Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[Potack-ruv]

Also willing to get behind a Chrimi lynch. If only because he's been pretty useless so far.
McStab is scum. Soben is scum (because he kept agreeing with me way too much early game, like he was trying to get on my good side). Techno is also scum.
However, if Chrimi flips scum, Soben is probably town, as he is my least confident of my scumreads.

I would post a lot less if AcRv was here more often, as right now I feel I have to carry ourselves through the game without him here.
However, to be less annoying, I'll try and avoid so much posting, to do this, I'll wait at least two hours before posting again unless something really urgent happens.

[RedPanda]

I'm BACK

[Arugula]

I don't like Soben's insistence on VE being town and defending everything he says and does. VE can defend himself.

I actually think Rainbowdash is more likely scum than Chrimi because Rainbowdash keeps talking about mislynching Chrimi when there is zero evidence of Chrimi town. Seriously, I can't find a townie post by Chrimi.

McStab is moving up the scum ladder to me. His reads list parroted everyone else in the game.

Can we lynch Rainbow first?

[RedPanda]

To sum up.

Scummy - Techno, RainbowDash - purely due to Venmar, VisceraEyes - purely due to Absta,

you're awesome bro.


This guy's town.

I'm betting on it.

Meta means everything to me Code... There are more individual scum and towntells than there are universal ones. You know how I play as scum. You've played through two scumgames with me and watched how I try to avoid the noose. You should know better that I wouldn't do this as scum, which leads me to a very disturbing conclusion... You are likely scum.

"Why just these two, meh?"

Misrep. I have loads of towntells.


Your entire suspicion on me seems to be revolving around my townread on Venmar. How does that make me scum? Is Venmar scum? Or is Venmar scum simply because I am defending him? You want to potentially lynch me based on a hunch that I am protecting scum-buddy Venmar? No flip, and you are already calling out the scumteams.

My '239' is me being overly gutted. Venmar is probably my favourite person to play with on mafiascum, and I was looking forward to him being in the game. Again, this could ONLY be construed as scummy if Venmar is scum. Where's the logic? Where's the logical, calculated, 'non-smeary based on one possible tell' Code gone?

I'm guessing out the window with his lack of town role PM.

Vote: Code_X

pressure vote for now. I would still rather a drmy lynch at this stage (must be your scumbuddy since you stuck up for him, oh my!/sarcasm), but I await your post-ISO post with eager anticipation.

Bad post bro.

[RedPanda]

And Soben. I don't believe that Shotgun and Andrew are Masons Together. Yes there is a reason to this. But I'm 90% sure they are not Masons TOGETHER.

no I'm pretty sure they are.

or the real masons are doing a bad job

[RedPanda]

Also the reason I went before andrew was because I already got a mason vibe from him.

[RedPanda]

Srs though, is there any way that slot is town? I went through Venmar AND Rd's ISOs and I honestly can't imagine those posts in that context coming from a town-aligned player. Help me out here, because the pony is fighting it and I'm prone to buyer's remorse, so I want to be sure.

Im town because my role is VT.

Really though, how does it at ALL help me to enter a game replacing somepony who replaced out in a shitty sitaution and then immediately turn around and start attacking everypony who is regarded as town? Easiest play in the world as scum is to just pick up one of the wagons that has some backing to it, and either ride it to a mislynch or bus, claim mason if needed even with a random townie to get good reactions for who could be a real mason.

How does ANYTHING I have done help me as scum? It just gets me killed faster.

Also thats a yes you are going to look at RP again after I flip? I just dont want this to be another one of those situations where I die and then my scum read gets away because everypony doesnt look back at stuff.

But yeah I agree with this.

people who flip town. Their reads are sacred.

I'm town. Its easy for me to prove I'm town by catching scum.

[RedPanda]

I'm already looking at RP - he was crying about people scumhunting earlier and then policy voted my slot. I think he might be scum. But that doesn't change the fact that I think you're scum either. It's nothing personal, I just think you're playing for a different team than me. *shrug*

I'm sorry.

It wasn't a policy vote.

I still think your slot replaced out because hes scum because he was pressured into being useful.

[RedPanda]

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

Come on.

Don't keep telling us what you would have done if you were scum.

I don't listen to arguments like that.

[RedPanda]

If you're really mason, then tonight the scum will kill one of you, which confirms the other. If one of you don't die tonight, then you're most likely scum, or the mafia let a mason survive (helping the town out in the long run as I can't see you getting lynched if both other masons are alive). Either way, the town is in a stronger position.

bad logic.

They're confirmed masons.

if they're scum claiming masons.

then the real masons are just retards for not counterclaiming them

[RedPanda]

I mean Chirmi has jumped on Andrew/Shotgun/McStab but hasn't stated a single mention or read of Venmar/Rainbow and neither of Rainbow/Venmar stated a read or anything about Chrimi in fact Rainbow has thrown him at the end of his 'want to lynch' pool with no reasoning attached to it whatsoever. The connection between those and TAM work perfectly as a scum-team plus individually they're all incredibly scummy.

The lynch should be in one of them 3 today, not McStab or Tech or any stupid other wagon.

Soben's town after this.

I was being paranoid before.

Felt people were buddying too much to me.

But yeah this seals it.

[RedPanda]

Not just that though; your read on RP hasn't even been explained but you're insisting on it being sheeped, you state a scum-read on me or consideration that I'm scum (Which I'm pretty sure is impossible to come from you as town given how obvious/apparent my town vs scum meta is) while at the same time appealing to me and you've got Code_X thrown into the 'lynch later' pile when his entrance post comes across as incredibly obvtown - not just that though you have a 'null' read on Chrimi when his voting pattern is incredibly opportunistic.

its rainbowdash playing the paranoid card.

Unvote vote rainbowdash

or chrimi I can go either way.

[Chrimi]

Alright.
UNVOTE: drmyshotgun
VOTE: Chrimi

Extreme FoS:

Drmyshotgun

Yes, andrew does need to clear everything up, but Chrimi is still a good vote regardless.

Oh no you don't.

Your POV:
Drmyshotgun is extremely scummy, Good reason to vote
Andrew needs to clear everything up, I should pressure him, Good reason to vote
I'm scum, People are starting to wagon on Chrimi, Good reason to vote

VOTE: Arugula

[Chrimi]

I won't be voting rainbow today, because:
1. This is his town meta
2. I'm getting the same hardcore town reads off of him that I did in our other game
3. There are much more scummier people lurking around

[VisceraEyes]

I'm already looking at RP - he was crying about people scumhunting earlier and then policy voted my slot. I think he might be scum. But that doesn't change the fact that I think you're scum either. It's nothing personal, I just think you're playing for a different team than me. *shrug*

I'm sorry.

It wasn't a policy vote.

I still think your slot replaced out because hes scum because he was pressured into being useful.

Well that's just like...your opinion man.

Want to comment on my slot's contribution now instead of giving your outdated opinion again?

[Soben]

McStab is scum. Soben is scum (because he kept agreeing with me way too much early game, like he was trying to get on my good side). Techno is also scum.

I actually didn't agree with much of your play or reads earlier in the game and agree with almost none of them right now.

I don't like Soben's insistence on VE being town and defending everything he says and does. VE can defend himself.

This game is won through shared town-reads on VT players, insistence and drumming in the point that players like VE are town is what's going to lead this towards a relatively easy town win and sure he can defend himself but Andrews not going to listen to him.

Can we lynch Rainbow first?

Didn't think there was the support for it earlier but considering that a bunch of players (RedPanda, McStab ect.) seem to agree with it then yes, we can.

Unvote, Vote: RBD

[RedPanda]

I'm already looking at RP - he was crying about people scumhunting earlier and then policy voted my slot. I think he might be scum. But that doesn't change the fact that I think you're scum either. It's nothing personal, I just think you're playing for a different team than me. *shrug*

I'm sorry.

It wasn't a policy vote.

I still think your slot replaced out because hes scum because he was pressured into being useful.

Well that's just like...your opinion man.

Want to comment on my slot's contribution now instead of giving your outdated opinion again?

Yeah it is my opinion and that was my reason for the vote.


your rainbowdash push is good

But Can you tell me what this is all about.

Wait wait, there are 3 masons according to the OP who operate as a team is what it looks like to me.

We really need some clarity from the Mason claims.

Fuck this, it's mason claim time imo.

We have 2 mason claims (shotgun, Andrew) when there should be 3 masons. Only the third mason knows if the first two are telling the truth, so I think the third mason shoud claim.

TAM seems to be soft-claiming third mason, but I'm tired of this shit. We need hard claims to sort out this mess. Anyone opposed?

I can't imagine the third is like, a recruiting mason or anything (too powerful imo, ymmv) so I can't think of a good reason why the third isn't confirming claims so we can get down to the business of lynching scums.

Hey if we have a mason death N1 and N2, killing the third mason's partners, then what is the advantage of not having a mason death N3? At that point the third mason is just another VT right? Unless there's some sort of recruiting mechanic?

I honestly don't see a downside at this point, and it would clear up a LOT of junk.

Are you pretending to be a newb?

[Soben]

Alright, heading out won't be online for 24ish hours and SH is off his face drunk so guessing he won't be either.

I suggest people move towards RBD in the meantime.

[drmyshotgun]

VOTE: RBD

[TeChNoWC]

@Red: You critiqued VE's reasoning on outting the masonry.

If drmy is not the last mason as TAM claims, should the last mason out him/herself?

[Potack-ruv]

Of course they should, no point in holding back now.

[drmyshotgun]

Of course they should, no point in holding back now.

"They"??

[andrew94]

@Red: You critiqued VE's reasoning on outting the masonry.

If drmy is not the last mason as TAM claims, should the last mason out him/herself?

if you believe i am a mason, then drmy is the last mason. This is called trust.
that question is thus void, and potack is rolefishing more....

[andrew94]

and even for some reason drmy is not, why the hell would the imaginery mason reveal him/herself.

we all know im mason, thats good enough.

[TeChNoWC]

Of course they should, no point in holding back now.

Elaborate?