NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Code_X]

Investigating me is fine my end.

[Benmage]

Codex, you're clearly watching the thread... why haven't you looked at SC more thoroughly?

[RachMarie]

umm guys I can only investigate one at a time and with the maxwell/psyche dynamic I figured one of them who is not lynched would be good. Now that we seem to be more focused on SC, do you still want me to go with one of them?

@ Code if you are saying being investigated is fine with you KNOWING there is a cop that means one of two things:

Either you know somehow I will be blocked again (highly unlikely since both role blockers and the GF are dead, I can't imagine there is ANOTHER roleblocker.)

or you know you will come up town. If you are town please BE toiwn, There is NO guarantee I will survive to the end. I have to do my best to make my investigations COUNT. (IE investigate likely scum).

[Benmage]

Sticking to psyche and maxwell are fine as it will also alleviate the pressure to lynch them, which obviously several feel.

That said. You should be voting SC.

[Benmage]

OHHH NO HAMMERS BEFORE REDFF CHECKS IN.

gotta make sure doc protects the cop. yada yada

[Psyche]

but maxwell's fine. there is no reason to scan him.

[RachMarie]

I would like to hear from Red too .

[HezLucky]

Unvote, Vote: SC

Welcome to L-1

[Code_X]

@ Code if you are saying being investigated is fine with you KNOWING there is a cop that means one of two things:

Does this not strike people as a concern?

I'm trusting you at present. Got nothing to do with knowing, but you seem unsure about your role. Why is this?

And I'd say at this point if we are near lylo it wouldn't surprise me for scum to be pulling a few gambits. Doc has survived one night which bugs me - albeit Red looks town on his play regardless of role (attacking Fire etc), but TML was scummy prior to his claim and the Cop claim could easily be fabricated.

@ Benmage. I'm not ignoring SC - but I need to Iso him and the dead scums and their interactions with Praetyre and GreyIce also before even considering voting him. There should be no rush for anyone to hammer or end the day yet. So allow me 24 hours to at least look at him.

[redFF]

gotta make sure doc protects the cop. yada yada

yes

[redFF]

i might die tonight, so if nobody hammers before i make a post later that would be ncie

[DLG]

Alright, there's no need to rush this.

A couple of people evidently still have things to say, including me.

Will get to that later today, I hope.

For now, I'm just going to register an objection that Psyche and Benmage are suddenly being annointed as the de facto Town saviors. I can accept that Benamge is trying to accomplish a Town wincon. There's no way I can accept that about Psyche. And, this easy acceptance of him as Town because he perked up and did a little analysis when he should have been lynched is just flat out lazy.

It's like all a scum has to do is do nothing, make sure they avoid having a vote out at the end of a Day, fight their own lynch when pressured, then post some words, then presto, they are annointed Town fer suuuure, dude.

[DLG]

@ StrangerCoug in response to # 2945.

Explain how it is out of place.

What I think is out of place with you claiming a mild scum read on OhGodMyLife is that I don't see where you expressed that sentiment prior to his flip. Claiming that stance after the fact seems disingenuous and kind of distancing from that scum PR slot.

Then give your opinion about why Benmage is complaining that he is not my top town read.

I don't care for Benmage's portrayal of himself. But, I do think he has a point that game events have shown him to be highly likely Town, and your refusal to acknowledge that is disturbing. I do not see where he is being scummy by pointing this out.

My other problem is that you are dismissing the case against you as OMGUS, when there is content driven suspicion. Your play around the OhGodMyLife wagon and FakeGod wagon was worth suspicion. That was the crux of the case, in my opinion, and was definitively not OMGUS.

Your wording's off, but I understand what you mean, and I am currently closed to the possibility that HezLucky had a good "busdar" as he refused to back himself up. I would be much more willing to accept it with maxwell flipped scum.

I understand your point, and accept your reason for this stance.

Because I cannot get any support for it.

a HezLucky wagon

My point is that you haven't really driven for any support. What I find suspect about this is that you have a reasonable point. But, you seem content with being able to point to that reason, and not really interested in pushing hard for a HezLucky lynch.

Like you, I reject the idea that the Seacore lynch was made up of ten town and one scum.

Alright, then. Point accepted.

Let me do this in my head... 7:2:1, town gets lynched, two more townies die (since the vig is dead), putting us at 4:2:1... Sounds about right.

Agreement, here, as a worst case scenario.

Thing is, those were not two separate points. I was asking why, given the second point, would you accept a lower tier scum read to push on. Doing that points to the possibility of lynch hunting, not scum hunting.

[DLG]

DLG, do me a favor. Draw for me a scenario of full flips, where SC isn't scum.

Ayuh, will do.

BTW you can put Hezz into the town slot... unless you think 3 scum all voted next to one another. (Fun fact, find out how often that *never* happens).

Yeah, I'm willing to accept that as a working proposition. It seems as likely to be true as my conjecture regarding the Seacore lynch.

So, if StrangerCoug is also Town, here's what I'd envision.

In a 18:5:1 set-up: maxwell - SK, Psyche and Code_X as remaining Mafia, with Psyche as Rolecop. I figure that scum has to have a Rolecop, and Psyche's lay low, avoid attention profile fits a scum PR. There's not much difference in Psyche and maxwell as far as that goes, but I guess I'd like my preferred lynch target to be as high profile as possible.

In a 17:6:1 set-up (maybe not as likely, but still possible): Probably same as above, with the addition of redFF as scum Doc. I'd only venture into this territory if all three of maxwell, Psyche, and Code_X were flipped as scum, and the game was not over.

In a 18:3:3 set-up (yeah, yeah, not according to you, but...): I could see you, Psyche, maxwell as the remaining scum team. Probably one of you as Rolecop. The Town PR death toll is too high for there not to be a Rolecop involved. Especially the DeasVail slot as JOAT killed over a claimed Doctor with a claimed Cop still alive. The only explanaition I can conceive is that scum knew about the JOAT role, and were willing to take out a Town PR and create the WIFOM around a non-redFF death.

Now, I'm not entirely ready to say that StrangerCoug is Town. There are some things, as outlined in my respopnse to him, that concern me. And, accepting you as Town, I'm willing to pay heed to your reads. You've been pretty damn good at calling them so far this game.

Psyche is still my absolute preferred lynch, though. I'll bullet a case against him, for reference.

[Psyche]

it'll be a bad case. >.>

[DLG]

And, yet, once again, you are amazingly quick to note that someone might be suspecting you and putting you in danger. Probably just a coincidence, though, huh?

[Psyche]

It's when I logged in and checked the thread.

I just woke up.

[Benmage]

@DLg, the point of the exercise, was to step back, look at the game as a whole rationally and realize how very unlikely(impossible) it is for SC to not be scum.

[RachMarie]

I am quite willing to hold the hammer to give Red time to make her post and the lynchee time too.

[RachMarie]

oops HIS post sorry

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 5-3

(as of Post 2994)

StrangerCoug (5)

- Benmage, maxwell, Maxous, Psyche, HezLucky

Psyche (2)

- DLG, redFF

maxwell (2)

- RachMarie, Code_X

Benmage (1)

- StrangerCoug

Not Voting (0)

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With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline:

Friday, July 13, 2012, 2pm CDT

Replacing:

No one

Prods (48 hours):

None

V/LAs:

No one

[redFF]

strangercoug has had crap reads but I don't think he's scum?

[Code_X]

Can someone with half a clue/knowledge of LOTR decipher this?

1. Psyche Merry or Pippin
2. Kublai Khan Boromir
3. scooby Angry Smeagol
4. FakeGod poor me
5. OhGodMyLife Theoden
6. The Mini-Librarian Denethor
8. DeasVail Legolas
9. kdowns Samwise
10. Code_X Merry or Pippin
11. Benmage either Gandalf the grey or Saruman
12. Pine Gollum
13. drmyshottyizsik Bilbo Baggins
14. HezLucky Merry or Pippin
15. drmyshotgun Frodo Baggins
16. Nero Cain Faramir or Sauron
17. redFF Eomer or Uruk-hai captain
19. mastin2 Either Elrond or Balrog
20. Lady Lambdadelta Galadriel
21. Junpei Either Aragorn or Ringwraith
22. Maxous Gimli
24. StrangerCoug Either Gandalf the white or Treebeard

[Code_X]

Rach - care to make that case on Maxwell aswell before the end of the day?

Unvote

Few things whirling around my head.

[StrangerCoug]

UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: StrangerCoug