fucked because half of it's population is either vla or posting useless utter shite.

List the population half that is V/LA or posting useless shit before I move forward ...

[whispersilk]

Do you

really

need me to tell you that?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Do you

really

need me to tell you that?

Yes, I do. I want to see who YOU think is doing it.

[IceGuy]

Do you mean Post 468 where I listed those most likely to be scum if Arugula flipped Town and gave reason why I thought they were likely scum? If so congratulations on cherry-picking out of context for the loss!

Let me rephrase that for you:

""

What you said is completely irrelevant to my point.

Your point?

You have never formed a read you need to explain away when you want to lynch somebody.

Yup. I couldn’t possible by forming reads as the game goes along based on the information posted.

Except you haven't actually been forming reads based on information posted.

For example – I couldn’t possibly think Whispersilk’s plan was Pro-Scum, voted her for it, assessed her responses, and gotten a Town read.

You could have possible thought like that, but your posts don't match this claim. You attacked whispersilk long after she posted her plan, and just quietly dropped her when it became clear she wasn't the lynch for today.

In the end I think you are trying to present as scummy the fact that I don’t restrict my questions and scum-hunting to make sure I have a neat 3 person set.

No, I'm presenting as scummy the fact that you give out unreasonable scum reads like candy and never form other reads.

You are knocking me for having too many non-Town reads when your list of scum / Neutral (aka people you want to lynch)

You generally don't want to lynch Neutral reads until late in the game. You want them to post more so you can give a safe read about them.

Except of course if you're scum, your reads are fake anyway and you're and just trying to get mislynches through. Which "coincidentally" matches your behavior.

Though it's funny how you suddenly start throwing around town reads once I pressure you.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Oh look, another "No U" post from Iceguy. How quaint. I will so enjoy hanging you tomorrow (unless of course you predictably Nightkill me as scum always do when I am on to them)!

Why no commitment to whether Arugula is scum or Town Ice? Afraid to be on the record?

[IceGuy]

Oh look, another "No U" post from Iceguy. How quaint. I will so enjoy hanging you tomorrow (unless of course you predictably Nightkill me as scum always do when I am on to them)!

So your point is that you don't actually have anything to say to my post, so you resort to your usual bullshit mudslinging?

Why no commitment to whether Arugula is scum or Town Ice? Afraid to be on the record?

No, because my vote should make it obvious. To everybody but you, at least.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Let me rephrase that for you:

""

What you said is completely irrelevant to my point.

Iceguy playbook page 1 – If I can’t actually argue against it I’ll just say it is wrong or not relevant.

You have never formed a read you need to explain away when you want to lynch somebody.

Lulz. That’s what you exactly did with having 4 people “Neutral”.

Except you haven't actually been forming reads based on information posted.

You could have possible thought like that, but your posts don't match this claim. You attacked whispersilk long after she posted her plan, and just quietly dropped her when it became clear she wasn't the lynch for today.

As is typical I see an inordinant amount of proof (links to posts) supporting your position. Just “No, U” and Iceguy Page 1 play.

No, I'm presenting as scummy the fact that you give out unreasonable scum reads like candy and never form other reads.

And now we are back to you fabricating once again. Link to my posts showing scum reads on all the players you claimed. I’ll be waiting … but of course we know you can’t.

You generally don't want to lynch Neutral reads until late in the game. You want them to post more so you can give a safe read about them.

Lulz. You knock me for not forming reads but you were not able to form reads and it’s Town. Cognitive Dissonance away!!!!

Though it's funny how you suddenly start throwing around town reads once I pressure you.

Lulz. You think you are pressuring me? Lulz indeed.

Eat rope tomorrow scum!

Preview Edit

- typical incorrect rhetoric.

[Hoopla]

At least we know IceGuy and MoI aren't scum together. Lets remember this if one of them ever flips scum.

[Arugula]

Question the buddiers or do something else besides "Hey they're buddying".

Question them how? I pointed it out. I didn't find it scummy. I didn't find it town. I pointed it out. How does this make me scum?

Ask them why they buddied, pressure them on it, or ask for others' opinions. Don't just make an observation and not follow up on it. Scum do that.

That question was a JOKE. If you thought I would seriously ask that, you need a sense of humor. And I know you have been talking about his content, but you make it seem like I am just parroting you, when I am calling him out on tunneling, not lack of content.

There are no jokes in Mafia. I'm not accepting a defense of "It was a joke". No. If you didn't state it was a joke at the time of the joke, then it wasn't a joke.

Second point I'm willing to agree to. You are in fact calling him out for tunneling. not lack of content. I'll let that go. However, this has nothing to do with me being scum.

There are no jokes in mafia? Ok. So you actually thought I took a shit on his pillow? What the hell? And yes, it does have something to do with you being scum. You are painting me as parroting when I am not.

Am I supposed to say that I will flip scum?

I never said that. But instead of giving proper reasoning you went to, "Oh IM TOWN so you should feel bad when I flip." We don't know you are town. We didn't ask you if you were town. Its a load of WIFOM that doesn't needed to be added.

That's because AV said I will flip scum. I didn't just say that I am flipping town as a response to the case on me.

NOTHING WRONG WITH AV? So you think his refusal to ask questions, his lack of scumhunting, and his weak excuses are acceptable?

And there is no reason to insult me. That was not an AtE either. I said that if I die, I want AV lynched. That's it.

Yes, he is acceptable. Not obvtown. But acceptable.

There are plenty other people who should die before AV. I would not think AV is scum just because he was on your wagon.

I disagree on the first part.

And he is not scum for being on my wagon either. He is scum for outright ignoring questions and refusing to contribute.

It isn't strong enough, and you haven't commented on most of the things that have gone on.

Yeah, you think so? sucks to be you then. What have I missed? I cbf with all the mafia setup theory spec stuff.

Opportunistic vote.

FoS: Vijay

It's pretty funny how everyone that is actually around, has jumped off me and IG and straight onto Arugula without really giving good reason. vijay is probably the worst.

QFT

Well the fake hammer has at least served to strengthen the tie between whisper and arguala.

Good so when I flip town, the shitty case on whisper should come to an end.

@Magna
Robocopter is a better player and could talk his way out of being scum. AV cannot do that as well. That's why Robocopter should go first.

As a side note, AV, purposely misspelling my name isn't funny. I brought this up last time, and you continue to do it. You are just being an asshole.

Wow Amrun. Way to hammer town. Bye guys. Whisper is town too.

@Whisper
The scum team is among these people, in order:
Robocopter
AV
DCL
Iceguy

Good luck guys!
Vijay

[whispersilk]

@MoI:

Useless shite: AV, MoI, DCL, LLD and to a degree Hoopla.
VLA: vijay, 2for1, Amrun - all three somehow managing to pull off both. When they are here, they post nothing helpful to the town.

I'm somewhat disappointed in Hoop. I thought she would be scumhunting much more actively than she has been. The back and forth with Amrun was just fluff, and the back and forth with you is equally as useless as it is annoying to read. I do however understand the comment she made about being better able to read people once there has been a flip. I am also better at reading and picking up on the little tells once there has been results, especially scum flips. Hoping she

Robocopter, IG, Arugula, Voided and myself are the only people who seem to be really invested in this game. Sure, at times we've been focusing on the wrong people, but at least we were making an effort to hunt scum.

MoI, it's been mentioned before by other people - Your posts and efforts at scumhunting (if you can call it that) appear superficial and little more than someone going through the motions. You've no

real

or concrete reads, and you've yet to build a decent case against anyone. You appear to be fence sitting to keep your options open. You've made half-hearted attacks on most of the town, but never followed through with any of them, often just dropping them altogether to move onto someone else. You ask lots of seemingly pro-town questions of people, but to me, it's like there is this air of scumminess about them, like you're just waiting for someone to say something wrong, or basically anything you don't agree with, so you can make another quick superficial attack. I agree with much that Hoop and IG have said about you.

Going to stop now, because I want to get this in before the thread is locked. If you want them, and if there is time, I can and will provide evidence from your posts to back up my points against you.

[whispersilk]

@MoI:

Useless shite: AV, MoI, DCL, LLD and to a degree Hoopla.
VLA: vijay, 2for1, Amrun - all three somehow managing to pull off both. When they are here, they post nothing helpful to the town.

I'm somewhat disappointed in Hoop. I thought she would be scumhunting much more actively than she has been. The back and forth with Amrun was just fluff, and the back and forth with you is equally as useless as it is annoying to read. I do however understand the comment she made about being better able to read people once there has been a flip. I am also better at reading and picking up on the little tells once there has been results, especially scum flips. Hoping she

proves my town read on her to be valid by participating more tomorrow.

Robocopter, IG, Arugula, Voided and myself are the only people who seem to be really invested in this game. Sure, at times we've been focusing on the wrong people, but at least we were making an effort to hunt scum.

MoI, it's been mentioned before by other people - Your posts and efforts at scumhunting (if you can call it that) appear superficial and little more than someone going through the motions. You've no

real

or concrete reads, and you've yet to build a decent case against anyone. You appear to be fence sitting to keep your options open. You've made half-hearted attacks on most of the town, but never followed through with any of them, often just dropping them altogether to move onto someone else. You ask lots of seemingly pro-town questions of people, but to me, it's like there is this air of scumminess about them, like you're just waiting for someone to say something wrong, or basically anything you don't agree with, so you can make another quick superficial attack. I agree with much that Hoop and IG have said about you.

Going to stop now, because I want to get this in before the thread is locked. If you want them, and if there is time, I can and will provide evidence from your posts to back up my points against you.

Posted accidentally. Added the part in bold.

[AurorusVox]

@moi, why does vijay scum preclude you and whisper being scum?

@hoops, its the vote for argu whilst calling me town tat makes me crinkle my nose at vijay

[IceGuy]

Iceguy playbook page 1 – If I can’t actually argue against it I’ll just say it is wrong or not relevant.

Or it's just not relevant.

I said "You were suspicious of those people and quietly dropped the suspicions."

You answered "I made a post where I posted suspicions on other people."

Lulz. That’s what you exactly did with having 4 people “Neutral”.

I did it with four people, who showed little activity except for whispersilk. You did it with the entire playerlist.

As is typical I see an inordinant amount of proof (links to posts) supporting your position. Just “No, U” and Iceguy Page 1 play.

Obviously, you can't prove a negative by links. I could link to every post and say "no, that's not a decent read" but that would be pointless. And obviously, you know this, and know your request to links for posts is unfulfillable, and also obviously you are going to present this as UNDENIABLE PROOF I'm scum.

You're pathetically predictable.

And now we are back to you fabricating once again. Link to my posts showing scum reads on all the players you claimed. I’ll be waiting … but of course we know you can’t.

*yawn*

I eagerly await your post saying "Just because I want to lynch them doesn't mean they are a scumread of mine! You are scum for saying that!"

Lulz. You knock me for not forming reads but you were not able to form reads and it’s Town. Cognitive Dissonance away!!!!

That's stupid even for your standards.

Lulz. You think you are pressuring me? Lulz indeed.

It did work.

Eat rope tomorrow scum!

You know, MoI, just claiming "YOU'RE SCUM!" does not make it so.

Preview Edit

- typical incorrect rhetoric.

Thanks for accurately summarizing your post.

[Hoopla]

Hoping she proves my town read on her to be valid by participating more tomorrow.

I'll try...

[vijay2vasandani]

Well, I was just saying that this isn't the AV I know and love so I'd be wary. Take it as an FoS if uu want.

I'll read up tonight.

And yeah, I kinda have to agree with the thoughts on LLD. She's null now.

[vijay2vasandani]

Fail, I missed a whole page. Anyway, VM is town.

[Voidedmafia]

Fail, I missed a whole page. Anyway, VM is town.

MORE THAN THAT, GODDAMMIT!

Whisper, I suppose I can agree to quick attacks from MoI, but I doh't think his attacking of IceGuy is superficial. He's been going at it for most of the day (or at least since IceGuy's wagon was nearing being lynched), and while I will admit that I might be looking through confirmation bias, I just haven't seen much from IceGuy that dissuades me from thinking he's town.

[Quilford]

Game Board

Spoiler: Activity Log

Code: Select all

MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

MagnaofIllusion has used both his daily flip and collect.
Hoopla has used both her daily flip and collect.
AurorusVox has used both his daily flip and collect.
IceGuy has used both his daily flip and collect.
Lady Lambdadelta has used both her daily flip and collect.
Arugula has used both his daily flip and collect.
2minds1soul have used both their daily flip and collect.
Robocopter87 has used both his daily flip and collect.
whispersilk has used both her daily flip and collect.
DCLXVI has used both his daily flip and collect.
vijay2vasandani has used both his daily flip and collect.
Amrun has used both her daily flip and collect.
Voidedmafia has used both his daily flip and collect.

Day 1

>>>

Arugula

(7) DCLXVI, IceGuy, Robocopter87, AurorusVox, vijay2vasandani, Voidedmafia, Amrun

<<<

IceGuy

(1) MagnaofIllusion

Hoopla

(1) Lady Lambdadelta

Robocopter87

(1) Arugula

whispersilk

(1) 2minds1soul

AurorusVox

(1) whispersilk

DCLXVI

(1) Hoopla

Not Voting

(0)

At 7 votes, a lynch has been achieved. Mod scene approaching...

You banked 4 days' worth of time for tomorrow's deadline.

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.
2minds1soul has declared V/LA for a week from Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:48.04 am (AEST).
Lady Lambdadelta has declared V/LA for the coming weekend.
Amrun has declared V/LA until Mon, Jul 9, 2012.

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[Quilford]

End of Day 1

You're riding home on your preferred mode of transport after a busy day at work. What could be more soothing than whipping out your handy mobile device and rearranging less and less plausible three letter words in a relaxing game of Words with Friends? You start up the app. Huh. There's a new game on the menu. You don't remember trying to start one. You frantically scroll down the list of games. It's your turn in all of them. Man, you're already lurking out your seven other games, you don't want to deal with another! (Although you secretly suspect your opponents are cheating. You're pretty sure ISOHYET and PLOTZ aren't in the average layman's vocab.)

So yeah, the fact is you can't handle any more games at the moment. You've gotta go deal with Hanging with Friends and Tiny Tower, after all. But just as you're about to delete the game, you notice that a little red bubble has appeared. Your prospective opponent has said something to you. Weird. Better check it out. You open the Chat tab:

"YOU MUST PLAY THIS GAME."

Whoa whoa whoa. Like you said, you're up to your ears already. No time for more, stranger. Sorry. (Besides, you don't like being told what to do by anonymous internet people. Especially when they're speaking in all caps.) You hit the delete button without a second thought.

Nothing happens. The button depresses and springs up again, but the game isn't removed. You hit it a couple more times, but it's when you close and re-open the app that you notice that the red bubble has reappeared.

"YOU CANNOT DELETE THIS GAME. PLAY THE GAME."

No, siree. You're irritated by this fellow's demeanour. He should at least turn off caps lock. You compose a short response telling him where he can shove it.

"VERY AMUSING. PLAY THE GAME. OR DIE."

A chill washes over you. Who is this guy? You have a feeling he's not kidding you. As your skin prickles, your device vibrates with the tone of an incoming SMS. Lots of incoming SMSes, in fact. You read through them. Thirteen of your friends are saying that they've been threatened by a stranger in an unsolicited game of Words with Friends, just like you! You tell them that perhaps you should all just play the games. When you get home, you organise an IM convo with them. You'll each do your best to defeat these sinister gamers, and teaming up should increase your chances of winning. You wonder what will happen if you don't...

Everyone's focused around your game, trying to compose a response to KWANZA using the letters EEIWXQJ, when one of your friends -- going by the screen name of Arugula -- reports that his opponent has just played QUIXOTRY on a triple word score for 365 points. It's a lost cause, you realise, and you force Arugula to forfeit his game. You just can't have wounded members dragging you down, sad as it may be.

>>>

Arugula,

VNL TWN

, forced to quit Day 1!

<<<

It is now Night 1.

All submissions for night actions must be in within (expired on 2012-07-02 23:02:44).