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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:32 am

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Voidedmafia wrote:
Did he actually say that?


Yes.

You voted me and Arugula, nobody else. Don't you have any other suspects? Everybody else is town, no questions asked?

P-EDIT: You asked for links/quotes. You got them. How well it was formatted in this fucking annoying box is irrelevant. Though, if you want to just plug your ears and try to wish it away, go ahead.


I actually have no idea what you were trying to tell me with that quote. Just format it correctly so I can actually see what you're referring to; that's the least you can do for your scumbuddy MoI if you're going to answer questions for him.
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:50 am

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OH look, the icecube wants things handed to him on a platter. Fine, here, I'll bring it back nice and sugar-coated for yah.

IceGuy wrote:
MoI, 568 wrote:Icescum – Why are you ignoring the person who started the wagon?
MoI – Herp a derp … DCL is on that list ..
Icescum – Well it is irrelevant blah blah blah

Links. Now.

(Yes, I know you can't actually provide them. I'm just waiting which one of my statements you're going to try and misrepresent)

Here you demand written proof from MoI that he has asked the latter why he's ignored people who started the wagon on Arug.


IceGuy quote 1, aka 'why u ignore who started it' wrote:He claims scum derailed my wagon and set up the Arugula one.

The first player to jump off my wagon was whisper - not a scum suspect according to him.
L-1 and hammer on Arugula were done by you and Amrun respectively - also not scum suspects according to him.

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At most, he could claim that the people in-between are scum for jumping on the mislynch wagon - but he can't use that narrative because it would make me town, and he can't have that because I'm the designated mislynch.

Here demonstrates where you indicated that MoI wasn't focusing on the person who started the wagon (who was DCL, regardless of when Arug's wagon kicked (or re-kicked) off).

MoI: Gotcha covered wrote:Well first you are factually incorrect since the person who is in the first slot (and thus ‘started’ the wagon) is DCL. Well low and behold … he’s on my list.

Ignoring spelling "lo" as "low", here MoI indicates where you're wrong.

IceGuy: Waah irrelevant blah blah waah wrote:Who originally started the wagon is irrelevant - you said that the wagon was picked up by scum trying to derail mine. DCL voted Arugula long before that happened (at some point, you also voted him)

Here you try to assert who "originally" started the wagon is irrelevant...Really?

Now, of course, you ARE right in that DCL didn't restart Arug's wagon--that'd be AVox and Robo who are (surprise!) on MoI's suspect list--but that doesn't absolve him from being on the wagon itself regardless of when it starts up.

Besides, considering that moI has all three wagon starters on his list, your claim made here is doubly hilarious and wrong.

Also, nice strawmanning of my reads. Suddenly voting only two people means I can't POSSIBLY have anything other than townreads on everyone else. :roll:
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:01 am

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You douche VM. He's saying that's what MoI is saying about HIS reads.

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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:02 am

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Voidedmafia wrote:OH look, the icecube wants things handed to him on a platter. Fine, here, I'll bring it back nice and sugar-coated for yah.


I see you took a page out of MoI's "attack without rhyme or reason and hope something sticks" playbook.


Here you demand written proof from MoI that he has asked the latter why he's ignored people who started the wagon on Arug.


No - I was always talking about MoI's claim that scum derailed my wagon and set up the Arugula one. Absolutely nothing else makes sense in context. Who voted Arugula several pages back is of absolutely no relevance or importance, something everybody but you and MoI realize.

Besides, considering that moI has all three wagon starters on his list, your claim made here is doubly hilarious and wrong.


Who are "the three wagon starters"?

Also, nice strawmanning of my reads. Suddenly voting only two people means I can't POSSIBLY have anything other than townreads on everyone else. :roll:


You criticized me for saying you can have suspects you didn't vote for. You only voted for Arugula and me. Therefore, you having other suspects and non-town reads than the two of us means you're hypocritical.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:25 am

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IceGuy wrote:
Voidedmafia wrote:OH look, the icecube wants things handed to him on a platter. Fine, here, I'll bring it back nice and sugar-coated for yah.


I see you took a page out of MoI's "attack without rhyme or reason and hope something sticks" playbook.

I can go on an insult war if you want to. Fact remains you're being lazy in not trying to figure that out when it's not that bad.

Iceguy wrote:

Here you demand written proof from MoI that he has asked the latter why he's ignored people who started the wagon on Arug.


No - I was always talking about MoI's claim that scum derailed my wagon and set up the Arugula one. Absolutely nothing else makes sense in context. Who voted Arugula several pages back is of absolutely no relevance or importance, something everybody but you and MoI realize.

But if that's so, then MoI already has AVox and Robocopter as suspect, so...still applies.

IceGuy wrote:
Besides, considering that moI has all three wagon starters on his list, your claim made here is doubly hilarious and wrong.


Who are "the three wagon starters"?

DCL, Robo, and Avox...?

IceGuy wrote:
Also, nice strawmanning of my reads. Suddenly voting only two people means I can't POSSIBLY have anything other than townreads on everyone else. :roll:


You criticized me for saying you can have suspects you didn't vote for. You only voted for Arugula and me. Therefore, you having other suspects and non-town reads than the two of us means you're hypocritical.

Avox solidified himself as a prime suspect for me after I had already decided to go after you or Arug. Though, if wasn't so sure of you being scum, I'd have voted Avox by now, so.
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:37 am

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Voidedmafia wrote:
DCL, Robo, and Avox...?


Actually, DCL was the original wagon starter, and Robo and AVox the third and fourth on the wagon, respectively (with Robo being the first to vote me after whisper's unvote). But I guess a sane and consistent definition of "wagon starter" just gets in the way of baseless claims.


Avox solidified himself as a prime suspect for me after I had already decided to go after you or Arug. Though, if wasn't so sure of you being scum, I'd have voted Avox by now, so.


So you're agreeing with me that MoI was wrong about attacking me for having suspects I didn't vote for?
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:38 am

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All I want to say right now is that Riggs and I have read the thread. We know about the whole argument about whether or not to flip letters. Yesterday we agreed with it, but now scum can gain a lot of information with our own plan and use it against us. We are doing what we believe is best for town. As for now

VOTE: iceguy

It seems like you were just trying to get an easy wagon going to lynch someone quick because they don't agree with everyone else anymore.
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:39 am

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And now I learned I wasn't logged into the right account. Sorry everyone.
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:48 am

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Agent_Ireland wrote:All I want to say right now is that Riggs and I have read the thread.

[...]

VOTE: iceguy

It seems like you were just trying to get an easy wagon going to lynch someone quick because they don't agree with everyone else anymore.


No, you didn't.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:53 am

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IceGuy wrote:
Voidedmafia wrote:
DCL, Robo, and Avox...?


Actually, DCL was the original wagon starter, and Robo and AVox the third and fourth on the wagon, respectively (with Robo being the first to vote me after whisper's unvote). But I guess a sane and consistent definition of "wagon starter" just gets in the way of baseless claims.

Well, trying to call yourself the wagon starter makes things easier, then, eh?


Avox solidified himself as a prime suspect for me after I had already decided to go after you or Arug. Though, if wasn't so sure of you being scum, I'd have voted Avox by now, so.


So you're agreeing with me that MoI was wrong about attacking me for having suspects I didn't vote for?
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I believe the point was more that you had other suspects but didn't vote for them just because they weren't your "prime" suspect (though I admit I might be remembering this particular argument incorrectly). AVox had been lingering as a scumspect, but only jumped into the spotlight near the end of D1 and by that time we were already getting Arug lynched.

As for today, the main reason I'm not voting him2 is because I'm sure you're scum, as I said.

2for1: What plan of yours, again?
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:57 am

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Voidedmafia wrote:
Well, trying to call yourself the wagon starter makes things easier, then, eh?


What?


I believe the point was more that you had other suspects but didn't vote for them just because they weren't your "prime" suspect (though I admit I might be remembering this particular argument incorrectly).


Yes. That's actually the same argument you're currently using.
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:03 am

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IceGuy wrote:
Voidedmafia wrote:
Well, trying to call yourself the wagon starter makes things easier, then, eh?


What?


Well, if Avox and robo are 3rd and 4th, and DCL isn't a factor, then who was the 2nd to vote (and thus, by your logic, the wagon-starter)

Why, isn't that you? indicates it's so, and I found no unvotes by you for the rest of the day.

So, if we follow your previous reasoning that MoI should be focusing on the wagon-starters (or those at the end, but that's not the topic), isn't he thus correct in suspecting you?


I believe the point was more that you had other suspects but didn't vote for them just because they weren't your "prime" suspect (though I admit I might be remembering this particular argument incorrectly).


Yes. That's actually the same argument you're currently using.

Fine. Retracted.
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:21 am

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Voidedmafia wrote:
Well, if Avox and robo are 3rd and 4th, and DCL isn't a factor, then who was the 2nd to vote (and thus, by your logic, the wagon-starter)


That does not make any sense at all. And yes, I stand by my Arugula vote.
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:39 am

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AVox, I just want to have ANY input you can give because you're good at it. i don't recall saying you can manipulate us, I was more worried of not getting any input from you at all. If there isn't anything you can add then okay cool.

Did you have any opinions regarding the plans put forward? What are your thoughts on what we're doing now?
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:40 pm

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Voidedmafia wrote:
2for1: What plan of yours, again?


We believe that we shouldn't reveal anymore before we take tiles. Scum already knows 1 tile that everyone has. With this, giving them a second letter greatly narrows down the number of roles that a person could be looking to get, so scum has greater knowledge as to who their night kill should be to save themselves and hurt the town.

Heres an example. Lets say someone picked a C off of the board. Here are the roles they could use the C for: Cop, CPR doctor, watcher, commuter, doctor, and letter cop. At this point, if you take any other letter that appears in any of these, the scum can narrow down to one or two roles as to what you have. W or T, watcher. D, doctor. M, commuter. L, letter cop. P, cop or CPR (only one in this case where two roles remain).

The point is we would rather mafia know that we have a letter that appears in 5 roles than knowing exactly what role we have.
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:59 pm

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2minds1soul wrote:
We believe that we shouldn't reveal anymore before we take tiles.


Unfortunately for you, we have agreed that this argument is bullshit. Kindly follow our plan or eat rope.
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:28 pm

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2minds1soul wrote:
Voidedmafia wrote:
2for1: What plan of yours, again?


We believe that we shouldn't reveal anymore before we take tiles. Scum already knows 1 tile that everyone has. With this, giving them a second letter greatly narrows down the number of roles that a person could be looking to get, so scum has greater knowledge as to who their night kill should be to save themselves and hurt the town.

Heres an example. Lets say someone picked a C off of the board. Here are the roles they could use the C for: Cop, CPR doctor, watcher, commuter, doctor, and letter cop. At this point, if you take any other letter that appears in any of these, the scum can narrow down to one or two roles as to what you have. W or T, watcher. D, doctor. M, commuter. L, letter cop. P, cop or CPR (only one in this case where two roles remain).

The point is we would rather mafia know that we have a letter that appears in 5 roles than knowing exactly what role we have.

I actually agree with IG: If you read the thread, you'd know this had already been busted, pretty much.

Considering you're still trying to hold on to this, your lack of being up-to-date is noted.
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:36 pm

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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:56 pm

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@ICE & Voided

I started the arugula wagon around post 90 or so. Just thought that might clear up one of your pointless arguments.

And I agree with robocopter this is very likely town on town.
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:20 pm

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^ yes, so vote DCL to catch scum.
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:07 pm

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Vijay I've already given my thoughts on plans yesterday. Continue being scum, though x
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:50 am

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Voidedmafia flipped tile A4, revealing a D.
AurorusVox flipped tile G6, revealing a W.
IceGuy flipped tile H6, revealing an O.
DLCXVI flipped tile B6, revealing an M.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile B5, revealing an N.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile I4, revealing a G.
2minds1soul took tile I1, collecting an unknown...
Robocopter87 flipped tile F4, revealing an I.

MagnaofIllusion has used his daily flip.
AurorusVox has used his daily flip.
IceGuy has used his daily flip.
Lady Lambdadelta has not used either her daily flip or collect.
2minds1soul have used their daily collect.
Robocopter87 has used his daily flip.
whispersilk has not used either her daily flip or collect.
DCLXVI has used his daily flip.
vijay2vasandani has used his daily flip.
Amrun has not used either her daily flip or collect.
Voidedmafia has used his daily flip.

--- DAY 1 ------------------------------------------------
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

Day 2
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Agent_Ireland's vote in post #581 was not valid as per Rule b) vii).
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IceGuy
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(1) IceGuy
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(1) AurorusVox
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(1) vijay2vasandani
AurorusVox
(1) DCLXVI

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(5) Lady Lambdadelta, 2minds1soul, Robocopter87, whispersilk, Amrun

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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Amrun has declared V/LA until Mon, Jul 9, 2012.

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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:24 am

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vijay2vasandani wrote:^ yes, so vote DCL to catch scum.


what exactly makes you think I'm scum?

You have explained why you find aurosvox suspicious. You are not voting him.
You have not explained why you are suspicious of me. You are voting me.

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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:10 am

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@2for1
– You need to revote Ice-scum since the Mod didn’t count your vote from Agent Ireland.

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DCL wrote: Maybe because armun did the collect without a flip around post 80ish. Discussion on what was the best way to handle flips had not finished.


The timing isn’t as important as the reaoning and apparent motivation given that Amrun specifically stated in that she was cognizant that what she was doing wasn’t going to be met with approval (given she specifically called all presented plans Anti-Town).

She specifically went out of her way to thumb her nose at all plans presented and go against the grain. And for the same reasoning 2for1 game to boot.

So again – why did that not earn a Town read from you?


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AV wrote: In other news, who wants to lynch Vijay with me?


His vote on Arugula was certainly bad. I'd rather lynch Ice-scum first since he's the most obvious.

Why did you not respond to my “What does Iceguy-scum do to your reads”?

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Iceguy wrote:Links. Now.


Icescum – Why are you ignoring the person who started the wagon?




He's basically saying "that was a scum-driven derail and new wagon,
but neither the person starting it
nor the people ending it are scum".


I’ve bolded it for you. Please feel free to illustrate who you are trying to say started the wagon since you basically are dodging and weaving whenever someone tries to get you to clarify the point. Who started the wagon that you claim I am ignoring? That way I can show AGAIN how your statement in 522 was fabricated.

Oh wait I see and the following gem –

Iceguy wrote:Actually, DCL was the original wagon starter


So you are admitting that in 522 when you claimed I was not calling the wagon starter scum in is a complete fabrication as DCL was indeed clearly on that list.

I appreciate you admitting to being fabricating scum! Eat rope!!!!!

Icescum – Well it is irrelevant blah blah blah




Who originally started the wagon is irrelevant –


This is why I know you are scum just hoping to score points instead of actually scum-hunting. Because it was easy to find those.

Iceguy wrote: Yes, I have them as suspects. None of them have been my top suspects at one point - of course, I've posted reads, but you've decided to ignore them.

You claiming it's scummy to not vote all of one's suspects is ridiculous and shows at which kind of straws you're already grasping.


I’ll tackle the second point first – you are misrepping my point. I’m stating you claim to have scum reads on those people who pushed both you and Arugula. Yet you haven’t voted them and certainly haven’t done any scum-hunting in regards to them. Where are your questions to them about why they voted you and him?

Links. Now.

As to the first part let’s look at your ‘reads’ that you claim I was ignoring –

Iceguy in 342 wrote: Other scum reads: Robocopter
Leaning scum: LLD, Voided
Neutral or need to post more: Amrun, 2m1s, vijay, DCL
Unfortunately probably town: MoI, Hoopla, whisper
Town: AV


This is the last time you posted a ‘reads list’. Now you are claiming that you have scum reads in those players who voted for both you and Arugula. Well your scum reads are

Arugula (flipped Town), Robocopter, LLD, and Voided.

LLD doesn’t meet that criteria – she’s cast a single vote for Hoopla this game.
Robocopter doesn’t meet that criteria – he’s never voted for you.
Voided is the only player in this list who voted for both Arugula and yourself.

Yet you aren’t pushing him in any way. You simply sit playing reactively to his posts.
And to head off what I see as your response – I don’t meet the criteria either as my vote on Arugula came very early in the Day. I certainly wasn’t part of his mislynch … as we know I clearly was trying to lynch scum-you.

So no – I haven’t ignored your reads. I’m just calling them what they are – fabrications from scum who can’t actually scum-hunt in an open game with only 1 scum faction.
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:32 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:So again – why did that not earn a Town read from you?


I've given my answer. If you don't like it, you don't like it. But I'm not going to change it just because you asked again.
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