Mini 1348- Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Saga Mafia (Game Over)

[Benmage]

Alright cool, ponder that. I'm going to the gym.

[Yates]

There was no double talk.. you weren't clear either in your questioning.. or your understanding.....

I'm in the middle of posting my reads on everyone but had to stop to say - this post is bullshit. You absolutely played both sides of the fence in your argument. It was laughable.

[Thor665]

@Benmage - That's an interesting question, and I'll admit I'm not sure. Probably a dismissal of the derp side wagon on you plus pressure and continued scumhunting would have left me feeling more unsure as opposed to less. I can't assure it'd change my mind, as I get quite bull-headed, but it would have played to my uncertainties more.

But you flipping out and also acting like you were doomed lynch and throwing out your last desperate advice from death's door? First off, you should be experienced enough to feel how strong (or not) a given wagon is. Secondly, you're certainly experienced enough to not be frothing in much fear of it even if it is coming. Your reactions seems strongly out of sorts to the gamestate as currently stands. I feel your pressure (making up abstract numbers here) is at a 5 but you're reacting at around level 9, and that feels more likely from annoyed scum than annoyed town to me.

[Yates]

My first post in the game, Acosmist was at L-1. The fact that Acosmist is all but confirmed Town reinforces my early belief that scum was on his wagon.

This was my summary at the time:

- I gave dicknose/MoI slot a pass for RVS vote.
- Benmage - the "/srs?" was suspect even back in my very first post.
- Thor - said it wasn't a "lulz" vote and wanted to get a reaction out of Acosmist.
- Psyche/sniffit - this is the second vote that I couldn't find a reason for. Also, he never told us Acosmist's "scum slip" and the fake dayvig thing was terrible.
- BK - why did you run this up to 5 so fast? This looks like more of a legit pressure vote [based on later posts] but what did you hope to get out of this play?
- MattP/mcqueen - Seriously? You put him at L-1 just like that?? I haven't even had time to erect my morning hard on and you already put a player at L-1??

This gave me the idea to look at the rest of the Day's major wagons.

Here's the Slandaar wagon as of 527:
- Me
- *Benmage
- *dicknose/MoI
- *Psyche/sniffit
- *Thor

Here's the Acosmist wagon version 2 as of 677:
- *Me
- **Thor
- *mcqueen/MattP
- **sniffit/Psyche
- JohnnyFarrar

Now I look at my wagon as of post 952:
- Slandaar -
- Acosmist -
- **Benmage -
- **dicknose/MoI -
- Agent_Ireland -

I will admit that it isn't a *perfect* system. However, I do find it telling that Ben and MoI were on 3 of the 4 major wagons and they are two of my stronger suspicious suspects.

I was kind of bummed to see Thor and sniffit show up in 3/4 as well as it lessens the impact of my findings. I have Thor as obvTown so I'm not sure how to reconcile that other than to consider it an outlier. I also have sniffit as a strong Town read that turned the Psyche slot around so I'll chalk that up to poor play by Psyche?

Acosmist is obvTown at this point.

I will begrudgingly admit that there is a good chance Slandaar is Town BUT I'm not ruling out the fakeclaim and I would want to see some flavor flips. Still, he wouldn't be in my top 2 [or 3] suspects pool as of today.

BK has been playing solid Town [except for 955 - I'll get there].

I <3 PV so... yeah. I'll always have him as a solid Town read until he does something super dumb.

JohnnyFarrar is either Town or scum buddying me [knowing I'll be a mislynch]. When he posts content I agree [especially 561 and 677!] with just about everything he says and understand his logic. This is why I don't understand the people willing to vote JF. What's the case on him? I can't see anything scummy - AT ALL.

I didn't like MattP but mcqueen's 646 was good. Meh. I guess he could be scum but MattP was starting to get Townish and mcqueen is continuing that trend. Maybe null to null Town?

AI is either VI or terrible scum. Either way, he's terrible. I'm glad he's being replaced as it will make that slot an easier read, I feel. I have him as scummy,

iDanny was scum. Syndrome improved the slot with 831 and 862. The attempts at humor feel fabricated, though, and weaken his position. Then 926 comes back with a strong post. Then his next posts are super weak. I agree that he might want to consider replacing out and playing in Road to Rome if he can't stay strong on his own. That kind of play [like AI] makes a slot hard to filter through. I have him as poor Town with an outside shot at being scum.

So my scum list in order from most to least likely?
Ben
AI
MoI
iDanny
Slandaar
Then pond scum
Then the ocean
Then whale poop
Then JohnnyFarrar

[snifit]

Vote: Benmage

Thor is reasonable. Yates is town.
I'm off to work. Won't be able to post again.

[Thor665]

That was the sound of the other shoe dropping.

[Benmage]

@Benmage - That's an interesting question, and I'll admit I'm not sure. Probably a dismissal of the derp side wagon on you plus pressure and continued scumhunting would have left me feeling more unsure as opposed to less. I can't assure it'd change my mind, as I get quite bull-headed, but it would have played to my uncertainties more.

This is a town response. Scum would've probably responded all hotheaded, and after my flip been like he did it himself for being a derp... or some shit like that.

But you flipping out and also acting like you were doomed lynch and throwing out your last desperate advice from death's door? First off, you should be experienced enough to feel how strong (or not) a given wagon is. Secondly, you're certainly experienced enough to not be frothing in much fear of it even if it is coming. Your reactions seems strongly out of sorts to the gamestate as currently stands. I feel your pressure (making up abstract numbers here) is at a 5 but you're reacting at around level 9, and that feels more likely from annoyed scum than annoyed town to me.

This is a fail response. How the FUCK IS THIS NOT CRUNCH TIME? Frothing too much? I should be Frothing more. We are MERE hours aways from a deadline. We have 1 person being replaced.

ANY SCUM can easily not respond or move their votes by writing it off as not being around by the deadline. (I.e. Johnnys nammed popped up a lot at the bottom of the screen...but nothing, scum qt must be interesting)

I'm (or was) tied at L-2. Verse a STALLED wagon. Where mine had derp votes galore. WHEN THE FUCK IS THE TIME TO FROTH? You call it a 5... ITS A FUCKING 10. Because people might not be around by the deadline. Can you guarantee everyone here? Nope.

[Benmage]

There was no double talk.. you weren't clear either in your questioning.. or your understanding.....

I'm in the middle of posting my reads on everyone but had to stop to say - this post is bullshit. You absolutely played both sides of the fence in your argument. It was laughable.

This is you having no idea what you're talking about.

There was no argument. So there's nothing to fence sit. There question regarding my meta and I went about explaining it fully.

Again. No argument. Nothing to fence sit.

You fail.

[Benmage]

All 978 did was illustrate your wagon/VCA anaylsis failure... and that you PoE'd some town reads...

Okk....

[Benmage]

Vote: Benmage

Thor is reasonable. Yates is town.
I'm off to work. Won't be able to post again.

Oh look another awesomely well explained vote.... oh wait... make that 4 bullshit votes.

This is going to be one of the worst site lynches in awhile. GJ town. (And yes there's no alternative because of the deadline.. so towns derped regardless)

WAIT Can I froth now Thor???

Is it crunch time yet?

When would it be? Twilight? (awesomelogicThor) (again) Get better.

[Benmage]

The Benmage counterwagon looks pretty damn desperate. I don't see it. Can anyone make it not look awful to me?
Pretty tired right now and not thinking very clearly. Looks like the A_I wagon is a no go and I don't want to lynch Yates or Benmage. I'll be able to check in once more before deadline. Willing to compromise and make a shit vote to lynch Yates if necessary though.

Guess he meant benmage.. or was convinced... Or or scum just needing to vote.

[Benmage]

Oh cool, everyones conveniently gone...

Rule 7: When a player has a majority of people voting for them, they will be lynched. Voting for no lynch for the day is also possible. If no one gains a majority during a day, there will be no lynch for the day, and night will begin.

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[Yates]

...scum qt must be interesting

Did you just scum slip that you have day chat?

[Benmage]

Yep. Be that dense.

What could you possibly be asking with the "?"

[Benmage]

Either you think I slipped. Which wouldn't be a question.

Or you could think with an IQ over 40, not out rule the possibility of daychat (especially since its becoming more and more and MORE popular, and even morso among theme).

[JohnnyFarrar]

Honestly yates, I facepalm every time I read "Scumslip"

[Benmage]

^Thats because there was a MD discussion that outlined that 'slips' or perceived 'slips' are more often to come from town because they think less when they post about the circumstances of said post.

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yates

I will not have a Benmage lynch.

[Yates]

Honestly yates, I facepalm every time I read "Scumslip"

Meh. I was needling him. It felt good considering I was dead man walking and he is my main suspect and got digs in at me. However...

Or you could think with an IQ over 40, not out rule the possibility of daychat (especially since its becoming more and more and MORE popular, and even morso among theme).

I don't know how true this statement is. I was only scum twice [replaced in to both] and I don't recall having day chat in either.

PE: No. See above.

[BK201]

I believe that is L-1. Ben is also on L-1 but Snifit decided to leave that out.

[BK201]

I'm so sure of my reads right now I wish we could just no-lynch today, but I doubt yall will listen to me as mafiascummers are set on day 1 lynching. Sometimes its best not to.

[Benmage]

Or you could think with an IQ over 40, not out rule the possibility of daychat (especially since its becoming more and more and MORE popular, and even morso among theme).

I don't know how true this statement is. I was only scum twice [replaced in to both] and I don't recall having day chat in either.

PE: No. See above.

Theme'd games? How long ago?

[Yates]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yates

I will not have a Benmage lynch.

This is a bad vote on numerous levels.

Tell you what, I'd be willing to 1 vs 1 Ben. If he flips Town, I will self vote and make this game super easy.

[Benmage]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yates

I will not have a Benmage lynch.

This is a bad vote on numerous levels.

Tell you what, I'd be willing to 1 vs 1 Ben. If he flips Town, I will self vote and make this game super easy.

This is the worst post to ever come from town. EVER.

You're saying if I FLIP FUCKING TOWN. You will help give scum another MISLYNCH (assuming your town)

ARE UF UCKING KDIDING ME.

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yates

I will not have a Benmage lynch.

This is a bad vote on numerous levels.

Tell you what, I'd be willing to 1 vs 1 Ben. If he flips Town, I will self vote and make this game super easy.

We all know these day 1 1v1 proposals never pan out. Shit always happens or it AtE's us enough that we don't execute it.

if both you and ben switch your vote to No Lynch I will too. It really is the best plan.