Mini 1348- Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga Mafia (Game Over)

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MattP

[Slandaar]

You implied your claim was town-only

But its clearly not

You are scum.

lol

I am scum because I claim my claim is a townclaim?

[pappums rat]

Votecount 1.16

snifit - 1 (PeregrineV)
MattP - 4 (JohnnyFarrar, iDanyboy, snifit, BK201)
dicknose - 1 (MattP)
iDanyboy - 1 (Acosmist)
Slandaar - 3 (Thor665, Yates, dicknose)
Yates - 3 (Agent_Ireland, Slandaar, Benmage)

Not voting - ()

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 5, 2012.

[Thor665]

Unvote: Slandaar
Vote: Acosmist

Basically, for the reasons Benny-boy mentioned. Unlikely to have a lack of Goku and sans counter claim... Back to Benny and me arguing Yates or Aco scum again, yay!

@Ben - your thoughts on dicknose calling fake to the Goku claim? Seems ballsy for scum, yeah?

[Yates]

So I just wikied "Goku" and see he is the "main protagonist" in DBZ. If Slandaar is claiming VT on a role that seems like it could have been a PR, then that seems like a ballsy fake claim unless he is trying to lure the real Goku into a cc.

Am I wrong in thinking Goku is likely a PR? If not, am I wrong in thinking real Goku might not want to counter claim?

[Acosmist]

f not, am I wrong in thinking real Goku might not want to counter claim?

O_O

A 1 for 1 trade would be bad HOW?!!?!?

[Thor665]

@Yates - Goku is the main character, as you are aware. He is as likely to be a PR as a main character is to be a PR in this mod's setups.

Why are you asking us about this? You already seem to have all the information you need to draw a conclusion.

[PeregrineV]

Thor and Ben, can you restate you reasons for voting Slandaar?

His move and reasons for the move onto the AI wagon combined with previous actions regarding his dicknose push and the way he responded to questioning thereof.

People keep asking, I keep repeating.
No one has asked a follow up yet.

Awesome. Post finding and reading. I'll do this when next motivated.

Move to Agent

Through the entire game, psyche has been vote hopping.

Most townies have only one ability, their own vote. Why not use it?

Ireland thinks town should use their votes
Psyche was vote hopping (ie using his vote) Psyche is scummy for vote hopping

Its a Contradiction.

The whole posts a waffly mess but this highlights Ireland just wants on the Psyche wagon and really doesn't care about the reasoning.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Agent_Ireland

Dicknose push:

Spoiler: Slandar quotes re Dicknose

Dick: you dont seem as confident here; Your bluntness is nowhere to be seen.

Psyche is some crazy guy who doesn't have a clue why he does what he does... is this a scum trait? probably not. Hes just being too careless.

MattP is right re Aco, I basically had the same opinion. Acos mindset is town re threatening lynches because in his mind hes in the right. Its hard to fake especially when you don't know how it will be interpreted.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dicknose

You don't know my meta well enough if you think I'd play intentionally different from my town play. You can take this as a "would I do this as scum?" defense, but it obviously isn't working for me in this game and I'd already learned that in Newbie 1173.

Is it intentional?

You think i'm voting you because I think you are

intentionally

playing different to your town meta?

Too much work to explain in depth

If you want to see the difference read through; this Or the whole game to get a feel of context.

For example this his second post, read the tone, then read the linked, difference is clear. Why did you do this and this nd this and this... it goes on and on.
Its waffling, not bluntness; to the point etc.

And I chose that post because its the first one in his ISO to demonstrate, not that its the best one to do so with.

Even the afamed 117 post is waffling. Like that is the issue basically.
158 is another

OK im stopping there

The difference is pretty clear if you read the linked game.

What I would like to know Thor, is why when dick basically owns up to the differences, you are wasting time getting me to explain this?

I never said you thought I was doing it intentionally.

You don't know my meta well enough

if you think I'd play intentionally different from my town play.

The point is;
When I voted you, there is no way I could know its intentional or not (and I would never assume it was)

I'm trying to be less dick, more nose by not accusing people of being scum every other post. Apparently the only difference is that I'm posting fluff, though. I don't think that has anything to do with confidence, but bluntness, sure.

Slandaar's free to explain how that makes me scum.

Again; you are implying I think you are scum for playing intentionally different.

You

are

playing different ergo I assumed scum.
The fact is you don't seem to acknowledge if you play differently to your town meta people will suspect you as scum.

It doesn't make a lot of sense...
-You do NOT think I think its intentional
-But you also don't understand why I think you are scum for playing differently? (264)

You clearly didn't put the time in to look into it properly and were very quick to dismiss something which is clearly correct based on Dicknose's admissions.

He is playing differently, to explain the differences would take a huge amount of time and really isn't worth the effort, but he is.

You didn't really care/didn't put the effort in to figure out if what I said is correct.

Its strange because It leaves me at an impass, it makes a lot of sense for you as scum and dicktown to breeze over and dismiss it because you would assume the differences are not there. It also makes sense from lazytown which you do not appear to be or town who is just too sure of themselves.

I am considering which it is.

Yeah, his own admission of how he's playing different has nothing to do with bluntness or aggression like you suggested earlier. Are you calling his description of how he's playing different true or false at this stage?

I think that his assessment of what he was looking to change is fair and probably makes the initial argument null.

I think what he said aligns with my points. If hes asking more questions hes not making statements therefore seems less confident or less to the point/blunt

(also, you missed the possibility that I'm just a fast reader and more clever than you and so spotted the difference or lack thereof super quick...maybe that would be hard though since the difference is so subtle and awesome it can barely be described!)

See above, I am sure I am right. Dick admits to differences, you said you saw none. You are wrong, but this does fit with 'town too sure of themselves'.

I probably could have been clearer. I'm saying I'm playing intentionally different from my town play. If, based on on that, you think I'm scum, you're wrong.

I never thought you were scum based on you playing intentionally different.

You think, whether it's intentional or not, that I'm playing differently than I've played in on game as town and therefore am scum. You won't show how it's similar to how I've played as scum or how the difference by itself is scummy, so you don't have a case.

2 games.

I think you are scum.

See im pretty sure if you were town you would have said 'im playing intentionally different' when I accused you and understood why I thought you were scum.

Instead I get some waffly junk which isnt clear;

Dick: you dont seem as confident here; Your bluntness is nowhere to be seen.

You don't know my meta well enough if you think I'd play intentionally different from my town play. You can take this as a "would I do this as scum?" defense, but it obviously isn't working for me in this game and I'd already learned that in Newbie 1173.

It just makes no sense in context.

Its like Dick skips a section of the conversation straight to his defence.

His move as scum to the dicknose wagon did nothing but even it up with Psyche. That plus the fact he argued so much for his vote doesn't seem like it comes from scum.

[MattP]

I don't want my disinterest with this game to result in a town lynch. For all that it's worth, I think dicknose's calling of BS reads town so I change my read on him.

GL town!

Request Replacement

[Thor665]

Okay, you've proved you don't see the caseand didn't look at my posts explaining why I thought it was scummy.

Sheep me anyway, or at least do anything proactive to try to get snifittown lynched so you at least look like you're trying to help town as opposed to sidelining your vote and being generally not a help.

[snifit]

Hmm. Finally biting the bullet and replacing out suggests town. :/

Thor--why Acosmist?
Benmage--why Yates?

[JohnnyFarrar]

OK, caught up, though not fully understanding.

UNVOTE:
for a slew of good reasons.

BK, that was one weakass vote on Matt. Why the switch from Dany?

Pere, no vote with all that reading?

Someone wanna give me the quick version/link of the case on Yates? I just read the ISO and didn't see anything voteworthy...

Still have to read Slandaar, but I dislike this Goku talk. Goku is probably the most obvious choice for a PR in this setup, so I don't like the half-assed-almost-claim. The real Goku probably just doesn't want to counterclaim because he hasn't had the chance to do anything yet. It tells me nothing about Slandaar except he's ballsy if he's scum.

[Acosmist]

Uh if someone is holding information that will lynch scum then MS is bad.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Uh if someone is holding information that will lynch scum then MS is bad.

???

[Bricktoes]

How was that an "almost" claim?

[Acosmist]

Uh if someone is holding information that will lynch scum then MS is bad.

???

If someone else is Goku, then Slandaar is not Goku. We can safely lynch him as lying scum. If someone is holding back on that information, preventing us from trading with scum, then mafiascum is collectively bad at mafia.

[Acosmist]

How was that an "almost" claim?

Also, this is a good question.

[JohnnyFarrar]

How was that an "almost" claim?

That was my brain saying "He

can't

be serious!" I almost want to believe he's telling the truth based on how insane that claim is otherwise. But Goku would be a PR, wouldn't he?

[Acosmist]

How was that an "almost" claim?

That was my brain saying "He

can't

be serious!" I almost want to believe he's telling the truth based on how insane that claim is otherwise. But Goku would be a PR, wouldn't he?

Wow, this completely contradicts the logic of your previous post.

[Acosmist]

UNVOTE: , VOTE: Johnny

[Acosmist]

note to self, if Slandaar is scum MattP more likely to be scum

there, I won't lose that

[JohnnyFarrar]

UNVOTE: , VOTE: Johnny

have you nothing better to do with your vote?

[JohnnyFarrar]

note to self, if Slandaar is scum MattP more likely to be scum

there, I won't lose that

Why?

[Benmage]

@Yates - Goku is the main character, as you are aware. He is as likely to be a PR as a main character is to be a PR in this mod's setups.

Why are you asking us about this? You already seem to have all the information you need to draw a conclusion.

Come sail away come sail away come sail away with me....

Yates is way too good to drop some malarkey like "the hero must be a PR, wtf"... come on.

You know you wanna vote him.

[Benmage]

Benmage--why Yates?

Gut + PoE.