Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[mafia-n00b]

Not just that he's posting fluff, but that he's wishy-washy. He hasn't committed to any reads; he's had no votes since RVS.

[Code_X]

Fucked up my votes earlier.

Unvote All

Vote: 1 - Phillammon

Meant to unvote 2 - Matias, did it with 1. This voting mechanism is a mare!

By my calculations Fitz has 4 votes on "Lynch 2" - reasons?

[whispersilk]

Sorry for my absence the last few days. Catching up now.

[Phillammon]

Okay. Derpy, Whisper, and to a much lesser extent Inte are showing up as my current scumreads. Tags ar a pig on this device,so no votes right now, but for reference: Erpy feels off by gut, along with some odd things, like that which I pointed out earlier, Whisper primarily for the prodding fiasco, and with inte it's partially playstyle disparity amd partially him feeling scummy, but the latte seems to always be true of my reads on inte , so I'll give some leniency there.

[havingfitz]

I'll be focusing more attention on this game. Other game requirements have relaxed for the moment so I should be able to catch up // get in gear.

^This didn't happen due to a 5 day vacation. I assume people are voting me for reasons other than being awol during a holiday period in the US.

It would appear that people are voting me fooooooor:

Mr Derpy...I blame allergies.

Nice response Code. UNVOTE: Vote2 and VOTE: 2 drmyshotgun.

scummy post. Bandwagoning hopping using Code_X as a springboard.

Unvote2: Code_X

Vote2: HavingFitz

So I unvote Code and vote someone else…and that is using him as a springboard….this from someone unvoting Code to vote me. Seems ironic.

Havingfitz - his vote on me early on was fairly weak and at first I liked his vote on n00b, however he does nothing to push his scum read and he also abandons his vote on mafia-n00b for no reason. Also on Tuesday he said he was going to pay more attention to this game but of course 2 days later nothing.

I know he is capable of more if he was town so I am fairly suspicious of this slot.

Vote2: havingfitz

I don’t push cases on other people unless I feel I have a good case on them. Which I’m not sure I’ve ever had on someone D1. So no…no pushing scum reads today. I address my Tuesday post at the start of this post. As for the bit in your quote that I bolded….WTF are you talking about? Have we ever played together? Do you know what I am capable of as town and as scum? Is this a motivational effort (?) or a poorly forced rationale for a serious vote? Why are you voting me again?

Fitz strikes me as off too. He's not scumhunting; he's agreeing with wagons and throwing around random votes.

Vote 2: havingfitz

Off from my usual me or off from how you expect other players to play? Is agreeing with wagons scummy? And iirc my only random vote was my first one. So what are you on about?

Vote2: Havingfitz[/vote]

This probably doesn’t count as a vote so you might want to do it right if you really mean it. And why are you ~trying to vote me? Meta? If the meta has anything to do with doing nothing a majority of this game then there are a lot more worthy candidates then me. So why the vote again?

Not promising more tonight but I will at the least be back in the swing tomorrow.

[chesskid3]

VC inbound in a few hours. Still looking for a backup/co mod cuz lolchesskidsobusy

[Apple Jack]

@ code, if you would have fully read post 253, I had iso'd all the lowest posters looking for people most likely to be scum lurking. I'm still null on your slot but at least you are posting and it looks like you are just pushing a PL on shotty, which means you are probably just derp town. I doubt scum would push that hard on such a bs case. (could be wrong though)


@ fitz - your lack of willingness to take a stand is why I'm voting you. You dont have to have a concrete scum read to pressure people you are suspicious of. You iso shows no real attempt at scum hunting, and a person not scum hunting is more likely to be scum or a derp town. You are too experienced to be a derp town, so with deadline approaching, putting 2 scummy useless players into a duel is win/win.

Neither of the people I'm voting for shows any signs of life or that you even care about finding scum. So in my mind, you must be scum.

[D3f3nd3r]

I'm gonna take a look at the people voting me later, but I'd like a vote count before I do, or I'd like those people voting me to tell me. I know Derpy is.

[chesskid3]

Votecount 9.1:

Phillammon: inte, ActionDan, drmyshotgun, Matias, Code_X (L-2)
Inte: havingfitz, whispersilk (L-5)
Matias: PeregrineV, mafia-n00b (L-5)
Derpy Hooves: Pine (L-6)
D3f3nd3r: Derpy Hooves (L-6)

Not voting (2): D3f3nd3r, Phillammon,

Votecount 9.2:

Pine: drmyshotgun, mafia-n00b, PeregrineV (L-4)
havingfitz: ActionDan, Derpy Hooves, Matias (L-4)
mafia-n00b: havingfitz, inte (L-5)
drmyshotgun: Pine (L-6)
D3f3nd3r: whispersilk (L-6)

Not voting (3): D3f3nd3r, Phillammon, Code_X

Deadline is 6PM EST on July 12th

PeregrineV is V/LA until Tuesday
Derpy Hooves is V/LA until the 16th
Prodding: ActionDan, inte, Pine

[ActionDan]

received prod. I thought I stated V/LA, but w/e. Ill be available tonight

[chesskid3]

I may have missed it

[havingfitz]

I may have missed it

Hmmmmm....like you did my unvote on noob? Which iirc I've already pointed out.

[mafia-n00b]

@D3f3nd3r:

VOTE SOMEONE, DAMMIT!

[D3f3nd3r]

Okay, it appears Derpy Hooves and Whispersilk are the two who voted me. Just a reminder that it may help to get your votes for me onto one vote, cause one is V1 and one is V2

Let's take a look:

Derpy Hooves:

20: Laughing at a joke.
24: More jokes and RVS.
29: Odd votes and thought of avoiding thread.
45: Question for scummy-seeming player, and admitting that he would like to be "lynched."

Called playing against win-con.

48: Correcting his votes after Whisper told him his order was off.

Slightly scum

54: Questions for Inte, whose method of scumhunting seemed wrong. Adds some (false) meta of Pine.

Slightly scummy.

63: Observing a joke from Whisper, and telling Dan that he doesn't mind having a 50% chance of being lynched.

Called playing against win-con.

73: Response to me asking about two off-seeming wagons.
96: Assuming it means what I think it does, he's supporting his and Shotty's wagons.
98: Rage at Inte, who Derpy claimed was twisting the truth about the start of Derpy's wagon.

So far he's scum. But then...

102: Apology and self-defense. Looks a little like a plead.

Towny.

Puts him back at null.

106: Saying he'll read thread.
118: Calling Inte and Code scummy for their opinions on Derpy and Shotty, and commending Shotty on a good play.
128: Jumping in to say that he liked a vote on someone who a third player questioned.

Towny, unless Code flips scum.

136: Suggests Peregrine to do what Derpy said Whisper did in 63. Claims it wasn't a joke.
180: Asks how Pere drops his vote on Derpy and moves to what another player voted.

Slightly scummy

201: Tells Pine to get back to posting so he can be read.

Town.

225: Prod dodge and V/LA notice.
228: Fluffy.
233: Denying rumors about him being prodded and that hurting how he may be town.

Somewhat scummy because of below:

...nor did I insist I'm a productive townie...

He's a rollercoaster. He's now becoming slightly scummy.

237: Reference to meta and reason he isn't posting.
243: Wanting to pressure Pine, questioning wanting a PL.
253: Of his four scumreads (me, Matias, Havingfitz, and Phil), he votes one less scummy player and one more scummy player.

Slightly scum.

254: Answering question about meta.
264: Raging about how strategy is not really that important.
281: Reading two players Derpy calls "derp town."


He changes a lot. He started off scum, then became more town, then was more scum.

I'm feeling him to be scum.

Phillammon below.

[D3f3nd3r]

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Phillammon now!

He lurks. Whenever he would be prodded, I put PROD between the two posts.

10: Humor
13: Humor
65: Not caring about early wagons
67: Speculation about fight mechanic
70: Mentions posting fluff
93: Speculation about fight mechanic (Next time you use TF2 in Mafia, put a Pyro in somewhere)
144: Not finding a part of mafia fun seems fluffy
146: Notes response, revotes
158-159: Says he cooperated with Code

PROD

204: Raging at ActionDan
208: Answers Code's old question

PROD

244: No reads
246: Unvotes after response
265: Says still thinking about a question

PROD

278: Scumreads and fluffy explanations.

Seriously, Phillammon, do better!

V1: Phillammon

Step it up, you're at L-1.

[Phillammon]

Okay. What do you want me to do? At this point I have really been doing my level best. I'll try and hold together some coherent cases at some point soonish, but it's 1 here atm, so nothing for a little while.

[D3f3nd3r]

I really want content from you, as does much of your wagon. You post too much fluff.

[inte]

Can't tell if it's a bus or what

[havingfitz]

???????????

Ok....my plan is to start from scratch and read this game through this morning.

So UNVOTE: 1

Interesting observation before I start my read ....3 of the 4 least frequent posters (aside from me) are voting me (albeit gunny's didn't count). I'd be shocked if scum wasn't in that group.

[whispersilk]

In my game with Fitz, he basically lurked the entire game and won as Scum.
He stayed out of most conversations and only did something on the last day.
What I'm seeing here is not much different to that play, so I'm leaning scum on him.
Does he play like this when he's Town as well?

I've played with fitz-scum twice, and right now I'm not seeing any similarity to his play-style in those games. He's not posting all that much, but neither is anyone else for various reasons, including myself. I think we all need to buck up a little and get the game going.

Not posting itself doesn't indicate your alignment. It all depends on what you post. As scum, not posting makes you less likely to make a scumslip, so it is a good strategy. As town, it is surprisingly helpful to lurk as a player not very good with strategy, because you are less likely to be suspected as scum.

As I've said before, I'm not amazing with strategy, so I lurk, for the most part.

Lurking itself is not scummy, but all the "OMG lurking is scumtell" people have made it seem scummy.

Lurking might not automatically make one scum, but it is scummy and of no use to the town. Town have no reason to lurk. Quit saying you suck at strategy and do some reading. Point out anything you find scummy or suspicious. Ask questions. It's the fact that when you're posting, you're just posting fluff that makes you look suspicious.

Okay. Derpy, Whisper, and to a much lesser extent Inte are showing up as my current scumreads. Tags ar a pig on this device,so no votes right now, but for reference: Erpy feels off by gut, along with some odd things, like that which I pointed out earlier,

Can you expand on this? The only thing you previously bring up with regards to derpy is his #45, which after reading, I'm not seeing anything odd. Can you also please point out the other odd things about him you mention?

Whisper primarily for the prodding fiasco,

What prodding fiasco?

[mafia-n00b]

@mod

: Prod request on drmy, Peregrine, Pine, and Matias.


"By Jupiter's Cock! I am a simple woman and I have more invested in this rebellion then you gladiators! Your manhoods are WEAK, and you can only satisfy old women!"

[mafia-n00b]

EDIT: Oh, and prod request on Code too.

[mafia-n00b]

@Phil

You're at L-1, you claimed you would put together cases soonish, but it was too late... now it's evening over there AGAIN... still nothing. You had all day. You've only given vague scumreads with no explanations AND you're not voting anyone.

Consider this my notification of intent to hammer you on Vote1. I'll give you a few hours to respond.

[Matias]

My reads are the same.

Sorry that I don't have much else to say at the moment. This Phil wagon is good.

[chesskid3]

Prodding:
Code_X, drmyshotgun

Searching for a replacement for Pine.