Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[drmyshotgun]

I see that Potack is incredibly interested and highly invested in this out-them-masons project.

[Potack-ruv]

Look, I just want to end this Mason talk, and with everyone speculating about whether or not your claims are true, I think the best option right now is just to get all of you to confirm each other as partners.

[Potack-ruv]

If someone else out there is an actual Mason and they haven't claimed yet, they should claim as it will definitely out scum because there can't be more than 3 masons.

The 'they' is just me referring to the unconfirmed-to-even-exist Mason in a non-gender specific way.

[TeChNoWC]

Look, I just want to end this Mason talk, and with everyone speculating about whether or not your claims are true, I think the best option right now is just to get all of you to confirm each other as partners.

I'm not liking this response.

Rolefish, or don't rolefish. Don't play middle ground.

Why is it good for the masonry to be completely honest? How will three conftowns that will all be dead come D4 win the game for town?

Pedit: he or she is the actual gramatically correct term when talking about an individual of unspecified gender. We use 'they' colloquially when referring to unknown individuals but this is actually an incorrect use of the word. Just being anal

How would it out scum?

[drmyshotgun]

All Masons are out-ed already. This conversation is over.

[Mortontfrh]

Vote Count 1.14

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

RainbowDash

(5): L-2

- Code_X, VisceraEyes, RedPanda, Soben, Drmyshotgun

Chrimi

(2) - The Acting Method, Arugula

Arugula

(2) - RainbowDash, Chrimi

McStab

(1) - Potack-Ruv

VisceraEyes

(1) - Andrew94

Code_X

(1) - TechnoWC

Not Voting:

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-07-07 16:41:00)

[TeChNoWC]

All Masons are out-ed already. This conversation is over.

So TAM is trying to protect you?

[Om of the Nom]

If the Masonry aren't completely honest, we'll never know and the scum will be able to WIFOM town with it. If the Masonry are honest, the scum won't be able to WIFOM us and it will give us conf. towns to lower the lynch pool. So at this point there is literally no reason not to claim.

It would obviously out scum because then we would have had 4 Mason claims, which means one person

has

to be lying.

PEDIT: Thank you, Gunny.

[drmyshotgun]

This game, Mafia, is run on trusts. If you can't trust all of us, then, so be it.
I don't know what TAM was doing at that point, because I'm no psychic and QT is not open on Days.

By the way, Om, your fakeclaim = Scum is not entirely correct

[TeChNoWC]

If the Masonry aren't completely honest, we'll never know and the scum will be able to WIFOM town with it. If the Masonry are honest, the scum won't be able to WIFOM us and it will give us conf. towns to lower the lynch pool. So at this point there is literally no reason not to claim.

It would obviously out scum because then we would have had 4 Mason claims, which means one person

has

to be lying.

PEDIT: Thank you, Gunny.

No it wouldn't. Andrew claimed gunny was a mason, not gunny himself.

Lying isn't necessarily a scumtell, particularly in this situation. Lying makes all the sense in the world as town, in this situation. The supposed 'last mason' outting would not find scum at all. Are you saying someone would be CCd? This is incredibly bad logic. Drmy could definitely be a non-mason and still town.

I actually think it would make far more sense for scum-drmy to have said 'ah, andrew, what are you smoking? I'm not a mason, ima VT. Let's lynch this lying scum.'

Town drmy would more likely go along with it.

Hence, I think drmy is town either way.

[TeChNoWC]

This game, Mafia, is run on trusts. If you can't trust all of us, then, so be it.
I don't know what TAM was doing at that point, because I'm no psychic and QT is not open on Days.

By the way, Om, your fakeclaim = Scum is not entirely correct

It runs on distrust as much as it does trust.

[Potack-ruv]

I trust you guys, but I'm not everyone. As evidenced by the majority of the discussion going on there are still people who don't trust you guys.

The only reason I can think of fakeclaiming Mason as town would be to draw away a NK from a real Mason, but at this point with several Mason claims a Mason fakeclaim is stupid because the real Masons will just try to vote that person because they know they aren't their partner.

[Potack-ruv]

If someone were to claim Mason right now, they would most likely be town, because claiming Mason after a supposed Mason team has already claimed will almost always get you some pressure, and scum wouldn't want to have that. Which means one of the supposed Mason team is lying.

[Potack-ruv]

Actually disregard that last sentence, it doesn't work in that example.

[TeChNoWC]

I trust you guys, but I'm not everyone. As evidenced by the majority of the discussion going on there are still people who don't trust you guys.

The only reason I can think of fakeclaiming Mason as town would be to draw away a NK from a real Mason, but at this point with several Mason claims a Mason fakeclaim is stupid because the real Masons will just try to vote that person because they know they aren't their partner.

Hold up, hold up. I'm talking about the possibility of ONE mason not being outted yet, and drmy not being an actual mason. He was the only one to be doubted by the mason group when TAM said he wasn't the last mason.

Based on THIS logic, drmy is POSSIBLY lying to draw an NK, while most likely the other two are indeed masons.

In this instance, scum will kill drmy last, because they are less sure he is a mason. So his attempt to protect the last mason (if this is the case), is folly, because by the time drmy is dead, the last mason will just become a regular VT, except that they can CC scum stupid enough to claim it.

[drmyshotgun]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, WIFOMs here and there. Suck on that Scumfucks.
Move on and let's sheep on RBD.

[TeChNoWC]

My logic isn't WIFOM. It's what WILL happen if you are lying. I can't see anything else but that happening.

[TeChNoWC]

Unless of course, more than just you are lying. But I would have expected a CC by now if that were the case.

[andrew94]

to be honest not really.
if shotgun was lying, that means im lying too, and that means im scum? but tam said hes mason with me so.... i cant be scum. and if the last mason steps out that would mean he and I are contradicting each other, which is just plain retarded.


to specific people that know what im talking about, go look at post 5. There is no benefit at all. none at all!

[TeChNoWC]

andrew, why did you feel the need to claim so early? Can't you see how outting your whole mason team, if you are telling the truth, has lowered town's chances of winning dramatically?

You basically tipped the game by outting all the PRs.

[drmyshotgun]

Mostly my fault though.
I didn't want this either. Not sure why TAM had to out himself.

[TeChNoWC]

Mostly my fault though.
I didn't want this either. Not sure why TAM had to out himself.

I thought andrew outted him.

How was it your fault?

[drmyshotgun]

Because I was so retarded in this game?

[TeChNoWC]

Because I was so retarded in this game?

You could have just claimed mason individually. If you are a mason no one would CC you other than scum, and that would be great for town anyway. I don't see why andrew had to bring himself into it, but anyway.

[drmyshotgun]

I replaced back in because I thought I'd leave so much burden and retard-slot to my replacee.
I had to get back into the game to play myself not leave all the dump to another player to clean up.

P-Edit: Andrew's been calling me 100% TOWN from the early stage of this game. Well, that could only mean one thing.
If I got replaced, I'd be letting him down majorly.