Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[inte]

whoops got my timeline messed up

i was right about Phil though

[drmyshotgun]

D3f3nd3r's ISO looks pretty bad. He is staying out of all discussions, and just popping in small bits of info that is not very useful here and there. He seemed to want to get on Derpy, Shotgun wagon by asking others for reasons to get on them.

ActionDan's ISO is equal in numbers and he looks pretty detached too.

Wat?

Do you consider yourself much involved?
Well, look who's talking, though.

[drmyshotgun]

so why are you voting me AND derpy, and not one or the other?

I do not like your implication there, but thanks for pointing that out. Honestly forgot to do that.

UNVOTE: Both

Do you have any suspects yourself?

and I can't believe I am saying this but Inte has had a good observation with regards to fitz. it would not suprise me if fitz is scum based on his play (or lack there of) this game.

In my game with Fitz, he basically lurked the entire game and won as Scum.
He stayed out of most conversations and only did something on the last day.
What I'm seeing here is not much different to that play, so I'm leaning scum on him.
Does he play like this when he's Town as well?

[Apple Jack]

ok so trying to put together some thoughts before my V/LA really gets going.

Starting with the lowest post counts due to lack of time and will work on the higher post counts later.

Matias aka DemonHybrid - definitely should be posting more, the fact that he has posted once or twice elsewhere is bothersome but in reality he looks like he just doesn't care about this game and that alone isn't ehough to lynch somebody day 1. Day 1 we need to actually make an attempt to lynch people who are scummy or people who are trying to look productive but actually not (lots of people fit this category however)

Defender - post 57 and post 119 really bother me. post 57 basically says, fuck you guys I'm not doing shit except sheep someone. the rest of his posts lack any scum hunting and instead is just saying things I would imagine someone trying to pretend to be town would say. I hate post 217 with a passion. Notice that post was before the mass prod and he seems concerned about being prodded, but after the mass prodd he doesn't post anything? and he has logged on today and still nothing.

out of matias or defender, hands down defender makes a better lynch. Matias just needs to be replaced.

ActionDan - while his posts are low, his posts do contain some sort of content. the only thing I don't like is his defense of defender.

Pine - he hasn't done anything usefull and he is hanging on his attempted PL of me and than tried to rationalize it by saying my reaction to my wagon was scummy yet he has managed not not explain what exactly about it. Not to mention he purposefully twisted my words into something I didn't actually say which is ultimately scummy and exactly what he does as scum.

Havingfitz - his vote on me early on was fairly weak and at first I liked his vote on n00b, however he does nothing to push his scum read and he also abandons his vote on mafia-n00b for no reason. Also on Tuesday he said he was going to pay more attention to this game but of course 2 days later nothing. I know he is capable of more if he was town so I am fairly suspicious of this slot.

Phillamon - I have never seen a more useless ISO in a game before in my life and the fact that we are this far into the game and he has no real reads is quite worrysome.

Perigine - at first I had suspicions of his slot but his more recent posts are better.

Shotty is shotty - I believe the miller claim for now

the rest I don't have time to shift through their iso right now but based on posts whisper I think is probably town, n00b I am on the fence and Inte I think is scummy, but not sure if he is scum.

I am expecting pine to post more when he gets back, if he is scum he will eventually hang himself because he doesn't know how to scum hunt when he is scum.

vote1: defender

Vote2: havingfitz

definitely need more out of these two.

[Apple Jack]

@ shotty - no I don't think he does when he is town, I think fitz gets involved in the conversations more and his posts usually have more bite behind them.

[Matias]

Yeah. It's hard to care about this game. Right now, I have no momentum. Bear with me.

[Matias]

I'm just going to knock out town reads.

Derpy and shotgun both feel town to me. Code_X wouldn't pull this "lynch the miller" shit as scum. Too risky.

mafia_noob is dumb. You don't policy lynch people for not posting. I've been simply working and I haven't cared about even stepping foot into this game. That doesn't make you scummy though, you aren't exactly being subtle about your pushes.

I cannot read Pine. Ever.

I can't remember who raised the points on Phil being really fluffy, but he is. Extremely.

Fitz strikes me as off too. He's not scumhunting; he's agreeing with wagons and throwing around random votes.

Unvote: All

Vote 1: Phil
Vote 2: havingfitz

This is all I have for you because I'm picking out the most important parts and trying to get into this game. Get over it. A policy lynch on a miller? PL on someone who posted 3 times? Christ, guys. I get town reads from you, but step your shit up.

[Matias]

For the record, inte is one of those people that looks scummy, all of the time, regardless of alignment. I'm going to be watching that wagon like a fucking hawk.

There are people that I'm forgetting. whisper, Peregrine, ActionDan, defender.

Someone compile the inte and defender cases for me, by the way. I don't get it.

[mafia-n00b]

mafia_noob is dumb. You don't policy lynch people for not posting. I've been simply working and I haven't cared about even stepping foot into this game. That doesn't make you scummy though, you aren't exactly being subtle about your pushes.

There's a difference between not posting and posting "prod dodge, will post later" over and over.

[Matias]

not really.

I posted that once, for the record, in which I lost the time to catch up. That's a moot point though, chess officially prodded me today, so here I am, making time.

A person not posting doesn't indicate a damn thing of their alignment, scum NOR town.

[Matias]

Like I said, please condense the inte and defender cases. In my experience, they're VERY easy to wagon.

[ActionDan]

D3f3nd3r's ISO looks pretty bad. He is staying out of all discussions, and just popping in small bits of info that is not very useful here and there. He seemed to want to get on Derpy, Shotgun wagon by asking others for reasons to get on them.

ActionDan's ISO is equal in numbers and he looks pretty detached too.

Wat?

Do you consider yourself much involved?
Well, look who's talking, though.

I may have as many posts as Defender (when you posted I guess), but your implication is that I'm "detached" like defender, when our iso's are totally different. My posts are contentful and engaged. His are not.

@Matias: Case on defender: fluff posts. Please note. It is not a case. Thank you for voting the scum

@Phil's 244: And the conclusion to this riveting tale?

[D3f3nd3r]

A person not posting doesn't indicate a damn thing of their alignment, scum NOR town.

Not posting itself doesn't indicate your alignment. It all depends on what you post. As scum, not posting makes you less likely to make a scumslip, so it is a good strategy. As town, it is surprisingly helpful to lurk as a player not very good with strategy, because you are less likely to be suspected as scum.

As I've said before, I'm not amazing with strategy, so I lurk, for the most part.

Lurking itself is not scummy, but all the "OMG lurking is scumtell" people have made it seem scummy.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm gonna ISO Matias and ActionDan. They're the least common posters here other than me, so let me see what they look like.

ActionDan:
8: RVS Vote. Null.
62: Looking at early wagons. Votes a guy joining a wagon. Slightly scummy, as he was the 4th vote on the wagon.
82: Post makes no sense in context. Null.
169: Prod dodge. Null.
175: Basic reads and a vote based on a quote three pages in. Town.
183: V/LA Notice. Null.
212: Just fluff. Not "scummy fluff," just fluff. Slightly scum.
221: Defense. Either side.
261: More defense. Slightly scum, for a reason below.

Action, at first you thought I was null, then in 212 you defended me, then you started going against me in 261. Odd.

I'm reading slightly town on you, but it's really close to null.

Matias:
6: RVS vote. Null.
74: Questioning another about lynching a townie with an anti-town PR. Town.
176: Prod dodge, V/LA. Null.
211: Prod dodge. Null.
255-257: Reads. I won't complain with his reads on Inte and Pine. Slightly town.
259: Addressed in 262.
260: Wanting to learn about the cases for me and Inte. According to what someone said about the early wagons, that means he wants on.

I'm getting a town read here. I'm not getting a great read here, but I've got a feeling.

[Apple Jack]

A person not posting doesn't indicate a damn thing of their alignment, scum NOR town.

Not posting itself doesn't indicate your alignment. It all depends on what you post. As scum, not posting makes you less likely to make a scumslip, so it is a good strategy. As town, it is surprisingly helpful to lurk as a player not very good with strategy, because you are less likely to be suspected as scum.

As I've said before, I'm not amazing with strategy, so I lurk, for the most part.

Lurking itself is not scummy, but all the "OMG lurking is scumtell" people have made it seem scummy.

first lurking IS scummy, but it isn't a scumtell since town and scum both do it. There is no need for town to lurk though, If town didn't lurk, than it would be easier to find scum. Scum like to lurk because they already know who the scum is and it's kind of hard to "fake" scum hunting.

secondly, what does you strategy have to do with anything? I suck at strategy also, but that doesn't stop me from questioning things that seem off to me.

for example 73, 180, 233


but actually thanks for making me do that, it reminds me that you never actually addressed my question to you in post 73. (ignoring questions is yet another example that is considered scummy play)

so please answer my question, why do you need other people to convince you to change your vote. do you not have a mind of your own?

[Phillammon]

@Dan: Still working on it. Sorry.

[inte]

defender wanna state some other reads other than unreadable people at this point? (except Dan is pretty towny)

[inte]

hmm can we say Pine is town for now and release the attention that is directed towards him?

[D3f3nd3r]

Derpy, the wagons seemed off to me. I wanted to know if there was a reason to it.

Sorry.

[inte]

being a milk sucker is scummy

[ActionDan]

V/LA

over weekend

[Code_X]

Unvote 1: Matias

Like his 256.

Still not read the rest of the game - and won't for another 12 hours as just done a night shift.

[Code_X]

Though just quickly. Something bugs me ..

Derpy you said

My Vote on Code is staying until I see something of value come from him.

I said

Um. I've not a lot to say. Need to re-read really. I do hate day ones!

Then in 253 you've done an about turn and voted Fitz/Defender

Was that one line really enough to move your vote?

[drmyshotgun]

being a milk sucker is scummy

I don't get what you are saying here.

@Dan: Still working on it. Sorry.

I ask again: Do you have any suspects in mind?

@Mod: I demand votecount and whip (I mean, prod) some of these slaves back to work.

Vote2: Havingfitz[/vote]

[Matias]

The case on defender is JUST that he's posting fluff? Because I don't really see that.

I will be analyzing that wagon as well.