Mini 1348- Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga Mafia (Game Over)


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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:55 pm

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Because we're smart enough to recognize there was no point to it.
Either call it a towntell or a scum tell and react to it like that - or go do something useful with your posting time and scumhunt elsewhere.
Those are your options.
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:47 pm

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Votecount 1.24

Yates - 5 (Slandaar, Benmage, Acosmist, iDanyboy, Agent_Ireland)
Acosmist - 1 (mcqueen)
Agent_Ireland - 2 (snifit, JohnnyFarrar)
snifit - 2 (BK201, PeregrineV)
iDanyboy - 2 (Yates, Thor665)

Not voting - (MagnaofIllusion)

PeregrineV is V/LA until Tuesday.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 1 AM EST on July 11, 2012.
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:56 pm

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pappums rat wrote:
snifit - 2 (BK201, PeregrineV)

Seriously guys?
You either need to start selling the hell out of that case or get off the wagon - that is town right there.
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:56 pm

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I think Danyboy is town, but he wouldn't be an awful lynch. I'd be willing to move there for deadline. I think Agent_Ireland is a better choice.
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:33 am

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OK OK SORRY I BEEN AWAY IM NOT GETTING REPLACED CAUSE I IS HERE NOW

SORRY FOR DAT
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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:51 am

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UNVOTE: since we have time, still would probably lynch Yates today, Thor and snifit seem like good choices until I get caught up and nail scum.
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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:03 am

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Thor665 wrote:
Acosmist wrote::facepalm:

He said GOKU SHOULD NOT COUNTERCLAIM

He said he though Goku was a PR too, so...derp? What's the issue exactly?


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Guys, Thor and Yates are terrible mafia players? Is that the logic of not immediately lynching them? Because that's interesting.
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:34 am

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So I ISOed both Slandaar and Yates. It wasn’t a highly detailed extensive note-talking affair and I didn’t do much context reading but I did enough to be happy with where I think I should vote. Slandaar looks very typically like I expect Town Slandaar to look. I don’t agree with any number of his ideas but he’s conveying them exactly as I expect.

Yates on the other hand has made some posts that don’t sit well with me. The sarcastic response to Slandaar in where he straw-mans that Slandaar could properly read him and tries to suggest that Slandaar is suggesting a 4 person scum team is exactly the kind of thing I would expect from Yates-scum.

Yates wrote:Am I wrong in thinking Goku is likely a PR? If not, am I wrong in thinking real Goku might not want to counter claim?


Well you are outguessing the Mod on the first portion so that’s neither here nor there. But you are dead wrong on the second portion. Town Power Roles are doing their job if they trade their roles 1 for 1 with scum. Doing better than that is just icing on the cake.

Not considering that Slandaar could be actually telling the truth about his claim (he only considers scum or lying PR) in is scummy. What possible reason would hypo-Power Role Slandaar have to lie about being VT. That’s terrible since it would just open him up to being lynched since VTs are unproveable claims. No reason for it at all. Either he’s a VT like he claimed or he is scum with a Goku fake-claim. Which also makes little sense that he wouldn’t as scum using a Goku fake-claim come up with a better role than VT. When he claimed VT the Town response would have been “Whelp lynch away. No reason to keep scummy Slandaar around since he is a VT”. Yet that was not your reaction. Your reaction to was to jump into ‘outguess the Mod” circles.

VOTE: Yates

You are a claimed VT. The day has drug on too long. You need rope at this point.

Furthermore this from sets my gut afire –

iDanyboy - this is the scummiest person on my wagon. Do an ISO. It's stupid. I see literally no Town motivation in ANY of his posts.

Agent_Ireland - AI looks stupid. It's that simple. I can never get good reads on stupid people. Stupid people always look scummy to me because I can't understand anything they post. Honestly, I kind of hope he gets nked so I don't have to deal with him.


iDany is a VI. His play is pretty much universally terrible regardless of alignment (in the only game I have seen him as scum he got Force-replaced (yes, it’s a pun it was a Star Wars game) for talking outside the thread with a Town VT). Yet he is ‘scummy’. Yet Agent Ireland gets the VI shield. It’s inconsistent and there is no explanation I can see as to why. Given some of his other interactions I smell possible partners between AI and Yates if Yates is scum.


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So I’m not full reading the thread at this stage. I’ll do so overnight and get re-oriented (if I survive to morning) after we get a lynch.

The back and forth between Thor and Benmage regarding Benmage’s meta on page 31 hurts my head. Benmage Town is active. It has nothing to do with “fits and flurries”. Town Benmage does not have less posts than the Mod. In A Feast of Crows Mafia part of his defense of himself near endgame was that he was the most active poster and as Town he is such. Hell looking at the activity in the piece that was left he is far and away the most active.

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Agent Ireland wrote: Based on the show, King Kai did have all the information on everyone that they fought through the series. If there is no counterclaim, I'll buy it.


So you didn’t unvote here even though you thought that the claim valid flavor wise. Why was that?

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Thor wrote: Yates wagon I am against and feels derp.


Yates flips scum and Thor is a great lynch.

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BK201 wrote: reactions. I don't know what to make of the results, but maybe later I will if/when Snifit flips.


So you did it as a reaction test without any notion of what reactions would be indicative of Scum?
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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:40 am

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Acosmist wrote:
Thor665 wrote:
Acosmist wrote::facepalm:

He said GOKU SHOULD NOT COUNTERCLAIM

He said he though Goku was a PR too, so...derp? What's the issue exactly?


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Actually, no, I'm not saying anything of that sort and you are kinda dumb for saying I am. Please reference Post 752 where I spell out the logic I'm talking about and then explain how that's bad logic. This is another example of the Yates case being dumb - half of you espousing it are misrepping his actual stance.
I'm sorry I see through your fakeclaim - you can always fake a guilty on me tomorrow and maybe try to help your scumbuddies a bit - a me for you I might be all about and then we can both be happy with a 1 for 1 exchange, huzzah for us!

Acosmist wrote:Guys, Thor and Yates are terrible mafia players? Is that the logic of not immediately lynching them? Because that's interesting.

That is interesting. Is that your logic for why we ARE scummy?
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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:49 am

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Yates stance is that I am scum but he is willing to keep me around till LYLO then lynch

I mean the logic involved is ridiculous.

I probably won't get nk at least for a couple days as I am VT.
so, lets pretend Yates is town, he thinks by saying he will lynch me in lylo if I live that long scum are going to nk me ever? also note, if hes town I am basically tunneling him at this point... again meaning he should realise I wont get nk very often/early.
Its actually ludicrous. Hes just setting up mislynches which was my whole original issue with him.
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:07 am

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Slandaar wrote:Yates stance is that I am scum but he is willing to keep me around till LYLO then lynch

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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:12 am

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Yates wrote:
Slandaar - VT claim is easiest claim for scum
. I guess based on his character claim he get's some extra rope but if he gets to MYLO, he's scum. Period. For now, let's pretend he's Town.
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:30 am

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That is not really saying what you are saying it's saying.
I would find you suspicious in LYLO/MYLO too - does that mean I'm also scum?

Newsflash - no claim is safe in LYLO/MYLO, that's the way the game is played, why does saying that out loud make him scummy exactly?
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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:11 am

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Thor665 wrote:
Newsflash - no claim is safe in LYLO/MYLO, that's the way the game is played, why does saying that out loud make him scummy exactly?

That is not what he said.

He is saying it about my claim only (not Acos) and that in his mind I am confscum in said scenario

He is not saying it in a general way like you are, hes being very specific.
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:13 am

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Thor665 wrote:Newsflash - no claim is safe in LYLO/MYLO, that's the way the game is played, why does saying that out loud make him scummy exactly?


Well then why go to the point of saying it at all if it is superfluous posting? If that is indeed the case it's Yates padding his post in an attempt to pretend he has a position specifically about Slandaar when he doesn't at all.
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:21 am

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@MoI - that would at least be a sensible accusation based on his actions, though I disagree - a lot of the game is people saying things that don't always need to be said and I don't see that one as particularly paddish.

@Slandaar - He has answered that accusation in a manner that seems plausible and holds internal consistency with his reason for wanting you dead - why do you not like his answer?
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:27 am

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Thor665 wrote:@MoI - that would at least be a sensible accusation based on his actions, though I disagree - a lot of the game is people saying things that don't always need to be said and I don't see that one as particularly paddish.


Well then we are back to his reaction to the Goku VT claim when he was voting and pushing Slandaar as scum. His reaction IMO is not one of Town. He didn't go "VT claim, no reason not to lynch" which is the only proper reaction to a VT claim from a scum candidate you have. Nope ... he began spinning lines of argument about how he thought Slandaar was lying when it made no sense for Town PR Slandaar to lie about his role at L-2.

I really don't see that as Town.
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:31 am

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mcqueen wrote:
Acosmist wrote:King Kai, Town Cop

hey, mcqueen! We'll get to you soon. Thanks for reminding us how scummy you've been, though. But, you know, YATES and THOR and stuff. Dudes have been terrible all game!

I'm going to ask you this, and I want you to answer it, without adding in your read about me.

What was your read on MattP?


So McQueen ... why didn't you unvote the claimed Cop? I'm also interested in your input on this ...
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:43 am

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Thor665 wrote:
@Slandaar - He has answered that accusation in a manner that seems plausible and holds internal consistency with his reason for wanting you dead - why do you not like his answer?

What answer are you talking about?

He holds consistency thats the problem, its all wrong.

He thinks a nameclaim counter doesnt happen but a copcounter does?

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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:59 am

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@Slandaar - in Post 710 he explained his difference of attitude towards the two claims and why he found one more inherently credible. You specific accusation you just brought up was your issue of why he brought it up about your claim and not Acos. I don't want to re-tread ground unless you have a new issue there.

I can agree with an issue of thinking it's silly he thinks a nameclaim counter wouldn't happena nd a cop claim would but...how does that make him scum as opposed to just derp?

@MoI - eh, if you want to go to that extreme, I suppose. I just don't see why scum would bring up WIFOM about a role being a PR when the role hadn't claimed as such. You're accusing him of rolefishing here? Also, with a major character claim I do see fluff related reasons to back off even if you think a player is scum. If I was in Superman Mafia and someone claimed Superman and wasn't countered - even if I thought they were scummy I wouldn't lynch them Day 1 just on the principle of that logic alone. Yates' stance makes sense to me, and I'm town, so I tend to be leery of everyone screeching about how ridonkulous of a town standpoint it is and that it must be scummy. I think people are making a case based on poor play and calling it scummy - and that's rarely a good lynch reason and it's about half of the reasoning I use when I'm scum trying to lynch someone...so.
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:01 am

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Thor665 wrote:If I was in Superman Mafia and someone claimed Superman and wasn't countered - even if I thought they were scummy I wouldn't lynch them Day 1 just on the principle of that logic alone


Let me clarify this bit ... if you were in Superman Mafia and someone claimed Superman VT you would not lynch them regardless of how scummy you found them?
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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:03 am

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Day 1 without a name counterclaim?
No, I really wouldn't.

There re invariably more than one scum, and even with a scum read there is enough outguessing mod logistics for me to want to avoid that as the info lynch of the day.
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:06 am

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Well I'll just chock this up to you either being scum with Yates or us having extremely different views on how the game should be properly played.

Anyway moving on ...

There is about 48 hours left in the day. Anyone who wants a lynch OTHER than Yates needs to make a compelling case ASAP.
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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:10 am

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By the sheer faact the Slandaar wagon disintegrated - I'm at least not in an odd minority about the attitude. I would counter with - in that game of Superman Mafia, on Day 1, you suspect you'll have no other scum reads at all? But, yeah, maybe just playstyle - I am more bearded than you.

I'll agree the Yates train appears to be the only one and I am just championing a gut read, but iDanny is useless and the Yates wagon still makes no sense. I suspect all I'm arguing for at this stage is clarification of how against the lynch I am. It won't be of much additional use till post game, but I do like my odds for being able to mock it to a decent extent.
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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:13 am

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Thor - what are your thoughts on Agent Ireland?
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