Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[IceGuy]

You must be really desperate.

I've already flashed the whole "wagon starter" thing out with Voidedmafia. If you claim the wagon on me was derailed by scum and scum piled on the Arugula wagon it's completely irrelevant who voted Arugula at the start of the day.

I’ll tackle the second point first – you are misrepping my point. I’m stating you claim to have scum reads on those people who pushed both you and Arugula. Yet you haven’t voted them and certainly haven’t done any scum-hunting in regards to them. Where are your questions to them about why they voted you and him?

This and the following is a typical example of lying per omission.

There are only two people that were on both my wagon before it fell apart, and on Arugula's wagon afterwards: Voided and Amrun. I have a scumread on Voided and a nullread on Amrun due to unusually lurky behavior.

And before you claim this as proof I was lying when I said that the wagon on me was derailed and the Arugula wagon set up by scum, let me remind you that it was you who claimed this. So you've just proven you lied and pulled this out of thin air. Well done!

Also, despite your claim you'll "tackle the second point first", you actually never mention the first point again. That's because you know that was bullshit and you know you can't keep it up.

Anyway, I'm going to leave now, and if MoI isn't lynched before I return for his continuous pushing of a terrible case I'll make a wallpost that summarizes all the bullshit I've had to endure from him.

More MoI votes, now. This scummy scumbag needs rope. Everybody not voting MoI tell me why he isn't.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Reads:

Town: Voided, ICEguy, LLD, whispersilk

Null: Robocopter, Vijay, 2minds1soul, MoI, Amrun

Scum: Auros, Arugula, hoopla

So 2/3ds of your scum reads have flipped Town already. Given you haven't said anything I can see today updating this who are AV's partners now?

[DCLXVI]

So 2/3ds of your scum reads have flipped Town already.

And what do you think that means?

[MagnaofIllusion]

You must be really desperate.

I've already flashed the whole "wagon starter" thing out with Voidedmafia. If you claim the wagon on me was derailed by scum and scum piled on the Arugula wagon it's completely irrelevant who voted Arugula at the start of the day.

No … the desperation is clearly on your part. I just demonstrated that you fabricated your stance in Post 522. And your response is to say “It is irrelevant who voted Arugula a the start of the day”.

It’s relevant who pushed his mislych after you got run up. You keep pretending that I haven’t laid out exactly who I think were scum on the Arugula wagon and it’s clearly fabricated.

Oh and look we have another direct fabrication from Ice-scum –

Also, despite your claim you'll "tackle the second point first", you actually never mention the first point again. That's because you know that was bullshit and you know you can't keep it up.

Look … a complete lie –

The first part he is claiming I didn’t address –

Yes, I have them as suspects. None of them have been my top suspects at one point - of course, I've posted reads, but you've decided to ignore them.

The large body of text in my post where I address that –

As to the first part let’s look at your ‘reads’ that you claim I was ignoring –

Other scum reads: Robocopter
Leaning scum: LLD, Voided
Neutral or need to post more: Amrun, 2m1s, vijay, DCL
Unfortunately probably town: MoI, Hoopla, whisper
Town: AV

This is the last time you posted a ‘reads list’. Now you are claiming that you have scum reads in those players who voted for both you and Arugula. Well your scum reads are

Arugula (flipped Town), Robocopter, LLD, and Voided.

LLD doesn’t meet that criteria – she’s cast a single vote for Hoopla this game.
Robocopter doesn’t meet that criteria – he’s never voted for you.
Voided is the only player in this list who voted for both Arugula and yourself.

Yet you aren’t pushing him in any way. You simply sit playing reactively to his posts.
And to head off what I see as your response – I don’t meet the criteria either as my vote on Arugula came very early in the Day. I certainly wasn’t part of his mislynch … as we know I clearly was trying to lynch scum-you.

So no – I haven’t ignored your reads. I’m just calling them what they are – fabrications from scum who can’t actually scum-hunt in an open game with only 1 scum faction.

So yes … yet another direct fabrication from Iceguy.

Why does he not have more votes?

And before you claim this as proof I was lying when I said that the wagon on me was derailed and the Arugula wagon set up by scum, let me remind you that it was you who claimed this. So you've just proven you lied and pulled this out of thin air. Well done!

Why are you attacking points not made? I called you a liar for lying in 522 saying I had not listed the wagon-starter on Arugula in my list of possible scum. Which I have proven to be a fabrication.

[MagnaofIllusion]

And what do you think that means?

This isn't an answer ...

Who do you think are AV's partners?

[IceGuy]

Okay, here's the deal with MoI.

He's currently exhibiting a typical tactic of his.

Read his ISO in Execution Mafia and in this game and see the parallels (Cosca is a hydra of me and Junpei).

First, he'll latch onto you for whatever you say. He'll pretend he has a genuine read by ramping it up with every post. In reality, he has already decided he'll try and get you lynched, so everything you do or say will be considered proof of your scumminess.

He'll then start a war of attrition with a constant stream of wallposts attacking you.

Typical tactics are:
- Blatant lie. Rare because it's generally obvious.
- Misrepresentation. This is the most common one, he'll subtly misinterpret whatever you said.
- Fake scumtell. He'll correctly state something you actually did, but will simply claim it as proof you're scum although it actually isn't.
- Constantly repeating you're scum. Seriously, read his posts and count the number of occurrences for the word "scum".

If you actually press him on a point he made, he'll either completely ignore it or use one of the above tactics to continue, constantly putting up new points and using whatever you replied to him as fodder for the above tactics.

He isn't interested in actual scumhunting. All he's doing is putting out a lot of words claiming you're scum and hoping something sticks. This is a tactic you can use on absolutely everyone to try and paint them as scum.

[DCLXVI]

And what do you think that means?

This isn't an answer ...

Who do you think are AV's partners?

right now I'd say vijay and you.

[Robocopter87]

Yo DCL, there is this thing I heard about.

Its called explanation. We use it when we are attempting to describe and support our statements.

Try it.

[DCLXVI]

Yo DCL, there is this thing I heard about.

Its called explanation. We use it when we are attempting to describe and support our statements.

Try it.

MoI asked me who I thought aros' partners were, he didn't ask me why.

[DCLXVI]

But since you insist on know why.

vijay is scummy because of what I mentioned in post 597. Its a pretty clear link to auros.

MoI is scummy because of his shit case on ICEguy (who I consider town)

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI is scummy because of his shit case on ICEguy (who I consider town)

Do you have particular parts of my case you'd like to point out as scummy? Because at this stage all I see is you saying "Iceguy is Town so your case sucks".

[DCLXVI]

Do you have particular parts of my case you'd like to point out as scummy? Because at this stage all I see is you saying "Iceguy is Town so your case sucks".

ICEguy has already done a fantastic job explaining why your case on him sucks. Don't let me distract you from responding to it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

ICEguy has already done a fantastic job explaining why your case on him sucks. Don't let me distract you from responding to it.

No, he really hasn't. I've shown him fabricating 'evidence' of my scumminess on mutliple occasions, mis-repping my points, and generally ignoring points he doesn't want to address.

[DCLXVI]

@MoI

I answered your question in 601, answer mine in 602.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I answered your question in 601, answer mine in 602.

It's important because you are in my scum-pool. Looking at your responses and posts will help me down the line after Iceguy flips as scum to determine if you are his partner or not.

[DCLXVI]

Your quote:

So 2/3ds of your scum reads have flipped Town already.

My question:

And what do you think that means?

Your

answer

deflection:

It's important because you are in my scum-pool. Looking at your responses and posts will help me down the line after Iceguy flips as scum to determine if you are his partner or not.

I didn't ask why it was important. I asked what it meant. In other words, what information did you obtain from it.

How about an answer now?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I've given my answer. If you don't like it, you don't like it. But I'm not going to change it just because you asked again.

[DCLXVI]

very funny,

one difference, I actually answered. You didn't.

[DCLXVI]

Oh but let's compare the situations shall we.

MoI's question:

Why wasn't Amrun Town for doing the exact same thing Day 1? Your reads list at Post 414 well after she made that move had her as Null.

My answer:

Maybe because armun did the collect without a flip around post 80ish. Discussion on what was the best way to handle flips had not finished.

Its a completely different situation than 2minds1soul doing it at post 550 after the issue had been thoroughly discussed.

Yep, I answered the question. MoI may have not liked the answer, but I directly responded to the question with an answer.

Now for the other part



My question:

And what do you think that means?

MoI's answer:

It's important because you are in my scum-pool. Looking at your responses and posts will help me down the line after Iceguy flips as scum to determine if you are his partner or not.

Nope, he did not answer the question. I asked for what MoI thought my previous reads meant, not on why they may be important, MoI clearly is deflecting the question.

VOTE: MoI

[AurorusVox]

Lol a Vijay-MoI-AV scumteam~

ICEguy scumflip makes me hurt inside. It would make Whisper more town. DCL could still be scum. Vijay I think is still capable of being scum. You'd potentially drop but I'd not put it past you to be his buddy~

And now for a more specific return: if ICEguy was town, what would your Whisper read be?

[Robocopter87]

Do you have particular parts of my case you'd like to point out as scummy? Because at this stage all I see is you saying "Iceguy is Town so your case sucks".

ICEguy has already done a fantastic job explaining why your case on him sucks. Don't let me distract you from responding to it.

You riding on ICEguy isn't going to happen. Don't think I'm going to let you sit back and watch instead of actually creating input.

If you believe someone is scum you have to provide your own reasoning for it.

Like so,

DCL is scum for

1. Riding
2. Lack of input
3. Restating thing already said in an attempt to appear town.

VOTE: DCL

[DCLXVI]

1. Riding

Was I riding when I started the arugula wagon...nope...

You also appear to have missed the post where I voted MoI. Not a lot of sheeping going on there.

2. Lack of input

I've had plenty of input day 2. So again false.

3. Restating thing already said in an attempt to appear town.

what have I restated to appear town?


Three swings
Three strikes
Your out.

[DCLXVI]

wow, grammer fail

your = you're

[Robocopter87]

1. Riding

Was I riding when I started the arugula wagon...nope...

You also appear to have missed the post where I voted MoI. Not a lot of sheeping going on there.

2. Lack of input

I've had plenty of input day 2. So again false.

3. Restating thing already said in an attempt to appear town.

what have I restated to appear town?


Three swings
Three strikes
Your out.

Ooooooo baby. Here we go.

Was I riding when I started the arugula wagon...nope...

That is funny. Because you and I both know I was talking about the MoI wagon that you jumped on. You rode by watching it happen and saying MoI was scum and ICE was town. You even told him to go back to doing their debate so you could watch some more.

I never said anything about sheeping either, I have no idea where that came from.

I've had plenty of input day 2. So again false.

Where? I don't see any. Post some input from Day Two in which you contributed to the discussion and propelled the finding of scum. Quotes. Links. Whatever. Post it.

what have I restated to appear town?

I have a specific example for this one.

This is post 592.

Ice vs. Vm is TvT.

This is post 593.

@ICE & Voided

I started the arugula wagon around post 90 or so. Just thought that might clear up one of your pointless arguments.

And I agree with robocopter this is very likely town on town.

Not three strikes. They were all valid points. Just saying they weren't valid doesn't make them invalid. Try again.

[whispersilk]

Hey guys! Here is the real $64k question. Was Arugula just hella bussed, or did the town just get butt-fucked because half of it's population is either vla or posting useless utter shite.

List the population half that is V/LA or posting useless shit before I move forward ...

Do you

really

need me to tell you that?

Yes, I do. I want to see who YOU think is doing it.

@MoI:

Useless shite: AV, MoI, DCL, LLD and to a degree Hoopla.
VLA: vijay, 2for1, Amrun - all three somehow managing to pull off both. When they are here, they post nothing helpful to the town.

I'm somewhat disappointed in Hoop. I thought she would be scumhunting much more actively than she has been. The back and forth with Amrun was just fluff, and the back and forth with you is equally as useless as it is annoying to read. I do however understand the comment she made about being better able to read people once there has been a flip. I am also better at reading and picking up on the little tells once there has been results, especially scum flips. Hoping she

proves my town read on her to be valid by participating more tomorrow.

Robocopter, IG, Arugula, Voided and myself are the only people who seem to be really invested in this game. Sure, at times we've been focusing on the wrong people, but at least we were making an effort to hunt scum.

MoI, it's been mentioned before by other people - Your posts and efforts at scumhunting (if you can call it that) appear superficial and little more than someone going through the motions. You've no

real

or concrete reads, and you've yet to build a decent case against anyone. You appear to be fence sitting to keep your options open. You've made half-hearted attacks on most of the town, but never followed through with any of them, often just dropping them altogether to move onto someone else. You ask lots of seemingly pro-town questions of people, but to me, it's like there is this air of scumminess about them, like you're just waiting for someone to say something wrong, or basically anything you don't agree with, so you can make another quick superficial attack. I agree with much that Hoop and IG have said about you.

Going to stop now, because I want to get this in before the thread is locked. If you want them, and if there is time, I can and will provide evidence from your posts to back up my points against you.

@MoI:

You made a bit of a fuss about wanting to know exactly who I thought was posting shite, but then never followed up on what I said, or addressed my thoughts on you. Is there any particular reason why?